2008-06-27, 19:46 | Link #2001 | |
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Orochi wanted her as his wife for some reason. And while Justice, resurrected and upgraded by NESTS Cartel, were slaughtering the whole Street fighter cast with the dark god, she was hiding in closet, wtf. And she saves the day after having... gasp... awakened her Orochi blood. Oh right, there were Nakoruru, supposedly to be related to Orochi too. (Orochi has become a running joke in KoF fandom as an excuse to explain why x or y KoF Sue is here). EDIT: Oh, and the author has an unhealthy fascination for kimonos. Dizzy always seems to be wearing one at one point of his stories. Not to mention..... "Dizzy-chan ^_^" EDIT 2: I have found the MSTs of two of this guy's Dizzy fic http://www.angelfire.com/ne/Edgey/Gu.../Msting032.txt http://www.angelfire.com/ne/Edgey/Gu.../Msting033.txt Laugh and be horrified Spoiler for Page claimed for Oujo-sama:
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2008-06-27, 20:00 | Link #2002 |
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That's a completely different case. There is canon evidence that Hayate does--or at least should--have at least passable melee skills since she's copied the spells of Nanoha, Fate, and the Wolkenritter as well as countless other mages the Wolks drained during their rampage in A's. All she has to do to round herself out is take some basic training with Signum or Vita every now and then to get the basics of actual melee combat down and her spell list--assuming she's practicing with a well-rounded spell list like she most likely will be in Comacanon--should go a great distance to doing the rest.
But Dizzy having Orochi blood? Oh come on, that's just lame, not to mention patently ridiculous.
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2008-06-27, 20:45 | Link #2003 |
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The trouble is, the nature of melee fighting means there is no such thing as merely 'passable' - you're either an expert or you're dead.
and Hayate's no expert. Power is meaningless in a melee against any opponent of real skill - they'll simply use their skills to turn it against you...of course, the reverse can also be true... hence why David, even under his limit Breaker: Catalyst, with every enhancement imaginable boosted to the very bleeding edge of what's humanly survivable, Cannot beat Signum or Fate in a melee fight - his power is worthless against someone who's skill simply let's them turn it back against itself... I strongly suspect the same would also be true of Hayate, suggesting that she either uses her power to let her survive just long enough to open up some range and cut loose, or can spam some kind of area of effect attack centered on herself that can blow away enemies (for SRW fans, think Cybuster's Cyflash) |
2008-06-27, 20:50 | Link #2004 |
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Hayate could be able to pull moves like Anubis' "Zero Shift" to escape from melee powerhouses or pixies (lol Marvel vs Capcom 2 lingo!) and get back to her favored range. Powers based on manipulation of space are not against canon, arent they?
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2008-06-27, 20:55 | Link #2005 | |||
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*prods Eva back from Crushridge*
Come on, I need more 70s for OCST in order to look vaguely like a raiding guild in future! My pally and soon to be PT'd rogue is not enough! And LE is another pally! Need Hunter to MD boss to me until Blizz decide to give me a goddamn Taunt! Quote:
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*throws Avenger's Shield at Eva, then follows with Judgement of Vengeance, Holy Shock and Crusader Strike* Burn the Errant Grammar, Kill the Typodaemon, Purge the Pointlessly-Inserted-Fanservice!!! Quote:
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2008-06-27, 20:59 | Link #2006 | |||
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Regarding Hayate having awesome melee:
Yes, she is a Mage-Knight. However, note that she is the only Belkan mage to specialise in bombardments. Her role and purpose is that of long-range artillery. IMO, and this has been discussed more than once, instead of trying to get her to level up her melee faster - and let's not forget that she was bedridded and paralysed for much of her childhood and has been stated to be physically weaker than the rest of the cast (also, note her stunted height) - what we should be doing is playing to her strenghts. Melee users are great at close range, right? She's got magic. Light the afterburners and dodge - she's flying in the sky, afterall. Hayate has all sorts of options for dealing with melee users. Trips. Binds. Long-range fire. I agree that she will need some melee, but IMO that'd be more for blocks and getting out of an opponent's reach, just enough to let her disengage and run back to range. To use a somewhat reaching analogy, in this case, rather than thinking of Hayate as a bomber, I'm thinking of her as an F-14. The Tomcat is badass, win, and pwnage, but it is not as manuverable at close range and low speed compared to the F-16 or MiG-29 or Su-27. What Tomcat pilots do is they train to shake the enemy pilot, disengage, light burners and get the reach for a missile shot, at a range where they'll do better; you can dogfight a Tomcat, but Tomcat jockeys will always attempt to open up the range where it favors them. (Especially since Tomcats - even the D never upgraded to the AIM-120 AMRAAM and were stuck with the AIM-7 Sparrow.) Quote:
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And the OFM aren't useless without their guns; they may be mostly B-ranks, but they've got skills and experience, and a good number of combat vets who cut their teeth on killing other mages. Check the Liberation of Belzac.
