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10: Amazing... | 3 | 7.50% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 9 | 22.50% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 9 | 22.50% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 5 | 12.50% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 7 | 17.50% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 3 | 7.50% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 2 | 5.00% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 2 | 5.00% | |
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2012-07-06, 17:56 | Link #101 | |
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Then you started to have this idea I accused you of advocating genocide. I didn't. [snip] I have an opinion on the series. You don't recognize it as an opinion it is your own fault. Last edited by monir; 2012-07-07 at 15:47. Reason: Please don't resort to name calling and personal attack |
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2012-07-06, 19:39 | Link #102 | |
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His people don't have a lot of time...hell even he doesn't have a lot of time and I'm pretty sure Zanald isn't the only one that's probably itching to just go full out which would ruin his "testing" plans. |
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2012-07-07, 16:43 | Link #104 | |
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Look at Anakin in Star Wars, he Slaughtered an Entire village of Sand People for the death of his mother..... |
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2012-07-07, 17:05 | Link #106 | ||
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How many orphans and widowers has he made ever since he began his war against the Earth sphere? There's no way Flit is the only one who sees the Vagans as inhumane given what they've been doing (blowing up cities, gunning down civilians, etc.) And to top it off he states that he's doing it to test the Earthlings to see if they have the will to live. In other words, he's delaying a war that's costing lives on both sides and while the Earthlings don't have a disease killing them, the Vagans hardly have time on their side. It's like beating up a kid on the street because his great great great grandfather abandoned your great great great grandfather and he doesn't even know who the hell you are or why your even doing it and your only excuse is, "cause I want you to see if you have the will to live?" That's just bat**** crazy. That or the disease isn't as bad as it is since there's supposingly millions of them and they've been able to shrug off heavy battle casualties for over 60 years plus the deaths caused by the disease. Quote:
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2012-07-07, 17:37 | Link #107 |
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Yeah that's not the best of examples, considering you know, his whole becoming Palpatine's apprentice, falling to the darkside, slaughtering everyone in the Jedi temple, and breaking Padme's heart, etc, etc.
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2012-07-07, 18:52 | Link #108 |
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I don't think anyone is calling Flit a genocidal maniac. But we do know that his hatred is very extreme (no one's doubting WHY he feels that way btw), and the thought of "wiping them all out" has occurred to him more than once, and he has stated this to be his intent. I'm not calling him a cruel bastard, but lets not forget the facts here. Flit is no hero of peace.
Also, I don't think anyone is saying that Ezelcant's behavior is perfectly fine. I don't think anyone is taking his cruelty towards earthers into question. |
2012-07-07, 19:27 | Link #109 | |||||
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Reading this forum is fun and painful. Lurking for 38 episodes, had to create an account.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship Wikipedia please. There are other cases of dictators being arguably benevolent, for example Nebuchadnezzar II, King David and if you want a more modern example, Jigme Singye Wangchuck, who insisted on democracy but the people rather have stability. Quote:
The only way for countries like africa to get adequate supply of antiretrovirals to properly treat its people is to attack america and plunder the resources by themselves. After all the amount of money the UN is throwing, it doesn't seem to be enough, but there is always enough up north, with private consultations on the many different types of antiretrovirals. Quote:
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2012-07-07, 20:27 | Link #111 |
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Again, I bring up Kim Jong Il the 2nd
His people were HAPPY to be under his rule His citizens didn't know what they are missing. He controls all the information that comes in North Korea. They don't know that most of the resources goes to the military and to bribe top officials while the rest live in poverty. Or maybe they know, but they have been brainwashed to accept it as something good. They looked up to him as some kind of prophet. Heck they grieved for days when he died. Now, Ezelcant doesn't seem like a Saddam Husein archetype. (rule by fear), but does seem pretty similar to a Kim Jong Il archetype (rule by cult/information manipulation)
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2012-07-07, 20:36 | Link #112 |
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I think that if something like that were actually the case, Key, then it would've been depicted during Kio's stay there. But there was no focus on anything like that, so there's absolutely nothing to say that that's what Ezelcant is doing to his people.
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2012-07-07, 20:39 | Link #113 |
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We know that what he wants and what he tells his people might not be the same
What he tells his people: We will reclaim Earth for ourselves and improve our living standards What he personally believes: mankind needs to be punished, so they appreciate life more Why else did Vagan launch a campaign on several non- military use colonies until now? Ezelcant sees himself as a prophet with a duty to remind people of their mortality and morality But that's not the platform he is using to gain support from his people You know which Gundam character I think he is based on? Crux Dogachi He tells his people one thing, but deep inside he has a personal agenda
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2012-07-07, 20:44 | Link #114 |
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I'm sorry. Where did he say he wanted to punish mankind? Because something like that would imply that BOTH sides get punished because they, together, make up MANKIND. Unless you're saying that Ezelcant somehow views his people as sub-human or something.
He wants to test the Earthers, that much he's actually said. Let's not put words in the man's mouth, shall we?
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2012-07-07, 20:46 | Link #115 | |
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2012-07-07, 20:57 | Link #117 |
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Lets just say that unless it's actually shown that he has been misinforming or manipulating his own people, I'm just not buying it. And as long as it isn't shown, it shouldn't be stated as if it's just fact.
I'm not saying he's right in what he does or the way he does it. But from what I've seen so far, it seems that he does have his people's best interests in mind. In fact I don't really think it's that different from Flit wanting to wipe out all the Vagans to protect humanity. |
2012-07-07, 21:15 | Link #119 | |
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I'm going to quote him "I want to tell you the TRUE meaning of this war" "This is NOT merely a war" "Up until now I have given them (Earth and her forces) the chance to survive" "The people on Earth don't understand what it truly means to be alive" "I am going to test them whether or not they have the will to live or not" "I want them to show me the true value of their lives" This is his personal belief. This is what he is not telling his people.
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