2010-01-26, 20:31 | Link #201 |
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There are so many posts toskim through so I am going to just add my 2 cents here. In the second half of the 1990's everything thought that rock music was dead/dieing. A lot of the same points raised about anime can be used for this point in rock music. Just hear me out. From about 1996-1998 rock pretty much failed big time. Popular styles of rock was no longer popular and people looked elsewhere in the music industry, but soon rock music became stronger and new styles came to the forefront. What I am trying to say is that everything goes through ups and downs. Something new is bound to come that will peak the interst. Not every series is for everyone. If everyone liked the same thing then this world would be pretty boring. I have seen and I am a fan of some series' that are on opposite ends on the spectrem. This was just a mini rant aimed at no one n.n
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2010-01-26, 21:40 | Link #202 | |
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I think the primary answer to my question is the expected audience for anime sales in R1. By and large sex and violence sells better than drama, especially when a large segment of the audience consists of 12-30 year-old males. (Women, I'd argue, are much better served by manga licensors than by anime licensors.) Breaking out of this niche has proven very difficult for years now as demonstrated by the consignment of anime to [adult swim] or SyFy. We can argue about why anime has failed to establish a wider foothold in the R1 entertainment industry, but I see no evidence that it will become more widely appreciated or more available here in the future. If anything, I expect anime will occupy an even smaller niche in the years ahead. I would love to be able to point my adult friends to places where they could watch shows like Bartender legally. Crunchyroll has flirted with a more adult market with licenses like Ristorante Paradiso, Eve no Jikan or Durarara, and has carried a few family shows like Chi or Erin. Still they're much more likely to license a show like Chu-Bra than something like Aoi Bungaku or even Tokyo Magnitude 8.0.
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2010-01-26, 23:35 | Link #203 | |
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Also am I the only one that is getting a stock market vibe from this whole trend of doing something like buying 30 tickets to a single movie all for personal use cause that's seriously what it's starting to feel like. The people don't necessarily need these extra items, but in purchasing multiple copies it's like they are purchasing a share in getting to decide trends in anime and ensuring that they get to see more of their favourite tropes in the future. That is their dividend. |
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As for Kimikiss, one of the arguments I hear for why the anime flopped is that it went for a multithreaded rather than harem approach to the story. Which to me begs the question of why fans of EF: A Tale of Memories accepted that anime's multithreaded approach. After all, EF averaged more than twice as many units per volume. Is it just that in Kimikiss' case it was a change from the game, whereas EF's game was multithreaded to begin with? I guess the other problem I have with the Type A/Type B distinction is that there's a question of who is making the distinction. I'm part of two anime clubs, and I've seen distinctions like this used to try and enforce a sort of social hierarchy within one of them. In my experience, it's certain Type As who seem to be the ones deciding who falls into which category, and the distinction usually seems to be whether you happen to like what they classify as "Type B" shows. Whether you also like "Type A" shows is irrelevant - most of those relegated to "Type B" on the hierarchy factor a lot more than just "I like/dislike the characters" into their opinions. So yeah... basically, when I hear about a distinction like this, one of my questions is "who is trying to distinguish themselves with it?". Quote:
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2010-01-27, 09:04 | Link #205 | ||||
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2010-01-27, 10:52 | Link #206 |
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Personally I've always been pessimetic about anime ever becoming mainstream for a foreign makert ala r1 region, it's certianly possibly but unlikely at this point because even if you were to say, whitewash anime of it's questionably sexual content, convience poeple that it's not all blood, violence, and sex, and convience people that animantion in general isn't just for kids, you'd still have to overcome that fact that anime is made for people of a different culture.
It's like wanting bollywood movies or Chinese movies to do well here as well. Oh sure there's going that one movie that gets right and is a huge financial success domestic and in the foreign market but for a huge portion of the stuff even if it does follow the formula of that big hit was just won't have the luck. So as long as it's made by the Japanese for the Japanese, this the position anime's going to take, international at least. |
2010-01-27, 13:19 | Link #207 | ||
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Have you seen this and this from Quarkboy btw? See the noitamA and Darker Than Black 2 discussion Spoiler for *short* excerpt:
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... I say it'll still grow, but over the generations as anime becomes more popular with young people worldwide. It may not ever become as mainstream as primetime TV but it's popular probably because it doesn't try to cater so much to the mainstream. I liken it to niche music: the kind you don't hear much on the radio--or more in some regions and less in others (e.g. dance/electronic music - almost none in most of the US, but more on EU radio), but still has a sizeable audience with a lot still being produced. That also reminds me a bit of the CLAMP Appreciation Fanbook, which was sent also to CLAMP. (physical book pics and free pdf here) The responses from the ladies at CLAMP here and here seem to show how surprised they were at the popularity of their material worldwide. |
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2010-01-27, 17:40 | Link #209 | |
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Like it or not, bayoab, fansubbing was a huge help in growing the foreign fanbase for anime. Anime would be in far worse shape right now if not for the impact of fansubs over the years. These fansubbers deserve loads of credit for what they've done to help anime. And if all fansubbing was to cease tomorrow, the anime fandom would reduce quite a bit in size, I'd say. Fansubs are still the only way to view many animes in many regions in a timely fashion (i.e. within a few days of their initial airing in Japan).
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2010-01-27, 20:13 | Link #210 | |
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2010-01-27, 20:30 | Link #211 | |
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Oh and right: drop the freakin region blocks that don't allow me to view most of the frakin streams!
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2010-01-27, 21:40 | Link #214 | |
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I know someone who watched english subbed Nanoha before it was dubbed, and then bought the Nanoha Season 1 English dub DVD after it was released as an English dub DVD. He would not have bought the Nanoha Season 1 DVD if not for having come to like the series through watching it via fansubs. What's wrong with watching fansubs if the people who do so go on to buy the animes that they like? Honestly... expecting people to spend $50 or more blindly; just picking up a random anime DVD based on the DVD cover artwork and hope it turns out to be good... I mean, that's crazy. Only extremely well-to-do anime fans with money to burn are likely to do this to any significant degree. People want to sample the product before putting significant money down on it. This is why there are free demo versions of many a PC game. As for legit streams... there are issues with these too. Region coding being one in some places. And, IIRC, not all animes are covered by legit streams.
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2010-01-27, 22:31 | Link #215 |
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Hell yeah, people watch fansubs. Nothing wrong with that of itself (well, other than the fact that it's stealing, but that's a triviality). The big challenge is then to get people who watch the fansub (and decide from that viewing that they like the anime) to then buy DVDs. You'll never get everyone to do that, and trying to do so is a ridiculous strategy (as is punishing the fanbase). But companies need to figure out how they can encourage more people to watch anime through legal means and then transform that into sales. Online streaming is a good start, although it has its own problems it needs to figure out (region blocking, lesser quality, etc). I don't pretend to have the answers. Fansubs are still far and away that best "try before you buy" method for anime available by a long shot. It's up to companies to figure out how exactly to encourage people to buy a product in lieu of the existence of fansubs, which will never disappear completely. Attitudes like the one quoted in this article are not helpful.
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2010-01-27, 23:55 | Link #216 | |
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2010-01-28, 00:17 | Link #217 | |
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Don't know the answer. Wish I did... BUY SPICE AND WOLF DVDS! Did that work?
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2010-01-28, 00:44 | Link #218 | |
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To get people to buy the DVDs, it has to feel like you're buying a valuable collectible, and that it's coming with some added value beyond episode content alone. Some of the DVDs for 80s North American cartoons had extras like long commentary tracks and specialized art cards. Maybe something like that could help? *Shrug*
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