White Album 2 ~Shiawase no Mukougawa~

[Leon_Lelouch]

As the PS Vita is coming near and the anime is also being aired
to avoid spoilering of the game inside anime thread, maybe we should just talk in here
I have searched for the thread that talk about this but I haven't found it.... While this game is actually very famous but I guess not many people here play this I think



here is the PS Vita site
The only thing that I heard which makes PS3 version and PS Vita version is that in PS Vita version there's an option to make it into novel version where it will show wall of text which will make the character portrait disappear and the other one is a warning icon for a scene that can make player to cry based on vote by fans
source here
and last is the important one.... it include nintengo of Kazusa and Setsuna for the limited edition~
I doubt there's another extra scenario or scene for this version... but still hoping for it

The translation is on progress here
Hope for people to join in again.... just ask velocity (I think I saw him here too) if want to join
I think I can finish IC before the anime ends

actually I want to discuss about the game songs too in here
like what you thought about a certain song and its lyrics as it all had a meaning related to the series (Todokanai Koi and Closing has already had a definite answer)

Spoiler for :

todokanai koi being Haruki's feelings to Kazusa and Closing being Kazusa's feelings exploding out
When Chiaki said to Takeya in IC (after finishing Chiaki route), Takeya realized it too, and when Chiaki said it to Haruki in her route Haruki didn't deny it (as Haruki's the one who wrote the lyrics)
While Closing was accepted by the singer Uehara Rena and both Nabatame and Yonezawa

If I miss the thread that had been made, pls tell me or just merge it
hope for a nice discussion

oh and while at it... as this is a promise question.... pls mention which faction you are (Kazusa or Setsuna)

I'm Kazusa faction though

Addition:
This game is categorized as the best VN from here link
I don't really know if it's reliable enough, some people said that this site a bit reliable for japanese site (well its still based on each person's preference though)

[Cosmic Eagle]

Is there any difference with the original other than no H-scenes?

[Leon_Lelouch]

The PS3 and PSV version has an extended scenario for Kazusa's normal end (also called as Uwaki Route in PS3 and PSV version)

[Key Board]

Isn't the Vita version the exact same version as the PS3 version?
and rather than this, I'm still waiting for a fandisc

Pillow Talk is not enough...

[Mazryonh]

Can we talk about the original PC version here too?

[Leon_Lelouch]

lol, pillow talk is just like self talking, not really satisfied enough with it
but.... I guess fandisc maybe will lower the impact of the ending so that's why they're not making it at all.... (not like I'm agains the making of it though)

Why not? the difference is that PC version has H-scene while PS3 remove that but extend one of the route scenario, not that much different haha

[Key Board]

I can think of several ideas for Kazusa FD

Spoiler:

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Haruki being Haruki at work. Vienna version
Kazusa finally changing her stage name to match her new one
Kazusa giving Youko her promised grandchild

Also Kazusa true was a bit too platonic

I think it just writes itself

[SaintessHeart]

Spoiler for reply to stuff in spoilers:

Then what is Haruki going to do in Vienna?

[Key Board]

pillow talk hints what will happen

Spoiler:

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Haruki enjoying his new job a bit too much, because he's a workaholic
Kazusa wanting an apology
Makeup sex
ect..

[SaintessHeart]

Spoiler for timeskip issues in anime:

There are a couple of clues which pointed towards the timeskip being more than 3 years in CC. For example, Haruki's workplace is using Windows XP, which was released in 2001; by then most companies only started adopting it in the mid 2000s due to stability issues before the SP1 patch. If it is 3-year timeskip, then it should be 1996+3=1999.

Secondly, Setsuna highlighted something about a 10th anniversary live in one of the scenes during the class gathering at the end of CC.

That is why I said that it will come back to bite them in the later part of the anime if they set the setting in 2007.

[Ringil]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Spoiler for timeskip issues in anime:

There are a couple of clues which pointed towards the timeskip being more than 3 years in CC. For example, Haruki's workplace is using Windows XP, which was released in 2001; by then most companies only started adopting it in the mid 2000s due to stability issues before the SP1 patch. If it is 3-year timeskip, then it should be 1996+3=1999.

Secondly, Setsuna highlighted something about a 10th anniversary live in one of the scenes during the class gathering at the end of CC.

That is why I said that it will come back to bite them in the later part of the anime if they set the setting in 2007.

Note: I haven't played all of CC yet because I'm lazy/busy

Spoiler for CC timeline:

but surely the fact that Haruki is a 3rd year college student is more relevant than these small other things? I mean I guess Haruki could've taken some years off, but that seems unlikely....

