2007-10-15, 21:41 | Link #21 |
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Actually Ive have no idea how to debate against you because you're confusing me;;. Oh well its just speculation vs speculation and always someone comes up with a bigger speculation then the other previous speculation etc etc etc. I give up. I stated my point and im done. I dont like circle arguments like the ones in the Raki thread it drives me bonkers.
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Well, they aren't but they are our best references now. And even if they aren't, the actual stats wouldn't be so far from this. Quote:
I was thinking the same even before these databooks showed up. Following the logic that every time you get close to awake and go back, you become stronger, hence the superiority of the semi-awakened, the return from a complete awakening would turn Alicia each time even more stronger. So, powerful enough, Alicia can still evolve, while Riful, Easley and even Priscilla are predestined to stay on their same levels. If that's true, it would make much sense all investments, sacrifices and the time spent by the Org on these two. Quote:
Ophelia was dominated and could be dead, but even with a broken neck she managed to kill and surprise the female SS awakened been. Teresa was fooled by a cheap shot. Does that makes Priscilla stronger than Teresa? No. (Please, don't start all over again, i'm just using it as an argument) So yeah, in this way these stats aren't really exact, but it doesn't make them inexact either. Quote:
And just because there wasn't an eye in the #1 to #5 of this generation, it doesn't mean that there wasn't an eye at all. Tabitha is the "eye" of the fab 7 and she is just #31. Even without an eye so good as Galatea, a good measurement would be possible, I guess. Quote:
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Firstly, Rubel said that Priscilla unleashead all her potential when she awoke. What conflicts with Riful's statement when she left Clare, Jean and Galatea alive, so they could get stronger and awake as even more powerful awakened beens. I just believe Hilda was stronger, regardless of their ranks. (Yeah, I prefer Rifuls words, she hasn't left those 3 for no reason.) lol That's because you're only using 15% of your mental power. |
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2007-10-15, 23:51 | Link #24 | |
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So both Rubel and Riful could be correct, Rubel in that Awakening "awakens" your potential power, and Riful in that Jean and Clare could increase there power before awakening fully. and don't worry Sassarai, i'll try not to drag you into my arguements. Fenrir Valindri's stats Mental(willpower) : A
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2007-10-16, 01:08 | Link #26 |
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desire would also be considered too i would think. One who has a desire to win might do a lot better than someone who is just there because it's a job or some other so so reason. wouldn't ya think? or would you qualify that as part of moral?
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2007-10-16, 03:27 | Link #27 |
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I'm with Fenrir on the awakening and power surge topic. While Claymores (partially awakened or not) are able to increase their ability and skill levels progressively through training (partially awakened ones possible more effectively by tapping into a greater portion of their potential or by improving the quality of their yoki as Miria stated in the Slashers arc), Awakened ones cannot improve their abilities but remain static once they have unleashed their actual and potential power. Thats why I said that Hilda could have possible become a Tier 1 warrior (aka Top 5), but she awakened before she could use her potential.
Regarding the whole issue of Teresa hiding her power: I always wondered why the Org. never looked for the remains of Rosemary to check what had happened. Its not a casual event for a former No.1 to come close to awakening and would be worthwhile checking on what went on. They did find the awakened remains of Ophelia after all. My guess is that Teresa buried her Claymore style after she had her fun with her. Last edited by BaalChaamon; 2007-10-16 at 03:45. |
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Agility = A Is it safe to say at this time when Clare faces Flora, Clare would be considered a single digit possibly the new number 7? This is my guess for Clare's stats seven years after the war in the North when she fights Miria. Yoki = C+ Agility = A Strength = C Mental = B+ Sense = A Leadership = D Another thing does anyone have an idea what are the stats for Cynthia, Tabitha, and Yuma are? |
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Cynthia is stronger than Deneve (according to ranking), and is defensive too. She was one of the six last standing in pieta, and she clearly takes control of the group after the fab 4 take off to rescue the poor lambs from Riful. so I would say: Yoki = C+ Agility = C Strength = C+ Mental = B+ Sense = B Leadership = B Tabitha shows some "tricky movements" against the first AB in Pieta, and become the Ghost 7s eye, with a better range than Clare. She was not among the last 6 standing in Pieta. She was 30. She's a follower, also. So: Yoki = C Agility = B Strength = C Mental = C Sense = B+ Leadership = E Yuma sucks. She's the only one wounded in the first Pieta skirmish, she isn't part of the last 6, she is a follower, she cannot even follow Clare when she walks fast. Still, she survived, and she can sense power. So: Yoki = D Agility = E Strength = D Mental = E Sense = D Leadership = E |
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2007-10-16, 09:12 | Link #30 | |
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The reason I did not give Clare an A stat is because Rigaldo ignored her, and the only thing that every target of Rigaldo seemed to share (other then obviously being the leaders) was that they all had a A stat, thus leading Rigaldo to focus on them. So maybe a B+, but just barely not a A. I believe it is too hard to judge the other 3, cept maybe Cynthia, based on what we have seen of them, but I think your underrating Yuma. My guess would be; Yuma Yoki: D Agility: D Strength: D Mental: C Sense: D Leadership: C I basically compared her stats to Elena (Clare's friend) as she IS higher ranked then Clare (technically.) So it is good to judge based on the next lowest character we know, stat wise. I doubt any of the 7 Ghosts mental score is low either, as they have quite the strong will-power to survive in the north for 7 years, while training to increase their strength.
