2013-04-02, 01:19 | Link #5601 | |
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As for Ogata, I'm sure he doesn't see himself as being evil, per se. He simply wants to create the perfect martial art, and isn't above sending his own disciples to their deaths in order to achieve it. Lugh himself said that was the reason he took so many disciples, so he'd always have a replacement for one that broke down. And yes, he doesn't deceive people into using such dangerous techniques, though if someone one asks for the knowledge, he grants it. It's his "equality of martial arts," one of his "principles," so to speak. And I fear he won't be completely defeated in this arc, whatever the eventual outcome, he'll be back. Bet on it. |
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2013-04-05, 14:55 | Link #5604 |
The Shermain
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This was one of the better chapters in a while... and sadly, it's still just a pale shadow of it's former greatness. Kenichi is now being overshadowed by wheel-chair bound cripples. This whole fight against Ogata has been pointless. Kenichi will learn absolutely nothing from it except what he already knows-- there's no way in hell he'll ever be strong enough to beat Ogata or a master class. Not if he had 50 more years of training.
I know I sound bitter, but I miss the days when Kenichi used to kick ass, instead of constantly getting his ass kicked by master classes, which has become the norm.
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2013-04-05, 15:01 | Link #5605 |
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You are just bitter tbh, the reason Kenichi is coming up against Master class opponents is because few to none in the Disciple Class can be expected to beat him now.
Saying he will never be able to beat Master class opponents goes exactly against the intent of his development. He has been training for 1 year and is already the strongest in the disciple class, hence the title. Masters are basically the only thing left he has to legitimately overcome. Ogata even has the pleasure of being one of the strongest in the Master class. Sure, it sucks seeing Kenichi lose, but he is losing to people who have been at this for over a decade, and still he is still impressing them despite his lack of talent. For all of Berserker's bluster, he never landed a hit on Kenichi either.
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2013-04-05, 15:18 | Link #5609 | |
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Kenichi has been steadily advancing since then, but none of his opponents are quite at Shou's level, so he hasn't had to radically improve since that point.
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2013-04-05, 15:43 | Link #5610 | |
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It's hard to have your main character show growth when he's not really being used as a main character. Just think about it... in the time since the DofD arc, he's learned ONE new move. That's pretty sad. He had just one moment of real character growth when he fought to save Freya's grandfather. That's really it.
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2013-04-05, 16:29 | Link #5611 | |
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He also showed a lot of progress in his fight against Takeda, with his variations of Mubyoushi.
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2013-04-05, 17:34 | Link #5612 |
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The thing is, the fight with Shou basically marks the end of Kenichi as a abject underdog character. Ever since then, in his fights, there isn't the desperation that was there before. So, the author took the chance to branch the series out a little more with all the master class fights, which IMHO, is perfectly OK. Not every series absolutely needs to follow it's main character completely. Plus, it gives us a better idea of the level Kenichi is striving for.
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2013-04-06, 01:31 | Link #5615 | |
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And with the power levels they present... I highly doubt Kenichi would ever get there. It'd take at least 2000 more chapters at the pace the manga is going for him to even reach beginning master class. I just think Matsuena made a mistake focusing all the plot on an enemy the main character has absolutely no chance of ever facing. Not looking forward to a final showdown with Saiga or Ogata where Kenichi is just standing around watching again.
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