[MJK55]

Spoiler for WA1 and WA2 Timelines:

AFAIK, the 1986 setting from the 2009 White Album adaptation was an anime original invention. I'm not sure if the year was mentioned in the PS3 remake of the game, but I believe that it wasn't explicitly stated in the original PC game. In other words, it might not be canon.

From what I've gathered, WA2 IC takes place in 2007, CC in 2010, and Coda in 2012-2013. WA1 takes place in 1997 to early 1998, coinciding with the development/release date of the game.

In the WA animation, it simply served as a convenient way of eliminating cell phones and creating communication barriers between characters.

[Key Board]

Spoiler:

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IC to Coda is gap 5 years
both Setsuna and Kazusa stress this several times
I'm pretty sure they would be the last person to forget things.

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

The translation is on progress here
Hope for people to join in again.... just ask velocity (I think I saw him here too) if want to join

I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

Spoiler for :

When Chiaki said to Takeya in IC (after finishing Chiaki route), Takeya realized it too, and when Chiaki said it to Haruki in her route Haruki didn't deny it (as Haruki's the one who wrote the lyrics)

Did you mean to say that happened in the CC section? I doubt any of the CC heroines met the IC characters during IC itself, because technically the CC heroines hadn't been created yet when IC was released.

Originally Posted by Key Board

I can think of several ideas for Kazusa FD

Spoiler:

Haruki being Haruki at work. Vienna version
Kazusa finally changing her stage name to match her new one
Kazusa giving Youko her promised grandchild

Also Kazusa true was a bit too platonic

I think it just writes itself

I can think of a few things that could go into a "reverse-port" that transferred the new material from the PS3 version back into PC version to entice newcomers to buy it (assuming this is released after the WA2 anime has completely aired, CC and all).

First, I'm sure some of us would like to see just what happened to Youko Touma (AKA "We-Swear-She's-Totally-Not-Faye-Valentine"), Kazusa's mother, when Kazusa was conceived. It could be a tragic love story all its own as to why Kazusa's father is not in his daughter's life. Maybe Youko Touma loved the wrong man and thought he would stay in her life rather than leaving her a single mother. A real-life case can be found in Japanese celebrity news in the case of Miki Ando, a Japanese Olympic figure skater who had a daughter she refuses to publicly disclose the father of. Assuming this hypothetical PC version is 18+ (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), I'm sure Rio Natsuki (Youko's seiyuu) will oblige--she has made (censored) noises before, in her role as Lucy Maria Misora in the To Heart 2 XRATED (yes, that is part of the actual title) PC port.

Spoiler for Possible spoilers for CODA?:

According to Setsuna's CODA route, Io and Takeya start an intimate relationship of their own by the end of that route. I'm pretty sure some of us wouldn't mind seeing them become lovers in an expanded PC re-port, though I'm not sure whether Io's and Takeya's seiyuus have made (censored) noises for eroge before.

By the way, for those of you who have read the "Extra Episode" that builds on one of the three CODA routes, would this be a nice addition to it?

Spoiler for Spoilers for the Extra Episode:

The Extra Episode is an expansion to the "Cheating" route, where Haruki dallies with Kazusa for a while but she convinces him to go back to Setsuna. I found it a little odd as to why the writers didn't go for this final twist (or "twist of the knife," if you prefer).

It would have been great in my opinion, if after the end of the "Cheating" route (Extra Episode included), there was a scene change marked "1 year later," showing Kazusa from behind watching a concert of Setsuna's, seated in her Vienna residence, and the camera then shows Haruki embracing her on stage. Kazusa says the following, to no one in particular:

"I always did love how they made music together."

"They always tried to make everyone happy."

"He even left me with some of the happiest moments of my life."

This is where the screen changes to show Kazusa's face, a tear working its way down her smiling face.

"You see that nice man there?"

The tear works its way down her face and falls down . . .

"He's your father . . . Haruka."

. . . to splash on the face of a few-months-old baby girl cradled in Kazusa's lap, whom Kazusa named "Haruka" after Haruki.

Something similar has been done before, actually. KimiNozo, the current "love-triangle king" of eroges, did feature problematic pregnancies in some of its endings, I hear, and I'm still surprised that WA2 didn't. Still, Kazusa becoming pregnant in the "Cheating" route and leaving before Haruki finds out about it would be a nice way to put a "heartbreak ending," because in this case Kazusa becoming a single mother with Haruki's child would be a way to show that she's sadly continued the vicious cycle that was started by Kazusa's own mother, Youko. It would be a great way to slam home how cheating in intimate relationships can hurt everyone involved, or even bring innocents (like unwanted children) into the equation.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.

Moogy has always had the habit of being an arrogant prick who loves to over exaggerate and put down others but his points about those are valid admittedly.