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2007-10-16, 09:41 | Link #31 |
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Just going by org evaluations before the time skip. Leadership C for Yuma is definitely too high, since all she does is follow. She froze before the first AB she saw too, so if we take snapshots of them during the northern war, she has no iron mental either, D at max, imho.
Then again, as Miria said, the 24 sent in Pieta were all better off dead for the organisation, so what was Yuma's offense? (I could go with Cynthia being too cunning and Tabitha knowing too much, but what did Yuma pull to get sacked?) About Clare, after killing Ligardes, before the timeskip, Pris sees two strong lights, way stronger than the others, that I assume are Miria and Clare, that's why I would put Miria and Clare at at least A+ for Yoki |
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One thing i have noticed with Clare though is she seems to be a collector not just of body parts but yoki based skills as well. Look at the flash sword as one example. Sure it's hard to learn but one would have thought just from what Irene said it would be nearly impossible for Clare with her mentality to learn it. And when she was in the witches maw arc she very quickly picked up in part Galatea's skill to a point to turn back Jean. So it seems she can to a limited degree absorb skills she sees or feels. Any's opinions and thoughts? i welcome feedback. |
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I gave her a C in leadership because Elena had one too, and she was obviously low-ranked as well, we don't see Yuma leading because well, everyone else is higher ranked then her, cept for Clare, who does not even listen to Miria that often. Quote:
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Yes, but we are talking pre-Rigaldo here, I would not be so quick to stick Miria and Clare's Yoki at A+; that would be at noob Priscilla level. I would be more willing to stick them in the A catagory though, simliar to Irene and Galatea ---------------- Quote:
I do not really think she has good leadership skills based on what we have seen, she is prone to independent action and is hot-headed, just because she had an idea (that was full of holes) and it worked does not mean she has even decent leadership skills, it helps that Jean was more then willing to help her out (with the whole wookie-lifedebt thing.) Every time she partially awakens I get the feeling she becomes more and more compatible with the Yoma that was inside Teresa. So I believe she is becoming stronger and stronger every time she goes over her limit. Quote:
Later the Windcutter was achievable because of the latent ability in Irene's arm as well.
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i see your points and will conceed to many of them but here's something to consider
Galatea's ability to tweak yoki is that a learned skill or something from the yoma flesh she aquired? it's not something we ever learned so who really knows. Terresa sure never showed she has such a skill or for that matter that she was that generation's eye. Just leaves more questions than answers i guess. |
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The same way, all Claymores will probably specialize one way or another, but techniques are not limited. Helen picked up Jean's strong blow for example, and Tabitha probably became a Galatea bis. The way the mangaka weaves his story, Miria is midfielder/captain, with speed and tactics but low power, when Clare and Helen are forwards hard hitters. Deneve is defense, Tabitha manager, Cynthia the second defenser and Yuma the ball. |
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Helen's flexible arms are probably what allowed her to pick of Jean's simliar, yet different, skill. While Tabitha always had talent in that department, but was over-shadowed by people like Galatea. I would say Miria is the All-rounder, she can perform whatever roll she needs to in battle, and she can attack at sudden and unexpected speeds, she is quick with thinking on her feet as well, not to mention her phantom ability can confuse the crap out of those caught un-aware. Helen would be a Shock-trooper as her abilities allow her to attack from unexpected angles at unexpected ranges, and with alot of power now with Jean's technique. Clare is definatly a front-liner, with her Yoki-sensing allowing her to avoid the worst of attacks, and her Windcutter giving her an offensive punch. Deneve is definatly a tank/front-liner, she can take hits and it is obvious that she has focused on her strength a bit with the two-sword style that she picked up from Undine. Cynthia is probably a all-rounder like Miria, but to a much lesser degree, as she has many of the same qualities that Miria has, but she is also a defensive type, so where Miria is more focused on speed, she is more focused on toughness. Tabitha is the advanced warning and is probably on over-watch duty to ensure that people do not get suprised by an unexpected attack, as she has the longest range out of the 7 ghosts, she likely only invovles herself heavily in battle when they need the extra power, or when it is safe for her to do so. Yuma is likely the filler/clean-up, she is the weakest of the bunch but she is an extra body that the enemy has to worry about, and having so many people attacking you at once could make it difficult to defend against even Yuma.
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