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ReaperxKingx · 2012-08-29, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It sounds like Reapers are really just diluted synthetic versions of the Leviathans.

Actually they are, especially the diluted part. Harbinger is the first "True" Reaper and probably the largest and strongest among them, was made from Leviathans. Not sure if you can consider Leviathans more advance because they seem arrogant, but they consider themselves to be. Leviathans say they are more advance and the most Apex organics to have ever lived and been around longer than the Reapers. I myself consider them more powerful than the Reapers, I think only Harbinger can give them a problem.

Rising Dragon · 2012-08-29, 22:49

The Leviathans apparently are benevolent dictators in the rule. They enslaved pretty much any race they came across, but protected them and cared for them while they had them enthralled. Better than the Protheans, I suppose...

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-08-29, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

The Leviathans apparently are benevolent dictators in the rule. They enslaved pretty much any race they came across, but protected them and cared for them while they had them enthralled. Better than the Protheans, I suppose...

I just don't see the point. ME3 has already told us that wanting the power of rights, self determination and freedom is abhorrent. That genocide is acceptable, and that it is perfectly fine to take orders from big scary people in order to survive. So why even fight the Leviathan?

The Shepard who told the Reapers to get lost is already dead. He got the refusal ending. The other Shepards would not oppose Leviathan rule.

Rising Dragon · 2012-08-29, 23:16

Yr preachin' to the converted, Vallen.

Destined_Fate · 2012-08-30, 05:14

So this DLC changes nothing. They really should have made Refuse offer a chance of victory, instead they had to stick it to the fans one last time.

npal · 2012-08-30, 05:36

So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-08-30, 07:05

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Originally Posted by npal

So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?

The original vision of the ME universe was already abandoned. So there is no surprise that now there is difficulty in attempting to extend it. In a world that doesn't make sense anymore, there is no way to create a new enemy sensibly.

npal · 2012-08-30, 07:18

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The original vision of the ME universe was already abandoned. So there is no surprise that now there is difficulty in attempting to extend it. In a world that doesn't make sense anymore, there is no way to create a new enemy sensibly.

Well, it made SOME sense, whichever of the 4 endings you picked. Adding a more powerful villain because they wrote themselves into a corner of galactic peace by the grace of God at this point is retarded and further degrades whatever value the Reapers still had. Usually you either abandon the setting altogether or just create villains from inside the known settings. Seriously, not every being born afterwards must be altruistic and without vice, nor will the interests of races (or semi-races if you picked Synthesis) never collide again. You can't play the "God villains" card more than once.

ReaperxKingx · 2012-08-30, 07:21

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Originally Posted by npal

So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?

I don't think so, I think they were trying to show what the Reapers were modeled from.

npal · 2012-08-30, 07:24

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Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

I don't think so, I think they were trying to show what the Reapers were modeled from.

And in so doing, they created a more powerful villain than the supposed godlike Reapers... eeeh...

FlareKnight · 2012-08-30, 07:38

Suppose some comical value in just seeing how bad this can all get. It's just silly at this point. How much sadder can the Reapers get?

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

So this DLC changes nothing. They really should have made Refuse offer a chance of victory, instead they had to stick it to the fans one last time.

That probably would have been best. Show this massive fleet you've assembled off.

Keroko · 2012-08-30, 14:03

... Okay, not sure how I feel about this. It just feels like... a reset to me. Like the studio went "Oh crap, we sorta kinda destroyed how mysterious the reapers are... so let's introduce these guys who are just as mysterious, but organic, and imply they're going to claim back their empire!"

It's kinda interesting I guess, but I would have liked it more if it had a bit more impact on the whole. Also, pointing out that Harbinger is the first reaper just makes the lack of Harbinger in ME3 even worse.

ReaperxKingx · 2012-08-30, 14:11

I don't think they are making Leviathans as the next villain. Not sure how they are going to create Mass Effect 4 if they are basing on that.

ScorchingFlames · 2012-09-19, 02:53

Looks like we are getting more DLC for Mass Effect 3, for the next 6 months it seems. More multiplayer content a few more single player stories, one called Omega which is probably the retake Omega DLC that most people were talking about wanting and apparently another full game. I'm not sure if they meant new entry to the Mass Effect series or entirely new game of it's own.

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2012/09/...e-dlc-and.html

Destined_Fate · 2012-09-19, 05:35

I think more people just want to see their Shepard alive at the end and given a happy ending. It sucks how all the endings were basically, how do you wanna die and never see the fruits of your labors?