You should note however that isn't all Velocity has done and I haven't actually seen the rest of his work yet. Personally, I did only a small bit of the latter part of the translation while the beginning was mainly Hikari's work and our bits are largely ok.

Anyway, the TL is effectively dead. I don't know if Velocity is resuming but Hikari and I effectively stopped long ago.

[Leon_Lelouch]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.



Did you mean to say that happened in the CC section? I doubt any of the CC heroines met the IC characters during IC itself, because technically the CC heroines hadn't been created yet when IC was released.



I can think of a few things that could go into a "reverse-port" that transferred the new material from the PS3 version back into PC version to entice newcomers to buy it (assuming this is released after the WA2 anime has completely aired, CC and all).

Spoiler for Possible spoilers for CODA?:

According to Setsuna's CODA route, Io and Takeya start an intimate relationship of their own by the end of that route. I'm pretty sure some of us wouldn't mind seeing them become lovers in an expanded PC re-port, though I'm not sure whether Io's and Takeya's seiyuus have made (censored) noises for eroge before.

By the way, for those of you who have read the "Extra Episode" that builds on one of the three CODA routes, would this be a nice addition to it?

Spoiler for Spoilers for the Extra Episode:

The Extra Episode is an expansion to the "Cheating" route, where Haruki dallies with Kazusa for a while but she convinces him to go back to Setsuna. I found it a little odd as to why the writers didn't go for this final twist (or "twist of the knife," if you prefer).

It would have been great in my opinion, if after the end of the "Cheating" route (Extra Episode included), there was a scene change marked "1 year later," showing Kazusa from behind watching a concert of Setsuna's, seated in her Vienna residence, and the camera then shows Haruki embracing her on stage. Kazusa says the following, to no one in particular:

"I always did love how they made music together."

"They always tried to make everyone happy."

"He even left me with some of the happiest moments of my life."

This is where the screen changes to show Kazusa's face, a tear working its way down her smiling face.

"You see that nice man there?"

The tear works its way down her face and falls down . . .

"He's your father . . . Haruka."

. . . to splash on the face of a few-months-old baby girl cradled in Kazusa's lap, whom Kazusa named "Haruka" after Haruki.

Something similar has been done before, actually. KimiNozo, the current "love-triangle king" of eroges, did feature problematic pregnancies in some of its endings, I hear, and I'm still surprised that WA2 didn't. Still, Kazusa becoming pregnant in the "Cheating" route and leaving before Haruki finds out about it would be a nice way to put a "heartbreak ending," because in this case Kazusa becoming a single mother with Haruki's child would be a way to show that she's sadly continued the vicious cycle that was started by Kazusa's own mother, Youko. It would be a great way to slam home how cheating in intimate relationships can hurt everyone involved, or even bring innocents (like unwanted children) into the equation.

Well I just hope that the translation can at least invite people who don't know Japanese to at least know and enjoy playing WA2

After playing Chiaki route, IC route will have another change after the school festival in which Chiaki would have a scene talking with Takeya

Spoiler for Takeya:

Actually according to radio, if they didn't meet with Mizushima Takahiro (seiyuu of Haruki) they intended to make Terashima (Takeya's seiyuu) to play the role of Haruki, so.... I guess he actually had already understood that he would play H-scene role....
or maybe I'm wrong in interpreting it, since they're talking about the audition for the PS3 version (which for me was actually the audition for the PC one as there's no way there'd be another audition for PS3 version)

Spoiler for coda:

hmm, I don't really find pregnant route to be good enough... Well of course it's one of possible things to be happened and I don't deny that sometimes it can be good too (rather, I actually like to see Kazusa had Haruki's child so she can at least still be happy with that gift) but... I think pregnant is not really the style of White Album
They didn't make that as a pregnant route too as maybe they want to put a stop in Haruki's suffering... how actually he will suffer again when he somehow know about the truth...

something I realized about coda

Spoiler for cc to coda:

actually.... to move on to coda, Haruki didn't need to actually choose Setsuna to enter that route... After all as long as Haruki worked in Kaiohsha Graph, he could actually involved in interviewing Kazusa and surely would meet her... Because Kaiohsha Graph knew the relation between Haruki and Kazusa being a classmate and how Haruki performed from his writing about Kazusa so it's inevitable to make Haruki to go interview Kazusa....

[Key Board]

Mazryonh
They made it very clear in that expanded route that

Spoiler:

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..........Kazusa did not get pregnant. She was actually hoping to.
But it didn't happen

You aren't the only one who had that idea. In fact there's several fanfics that dealt with that theme. Like this doujin for instance

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.p...st_id=29149343

I think Maruto read some of "those himself and decided. "No, this isn't the point of this route", and shot it down in the expanded version.

