2009-04-08, 18:55 | Link #61 |
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Yeah, I don't think she's tsundere at all. Then again, I don't want to pigeonhole characters into stereotypes if it could be helped.
She is in her denial/confusion stage with Layfon though, so a bit of snappy moments from her would be unavoidable, I think. Not that that's bad thing, I'd rather the anime develop the romance angles much gradually instead of the usual love at first/second sight (coughfellicough). |
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2009-05-14, 03:29 | Link #66 |
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Indeed and this by itself already was enough to make her my favorite character in the series. However she's not the blind self-righteous type so tries her best to learn and improve, interacting with other characters and developing them as well. I'd say that Layfon owes most of his development to her and thus, the plot itself.
Her dedication to the nobler goals are combined with a degree of realistic approach (most easily noticed as her pursuit of strength, as she's aware that just idealism isn't enough) makes her stand a clear cut above the usual stereotype in my book. To be honest, it doesn't make sense that she's not as popular as some other characters that barely developed even if at all, not to mention that they act as if thinking they're living in Tokyo with no survival worries. I wonder if some people really watch this show as a romantic high school comedy, valuing characters based on cuteness. |
2009-05-14, 05:42 | Link #67 |
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The reasons simple...
1.The anime made her stupider and weaker than she really is. 2. she opposes Layfon-sama, the "god of Regios" 3. Hard to read, and she seems like an emotional rollercoaster with that. The light novels translated to english(thanks to Blewin) to chapter 4 of the first volume. Spoiler for LN happenings:
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2009-05-14, 11:59 | Link #68 |
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among the girl characters in regios, nina is also my favorite...even though some dislike her, i totally like the way they made and develop her character...well, i agree with willy that her character in the novel is way more pleasant than the one we witnessed in the anime...
but i still think she really stands out among the other girl characters in csr... |
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- She was the closest to taking the flag still, arguably a lack of good teamwork and she wasn't as powerful back then. Reflects on it and forms her squad to start with a better position next time. Inter-platoon matches decide start points. - And that's what caused Layfon to awaken. Had she not, buh-bye Czellni on ep 7. Not to mention that the most serious plot advancement till now as it set the lead's motivation. - Well, I think she cared for him as he was like her, determined to protect the city. She had warned him as well, going against police orders so that's an indication. Maybe it didn't serve the greater good, I'll accept that. It's a conflict that arises frequently in lawful good characters. Sometimes you can't satisfy both aspects of your alignment and have to. Most people find LG characters uninteresting but I find them exciting due to the dilemmas they face, their preference defines and crafts their character. - Yeah but ep 14 was practically Sharnid's 15 mins of fame and Layfon soloed pretty much everything else. It's not like she avoided anything based on what we saw, people kept telling "leave that to us!/me!" to her. - Her mistake was to not postpone the match but that was to show Layfon that he shouldn't take all the burden on his shoulders anymore. A serious mistake, but out of goodwill. As for the match strategy, there were 2 tanks and 2 ranged, opposition would gang up on them if they went together. I doubt they would fare any better, opposition could just delay them long enough to get their flag. We're informed that platoon 17 is one of the less populated squads and they went against the most powerful, so it doesn't come across as a surprise. She did overestimate her platoon though, I'll give you that. - It was out of her control, Layfon barely avoided possession earlier. As I keep repeating, it wasn't her own will or choice for things to go that way. Haikizoku conveniently found someone with strong willpower and didn't miss the opportunity. Quote:
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I like Nina because she's imperfect in a good way. Humans after all, are faulty creatures, it's only your intention that your character can be judged on. Whatever that doesn't kill her, makes her stronger. She tries her best, doesn't budge even if things get tough. She's got ideals but ultimately she'll adapt when needed, like ep 10. But that doesn't mean abandoning them for convenience. Moreover, she develops and hormones don't play a part in it. Oh man, what a WoT I wrote here. Ultimately, everyone can like whoever they want and dislike whoever they want and I'm not expecting to change their ideas. It's just that I'm basing these likes/dislikes on the characters' builds: their background, motivation, interaction, intention and development. So that's why I'll argue if required. |
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- Sent him into exile and booed him, after having lived on his expenses - Wanted to kill him for revenge - Blackmailed him So you see, what he did seems to be grave offenses against both law and custom. Certainly something to make a squad leader have second thoughts as the offenses include insubordination and using his position for self-interest. He doesn't tell the whole picture so it totally looks evil from the outside, those people don't know what really happened like we do. Layfon awakened because it was Nina & Sharnid that would die for certain, being the first line of defense. He also recalled the trio, literally all his friends. He realized that cowering in a hole will have repercussions that he didn't want, friends' deaths. Quote:
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Heh, the thing is that she still hasn't used its powers, probably doesn't know how to invoke them. For all we know, Savaris closes on them with the intention to take it back. The goat may have ZERO benefit for her, as till now. |
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As for judgment, do you recall the dialogue between the president and 1st platoon leader who also leads military? Vance proposed to move her to another squad because her potential was put to waste coupled with unmotivated bums. The president refused and threatened with veto. Now, we all know by now that the president is an excellent judge of character. He manages to bend people to his will without lifting a finger, just through arrangements. So what we can conclude from that scene is that she thinks Nina can motivate those bums and utilize their power. And voila, all we have witnessed so far didn't prove the president wrong. That's saying something about her leading capability. Quote:
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Oh and later on, Felli speaks her mind about him trying to conceal his actions as selfish to others but actually cares. There ya go, one point for Felli. So Nina realized it was like that. Quote:
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- She lacks cool headedness. - The platoon improves mostly, because of Layfon. She was included on that improvement. That’s my whole point - ok. - ok, to each on his own then; and Quote:
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