2017-08-13, 19:46
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Really hope SSG Goku keeps his regeneration/healing abilities(more like hope toei doesn't forget about it...)
That was one of the things that made the form somewhat unique, unlike other Super Sayan forms it was more than just a simple power boost.
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2017-08-13, 22:21
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Not that it'll even happen, but emotionally I think it might be cool if Gohan wound up being a final boss or somehow defeating Goku...
I know Toriyama's utter hatred of the character will never allow this. But in-terms of good story telling having Gohan truly be pissed off by pops and challenging his perceptions of what power/fighting is could be an epic series kind of thing... No one else could relay the message of how truly effed Goku really is for all of this... Again, I know its slim since Dragonball has once again decided it hates the $hit outta Gohan...I don't know why. Its saving animators a ton never having to draw him as a SSJ blue, green, gold, pink, ravishing-red or looking in any way cool...
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2017-08-14, 05:02
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It were the fans that didn't want to let go of Goku and refused Gohan back then (20+ years ago). His love for him is the reason why Gohan keeps coming back despite not being a warrior in mind and doing no training between his big fights, but suddenly gets competitive again through unique out of nowhere powerups like the 1day dance. And it is his love that will make Gohan be the last one standing next to Goku to fight whoever is left on the nemy side (if we go by the opening). If we would go by consistency that spot would belong to Vegeta. Fans nowdays are more acceptive of Gohan than back then. While a character like Goku would fail horribly if released nowdays. The social aspect in shounen mangas became much more important, and Gohan fulfills that role way better than Goku. I like him when he is not fighting too. He provides some good slice of life comedy. I wish he would just get his life he wants, living peacefully without being dragged to back into end of the world battles and suddenly has to become one of the top universe fighters quickly again. I started DB when the social aspect didn't matter that much and DBZ wasn't available in my country for a long time after DB had aired here for several years already. I'm too used to the old formula of it's all about Gouke and he is a battle maniac and doesn't care for anything else except a few friends. I don't mind him being a neglecting father who doesn't care about his wife either beyond a stupid promise and just is a training freak, because of that. It's simply not important for his base character. That's why the GokuxCaulifla has a huge popularity momentum currently. She would be the perfect disciple he dreamed of all the time. Power hungry, Lust for battle and the will to surpass the teacher. Last edited by Hoodspirit; 2017-08-14 at 08:23. |
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2017-08-14, 07:19
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I think you're confusing alternate/parallel timelines and Universes. Alternate timelines are created by time travel, and Trunks came from U7 of one of them. Each of the alternate timelines (IIRC there are about four or five of them) features 12 different Universes. Zamasu came from U10 of yet another alternate timeline and could freely travel between timelines and Universes thanks to the time ring he stole from Gowasu. To make this even more confusing, each Universe has a twin (U6 and U7 have the same races and planets) and they could therefore be considered parallel Universes, but they aren't really. I suggest you read the manga version of the Black arc if you haven't because everything is explained better in it.
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2017-08-14, 15:10
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It's true that Toriyama definitely doesn't hate Gohan though, and since Super gave him back his Mystic power I'm sure the Toei staff like him too. For all we know Gohan getting his power back for the ToP was in Toriyama's notes. |
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2017-08-14, 16:15
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Toriyama was the one who both promoted and demoted Gohan's role as a MC in the Buu saga. So it doesnt seem like Gohan would be his favourite character. I think he mentioned Piccollo was his favourite character when an interviewer asked him. Though he answered Goku being his favourite in a different interview.
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2017-08-14, 20:26
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He caved to fan pressure and that's happened before, but he has had literally 300 episodes /chapters or maybe even 20 years to correct this...and its clear at this point he decided not to really augment that...What makes it worse is that he'll throw Gohan fans a bone here and there only to let it fizzle into nothing... However in this arc, Gohan is the perfect foil to what Goku is doing...And its a natural and organic disposition that is soul of his character...Rather than juice that up, I see yet another missed opportunity to elevate him...
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2017-08-14, 21:11
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Toriyama had every intention of making Gohan the main character after Cell. Quote:
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2017-08-14, 21:41
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The problem with the poor Gohan is that he does not even have his own cast. The closest thing he has as "friend" is Krillin, but Krillin is a generation above Gohan..
If Gohan could build his own cast after the cell arc then he could have a chance to become the mc...but the chance has been lost We all love Gohan because of his ruthless killing to cell jr and he was one of the smarter guys before the cell arc...but since then, gohan becomes an expert in messing things up. Heck even Piccolo says so in super XD (and if my memory is correct, some audiences in the last episode also wondered if Gohan would mess up again). I am afraid Gohan has fallen too far for saving And why would gohan be at odds with goku? No one can fight against the angels. We are pretty much down to route where goku would eventually try some other methods to revive everyone. If the angels block that move and thus become the antagonists, Goku wouldn't sit still. If goku sits still then gohan would first have to beat goku, then challenges the angels, which is almost impossible to happen
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2017-08-14, 22:31
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2017-08-14, 23:23
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2017-08-14, 23:44
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Gohan was injured badly with the Saiyaman $hit from jumpstreet....And I was around for the original after cell and I remember it vividly being Toriyama switched him out because of fan / studio reaction...
That's fair, but give up on him? Just make him basically a high-level patsy moving forward? He set the series in motion... Look, its 2017 I don't need Gohan re-imagined...Whats done is done, but in this story setup, redemption is right there in the form of a super-hearted battle with Pops...It's a chance for Gohan to be finally realized in a boss role with it not being forced... He hates what his father has done deep down and to exploit that anger, anger which might create a new form would be top-notch with all the emotions being history of the show type stuff... It be great after the speculated final showdown with the angels or during, but it can easily happen prior to that being revealed... 17 has been given some other worldly fan service already, $hit Krillen and 18, too lol......Lets not even talk about Future Trunks who soaks in Toriyama's mental bubble bath  ...Gohan's only chance is right now :/...
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2017-08-15, 02:51
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2017-08-15, 10:11
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2017-08-15, 14:19
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My annoyance is not about "saving" Gohan's character...If you never watch an episode of Super, he is fully formed within the canon like it or not... I'm saying here's a perfect chance for him to shine in a storyline that would actually make sense in redeeming him...Something that actually plays to his strength (Life > Fighting) as a character that's not just pulling Golden Freiza or Super Duper Trunks power-ups ouuta your a$$... It actually makes sense for Gohan to be an antagonist here...unless, as I suspect, Toriyama (or whoever) just gives no more fux about the character...
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