2012-09-13, 11:53 | Link #221 | |
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2012-09-13, 22:32 | Link #223 | |
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The canonity of 16.5 is debatable. Strictly speaking, it's like dummied out content in a game, so anything in it is not officially canon - including Kirito's digression on discussing player psychology and the SAO devs thinking of the rule of first adopters. By a strict interpretation, canon is what is shown in the light novels and onscreen - i.e. the exact mechanics of their first time, which is what 16.5 contained, weren't shown in either medium. That said, the anime shows quite clearly that there's a naked Asuna in her bed using a Modesty Bedsheet. This was not part of 16.5, but in 16 proper. Baka-Tsuki took down 16.5 because it wasn't part of the paper release of Vol.1. It's essentially a doujin written by the author, and is therefore not part of Vol.1 proper. It as just as canon as all those Ichika/Char and Ichika/Char/laura doujins that the Infinite Stratos author put out - which is to say, not at all. tl;dr, not officially canon, but it's quite clear they went all the way via fade to black sexy discretion shot. Whether 16.5 is canon or not, Kirito and Asuna did have VR sex.
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2012-09-14, 02:02 | Link #224 | |
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2012-09-14, 07:28 | Link #229 | |
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The button is simply layered (or however this is called) 1. Remove all armor and weapons -> what remains is casual clothing 2. Remove all clothes -> leaving only underwear 3. Remove all underwear -> naked |
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2012-09-14, 11:14 | Link #230 |
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Well this is a question directed to the people who have watched the anime and read novels 1 2 3 so far
I just finished reading Novel 1, should i continue with novel 2, or just skip to novel 3? Novel 2 seems to be 100%ly covered by the anime, just from taking a glance at the chapter names. replace all novels with volumes and you get the drift. |
2012-09-14, 11:33 | Link #231 |
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You get a certain nuance that's missing from the anime. Novel 2 goes into a fair bit of exploration on the world of Aincrad and game mechanics. That said, in terms of perspective, Black Swordsman and Warmth of the Heart are written from the perspectives of Silica and Lizbeth respectively, so you don't get the inner monologue/narration from Kirito.
Skip Red Nosed Reindeer. I totally sympathise with Klein.
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2012-09-14, 22:22 | Link #236 | |
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There is an amazing amount of more detail in the novel as it is written with the thought that everything should be considered and explained, while the anime explaines almost nothing. |
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2012-09-15, 08:18 | Link #237 |
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Well, the anime introduced the characters on a different note, and certain bits of the sidestories should be covered at the end of vol 1 rather than at the points shown in the anime (particularly warmth of the heart part 4). Still i think the anime staff did a decent job, and i'm looking forward to the heartwarming episodes with Yui-chan.
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I don't know what the exact rating is for the SAO L/Ns is, but I imagine it isn't R-18 (or whatever the equivilant to that in Japan is), so 16.5 had to get cut. Quote:
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There's no way of proving or disproving whether it's canon or not, so I it's up to the viewer to decide whether or not it's canon. |
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2012-09-15, 21:00 | Link #239 |
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All valid points above, Aphrah, and I actually agreee with most of what you're saying.
Regards canon, there are two forms of interpretation: one is following Star Wars Expanded Universe, and the other is the Sunrise method. SW EU considers all published works relating to Star Wars to have varying degrees of canon; the movies are Gold level, novels are silver-level (meaning pretty much canon, but things can be retconned later). This sorta works because there's a canon/continuity team that tries to check details in whatever novels that are published. Sunrise follows a different interpretation, which is whatever is actually animated is canon, and novels are "official" but not canon; for instance, the Mobile Suit Gundam novel actually ends with Amuro dead, as opposed to the series where he survives (to die 13 years later . UC. Born to die.) - so following this interpretation, the only things that are canon are the anime episodes. I've chosen to interpret following the SW EU method, where whatever is published is canon - that said, has SAO remained web novel only, and we were discussing the web novel, I agree 16.5 woulda been canon. Once it moved from a web novel to published LN, however, 16.5 no longer became canon. To fall back on my legal training, the light novels are binding precedent, which is true and correct and must be followed. 16.5 is persuasive, meaning that it's very convincing if you use it to support your argument, but doesn't have the full weight the rest of the LN has. tl;dr: Strict interpretation, 16.5 is not canon, however it is persuasive and I personally believe it actually did happen, given who we're talking about And that's the trouble with SAO - this is a series that rewards observation, which is something most anime viewers these days are incapable of doing. ...man, I feel so old. Edit: They probably have to prioritize future eps, but I'm quite disappointed the anime didn't show Asuna soloing that Army section, and just went for the section leader. Oh, well. Can't have everything.
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