2006-03-23, 11:10 | Link #23 |
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South Park / Scientology debate
Does anyone on these forums (who live in the USA that is) watch south park and follow the whole controvery with Issac Hayes (Chef) walking off the cast of the show over the ep 'Trapped in the Closet) where the show butches and tears apart L Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology.
The season 10 premiere ep aired last night (again in USA) mere weeks after this all hit the media and they do yet again a brutal sendoff to Chef's character and slam Scientology yet again, except they never use the word 'scientology' once in the show and refer to it as 'The Super Adventure Club'. I thought the whole treatment was harsh yet hilarious, any thoughts? Ed |
2006-03-23, 11:18 | Link #24 |
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I've heard about it, not followed it though.
Scientology is stupid, it deserves to be insulted. Isaac Hayes should have been more understanding too, working on South Park for all these years he would have been aware of what the show does to people and on occasion religion. |
2006-03-23, 11:20 | Link #25 |
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What makes it all even more crazy, it that "Trapped in the closet" had actually aired before and no one made a fuss. This was to be a repeat airing that caused all the controversy.
They make fun of almost religion, nationality, whatever and are equal opportunity offenders. Frankly I think it is BS, that Issac Hayes suddenly got offended when it was his religion up to bat. (Although it actually wasn't so suddenly as I mentioned above.) When I heard that Chef would be back for the first ep of the new season, I hoped they would do something like that. Those guys can turn out a new episode in like a week and I say more power to them. |
2006-03-23, 11:40 | Link #26 |
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Isaac Hayes is a hypocritical sack of crap. There is no other way to explain it. "I am willing to make fun of relgions as long as they are not my own, but will cry like a girl when it happens to me".
And it IS exactly like how it was described in the episode. A while ago I was pulled aside in a mall ... and for like 15 minutes the guy was trying to show me I am stressed using this stupid device you hold in your hands. The arrow wouldn't move so the guy started to fish for question that would give me some sort of anxiety or something. "are you feeling any pressure at work?" "nope" "hmm any issues with the family?" "nope" Anyway ... at the end of it even though the free test didn't show any sign of depression no matter how hard he tried, he STILL tried to sell me the complete book package. At the time I didn't even know what scientology was ... I thought it was like a self help book they are selling at the mall. Scienentology is a big joke and was a big joke way before southpark. You don't need a shouthpark episode to make you feel like a douche. Isaac Hayes you are etenrally douchey. I seriously hate the guy right now ... how can you be any more of a hypocrit? Before he left he said "Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored,". wow ... I hope you choke. Last edited by Lexander; 2006-03-23 at 11:51. |
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And then there is this interview, which was also done AFTER that episode: Quote:
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He's into Scientology ... says he doesn't care ... yet quits the show over it and makes statements about how Southpark crossed the line this time! Actions speak louder than words. He's making a much bigger statement by leaving the show over this episode than by pretending he didn't care at all about it. If he knows that's what Matt and Trey do ... then why is he taking it so seriously himself? Once again it's a contradiction. Talking about Hayes ... "a foundation he formed to bring Scientology-based study techniques to disadvantaged inner-city schools." And this is the internet. alright. I'm not wishing actual death on anyone. I could post all kinds of outrageous things to accent my view and emotion. |
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2006-03-23, 13:53 | Link #29 |
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Well, as we all know, actions speak louder than words.
While Isaac Hayes may not have been a "hypocritcal sack of crap" when the episode first aired, he actions have discounted his words when he quit the show. I know that it was likely due to pressure from the organzation, but he still representing himself as a hypocrite. With this all over the news and Tom Cruise going on his own Scientology crusade, it is all just making my head spin that so may people believe this. I never really knew anything about it prior. *edit* DANG! You beat me Lex! Shows what I get for not previewing. >.< |
2006-03-23, 14:20 | Link #30 |
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Well according to posts on either alt.reglion.scientology or fark (can't remember which), Hayes suffered a minor stroke in January and hasn't been well since. His PR agent is probably a Scientologist and so made it on "his behalf". I can't wait to see the latest episode where Chef gets a big send off
Still it is rather ridiculous, with every attempt to try to get rid of this episode of South Park, the CoS has actually made people seek it out. To be honest, it ain't that bad and South Park have done alot worse. |
2006-03-23, 15:04 | Link #31 |
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I have no idea that they're only making a hige deal about the episode now since it first aired months ago. What a delayed reaction.
As for Issac Hayes, he's being a complete baby about this whole situation So what if they mocked his religious belief? They mocked Christianity and Judism along with many other religions, so why not his belief? He's taking a cartoon to fucking seriously and should just get over himself a live with it like the other voice actors/tresses on the show South Park who have had their religious beliefs belittled. Anyway, the reason why that episode should not be shown again should not be because of a complaint by an actor on a show, but rather because the episode sucked and it is the most shown episode of the 10th season of South Park from what I've seen. Every other time that a season 10 episode is on and not new, it's that episode. Seriously, I've seen it aired like 5 freaking times already. It wasn't even a funny episode the first time it was aired, so what makes them think that it will be funny after watching that damn episode for the 5th time that month? Christ. Compared to most episodes, "Trapped in the Closet" is one of the less offensive mockery's of a belief. There are many episodes far more controversial than that one (and better, too). In short: Issac Hayes is a whiny douche-bag, "Trapped in the Closet" is far more tame compared to most episodes of South Park, and the episode itself sucks. |
2006-03-23, 16:17 | Link #32 |
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I thought the episode was hilarious; though it had it's very dull moments. On the other hand though, you're totally right they've made fun of other stuff way worse than this (the episode were they told every religion except mormonism that they were wrong and therefore they were going to hell comes to mind). Besides, the episode had already been aired many many times it's silly to make fun of it now. And why is Tom Cruise getting all pissy about it anyway, now his religion is unique in that no one can talk shit about it; if that's the case then he should have thought about it before he joined a religion that just screams to be made fun of. Personally i don't really care, he can believe in whatever he wants, that's his business (even if it is really really really stupid) my problem is that because now he belongs to the latest hollywood fad he thinks the's got a right to censore and impose his beliefs on everyone else... he can go f*** himself... not to be too harsh..... besides, isn't it time for him to come out of the closet anyway....
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It would be sad if this was true, but just because his actions didn't follow his words, doesn't mean that he was lying when he said how he felt.
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2006-03-23, 18:03 | Link #34 |
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It's not that he left Southpark that really bothers, it's his statements after leaving southpark.
I would have had no problem if Isaac Hayes just left southpark without telling everyone about why he is leaving. He believes in Scientology that much, then it's not our place to judge. He left with a bang! It could be that he is not being hypocritical ... but it sure looks that way. The only reason why this episode is being singled out is because of Isaac Hayes and his church. He became their weapon against southpark. I just see him as a backstabber. It's bascially Scientology Vs Free Speech and for some god forsaken reason Scientology won ... |
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But still ... it's censorships. Even if it's one episode. It's a matter of principle for me. I probably shouldn't have used all that colorful language ... but I REALLY REALLY feel Isaac Hayes didn't stand up up for South Park for all the wrong reasons. As for the episode ... I haven't seen it yet, but look forward to it Apologies for reviving an old topic. |
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