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2008-06-27, 21:12 | Link #2007 | ||
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Another ZoE fan! No, I'm pretty sure there's a rule against OCs having spatial/temporal manipulation abilities, but there's no rule against canon characters gaining such things! Zero Shift is an awesome idea for a step beyond Flash Move, Sheba, thank you for reminding me of it! Too bad Hayate already has Ragnarok or I could give her the Vector Cannon too... *EDIT* And no, to my knowledge there's nothing against it in canon.
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2008-06-27, 21:20 | Link #2008 | |
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KISS principle, Comar. This IMO is why lots of Kha's stuff gets derailed and drags even him down: it becomes too complicated to keep track of. Also, it's easier to justify than spatial/tempral manipulation. The M1911A1 is still used today, almost 100 years after it was designed. Revolver pistols are still used today. Bolt-action rifles will never fade away. Simpler things tend to last longer. ;D
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2008-06-27, 21:35 | Link #2010 |
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Hmmm, I'd forgotten about that.
*considers* Still, let's be honest here, people, outside of plot, just what are melee-user chances of sneaking up on Hayate? She's a flier. So long as she stays in the air she can see them coming at her and take steps to evade.
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2008-06-27, 21:43 | Link #2011 | |
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*EDIT* ...sorry, brain fart. No, it's not longer lasting nor faster charging, it's just mind-numbingly fast, even by Flash Move standards.
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2008-06-27, 21:47 | Link #2012 |
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I'd say it's actually a non issue regarding the melee skill issue.
anyone skilled enough to sneak up on Hayate is almost certainly going to be skilled enough to kill ANYONE you put in that situation, regardless of who it is or what they know. it's the opportunists that are the real issue here. And that relies on opportunity. So the best protection is to minimise the opportunities, and if they do occur, concentrate on ways to make them squander the opportunity, knowing they likely won't get another. Anyone can get fluked once. Nothing anyone can do about that. But you can keep it from happening again in the same way. |
2008-06-27, 22:00 | Link #2013 | |
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(But her magic takes time.so I think she is not suitable to close range battle) Spoiler for omake:
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2008-06-27, 22:06 | Link #2014 |
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That explains why she can use Diabolic Emission; she did inherit it from Rein Eins. And the bit about her magic "taking time" doesn't apply to Comacanon beyond standard charging times due to the de-shafting protocols.
Also for anyone who's interested, I just started my own blog.
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2008-06-27, 23:27 | Link #2015 |
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And I hereby reiterate my stand about my in-depth codices; it's just the old me with all those theories speaking.
@JINNSK: I see... Wow that's a lot of skills she has access to, including those that the Wolkies absorbed without Hayate's knowledge! Can you imagine the possibilities?! I won't be surprised if Hayate keeps pulling out spells no one has witnessed before, cloned from other magical schools! *cackles*
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2008-06-27, 23:50 | Link #2017 | ||
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As for the IS theories... current personal theory of mine is that they are not very different from rare skills except the latter uses mana for power and the former uses that unnamed power source that isn't magic and additional equipment designed to work with it. Sort of like the difference between Familiars and Guardian beasts. Quote:
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2008-06-28, 03:24 | Link #2020 |
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Who knows, Jail's probably just full of himself, or the Relics are too valuable/rare or something that wouldn't warrant doing that outside of 'emergencies'.
Anywho, I just figured out a rather funny way to have Crash gain a healthy respect (fear) he needs of Vita so that he can get all jittery in later scenes. Spoiler for Don't be fooled by outward appearances:
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