Bioware would have made a killing if they just released a DLC that gave Shepard and his/her squad closure and a happy ending.

Key Board · 2012-09-19, 05:48

I think you're right

I came into ME3 knowing the stakes, and knowing that Shepard would most likely die

So it's not an issue for me, but some want a happy closure.

I reject the idea of another DLC, though.

BetoJR · 2012-09-19, 07:03

Judging by what we got from Leviathan, I'd buy more DLC like it, myself - I miss Omega.
Also, a post-game story-driven one would be just intriguing enough, for me.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-09-19, 07:10

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

I think more people just want to see their Shepard alive at the end and given a happy ending. It sucks how all the endings were basically, how do you wanna die and never see the fruits of your labors?

Bioware would have made a killing if they just released a DLC that gave Shepard and his/her squad closure and a happy ending.

At the very least that is not my issue.

My issue is that the ending completely invalidates the Quarian/Geth war. Regardless of what Shepard does, he is told that the Quarians are the one in the right and that he has no say in it.

Shepard lost his dignity in the ME3 ending. He wasn't even allowed to die on his own terms, at least not until the refuse ending was inserted. The ME3 ending suggest that the universe is better off if Shepard died on Eden Prime.

Destined_Fate · 2012-09-19, 08:11

Makes sense since even in Refuse and you lose the war the next Generation wins no matter what by accepting the Reapers proposal.

It's really sad that the only way to beat the Reapers is if they let you win and you agree with their choices.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-09-19, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Makes sense since even in Refuse and you lose the war the next Generation wins no matter what by accepting the Reapers proposal.

It's really sad that the only way to beat the Reapers is if they let you win and you agree with their choices.

It's just sad... That after three games, Shepard is told that he wasted his time. Everything he worked for is for naught, because it is canon that he can't beat the Reapers at all.

A weird message to send, isn't it? It would be like reaching the final castle as Mario, only to have him fall on his knees against Bowser, and Princess Peach was lost forever.

2012-08-29, 22:49	Link #3442
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	The Leviathans apparently are benevolent dictators in the rule. They enslaved pretty much any race they came across, but protected them and cared for them while they had them enthralled. Better than the Protheans, I suppose... __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Yr preachin' to the converted, Vallen. __________________

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npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing? __________________

2012-09-19, 05:48	Link #3456
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	I think you're right I came into ME3 knowing the stakes, and knowing that Shepard would most likely die So it's not an issue for me, but some want a happy closure. I reject the idea of another DLC, though. __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2012-08-30, 05:14	Link #3445
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	So this DLC changes nothing. They really should have made Refuse offer a chance of victory, instead they had to stick it to the fans one last time.

2012-08-30, 14:03	Link #3452
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	... Okay, not sure how I feel about this. It just feels like... a reset to me. Like the studio went "Oh crap, we sorta kinda destroyed how mysterious the reapers are... so let's introduce these guys who are just as mysterious, but organic, and imply they're going to claim back their empire!" It's kinda interesting I guess, but I would have liked it more if it had a bit more impact on the whole. Also, pointing out that Harbinger is the first reaper just makes the lack of Harbinger in ME3 even worse.

2012-08-30, 14:11	Link #3453
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	I don't think they are making Leviathans as the next villain. Not sure how they are going to create Mass Effect 4 if they are basing on that.

2012-09-19, 02:53	Link #3454
ScorchingFlames Jack of Blades Join Date: Apr 2010	Looks like we are getting more DLC for Mass Effect 3, for the next 6 months it seems. More multiplayer content a few more single player stories, one called Omega which is probably the retake Omega DLC that most people were talking about wanting and apparently another full game. I'm not sure if they meant new entry to the Mass Effect series or entirely new game of it's own. http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2012/09/...e-dlc-and.html

2012-09-19, 05:35	Link #3455
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	I think more people just want to see their Shepard alive at the end and given a happy ending. It sucks how all the endings were basically, how do you wanna die and never see the fruits of your labors? Bioware would have made a killing if they just released a DLC that gave Shepard and his/her squad closure and a happy ending.

2012-09-19, 08:11	Link #3459
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Makes sense since even in Refuse and you lose the war the next Generation wins no matter what by accepting the Reapers proposal. It's really sad that the only way to beat the Reapers is if they let you win and you agree with their choices.