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

something I realized about coda

Spoiler for cc to coda:

actually.... to move on to coda, Haruki didn't need to actually choose Setsuna to enter that route... After all as long as Haruki worked in Kaiohsha Graph, he could actually involved in interviewing Kazusa and surely would meet her... Because Kaiohsha Graph knew the relation between Haruki and Kazusa being a classmate and how Haruki performed from his writing about Kazusa so it's inevitable to make Haruki to go interview Kazusa....

Chiaki/Koharu/Mari version of Coda?

[Leon_Lelouch]

yeah, their route...
well, there's a slim chance for Mari route though

Spoiler for mari route:

they're in America after all, so maybe it's a bit hard to make Haruki meet with Kazusa anymore.... and with Mari who knew his past, his action, and his affection towards another girl, there's no way Mari as his upper would let him meet with Kazusa

and about that

Spoiler for closing Chiaki:

it had been almost been used in Chiaki's route even though it was actually just a false assumption, so I doubt Maruto would use the same or something similar again

looks like if discussing about this, so many spoiler that is being discussed lol

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Anyway, the TL is effectively dead. I don't know if Velocity is resuming but Hikari and I effectively stopped long ago.

That's too bad; any chance you could find more people, especially since the mangagamer revolution now allows fan-translations to receive commercial sanction? And I would think that "frown power" among those in the VN community with real Japanese fluency would discourage anyone from using shortcuts like machine translation, especially given how limited that avenue is.

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

After playing Chiaki route, IC route will have another change after the school festival in which Chiaki would have a scene talking with Takeya

Nice of them to include that. Would it be a spoiler to reveal what Chiaki said to Takeya? What year is she compared to Haruki? And does Koharu also appear in IC if you complete her route in CC? Being at least three years younger than Haruki, she should be in middle school by then, so does that disqualify her from being in or around Houjou Gakuen in IC's time?

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

Spoiler for coda:

hmm, I don't really find pregnant route to be good enough... Well of course it's one of possible things to be happened and I don't deny that sometimes it can be good too (rather, I actually like to see Kazusa had Haruki's child so she can at least still be happy with that gift) but... I think pregnant is not really the style of White Album
They didn't make that as a pregnant route too as maybe they want to put a stop in Haruki's suffering... how actually he will suffer again when he somehow know about the truth...

Tragedy is supposed to be cathartic, and what we're discussing is hardly new to VNs. Key loved using similar stuff in Clannad, for instance. And besides, capitalizing on Haruki's suffering is a good way to show "you picked the wrong route, sucker" for the players.

Originally Posted by Key Board

Mazryonh

Spoiler:

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..........Kazusa did not get pregnant. She was actually hoping to.
But it didn't happen

You aren't the only one who had that idea. In fact there's several fanfics that dealt with that theme.

Of course it's not an uncommon idea; that sort of thing can happen even against all odds. And why did she want such a thing to happen, again? Was it explained in the game?

Spoiler for Game spoilers?:

I still think such an outcome would be wonderfully tragic, because though Kazusa's happy at having a piece of Haruki to keep for herself, she will never stop remembering him every time she looks into her daughter's eyes, and a part of her will forever regret not staying with him. Kazusa, as I mentioned before, would also start another turn of the vicious cycle her mother Youko began by becoming a single mother in this hypothetical ending. It would also make a great continuation if one day Haruka went to her father after this new ending to the Cheating route and said "Kitahara-san, I am your daughter."

I would think that Setsuna's daughter by Haruki would be called "Setsuka" as a fusion of "Setsuna" and "Kazusa" given that Setsuna wants Haruki and Kazusa to stay with her.

Frankly, I'm surprised that more doujinshi for WA2 haven't arisen, given that it's considered a "kamige." The only artist I know of who has regularly made them is a certain "Mizuki Makoto."

Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

yeah, their route...
well, there's a slim chance for Mari route though

Spoiler for mari route:

they're in America after all, so maybe it's a bit hard to make Haruki meet with Kazusa anymore.... and with Mari who knew his past, his action, and his affection towards another girl, there's no way Mari as his upper would let him meet with Kazusa

I would like those two characters to meet, actually. Their voice actresses really could use more scenes together.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

That's too bad; any chance you could find more people, especially since the mangagamer revolution now allows fan-translations to receive commercial sanction? And I would think that "frown power" among those in the VN community with real Japanese fluency would discourage anyone from using shortcuts like machine translation, especially given how limited that avenue is.

I....don't think Velocity was using machine translation actually...None of us were. Moogy's just overexaggerating as usual <__<


People with actual time? Quite hard....you are better off asking around those TL groups