2008-09-20, 10:07 | Link #1121 | |
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I like Tsuruya-san's character, but Emiri still looks prettier. The non humans in this show all looked the prettiest for me, Haruhi, Yuki, Ryoko and Emiri.
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2008-09-20, 10:23 | Link #1122 | |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Beauty - Ryoko Cuteness - Emiri Moe - Nagato Yuki.
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2008-09-20, 10:26 | Link #1123 | |
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2008-09-20, 12:34 | Link #1124 |
Mizore-chan
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Also BTW!!! Figma also has "PARTS" for sale. For broken Figma's like Nanoha's hands, legs and even Saber's.
http://goodsmile.info/parts/parts.html Hopefully we'll have a body, arm, groin and leg parts of the SOS dan members to make Teni-kun and Emi-chan. saves money doesn't it?|
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2008-09-20, 13:23 | Link #1125 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Haruhi all the way for me. |
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2008-09-20, 14:08 | Link #1126 | ||
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Of course, it's mainly because she's never actually used in the novels or series... Quote:
Of course, I'm going to agree with you on the Asakura part... thanks to her, I pretty much always expect seemingly nice blue-haired anime girls to go all psycho for no reason
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2008-09-20, 14:13 | Link #1127 | ||
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
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It's not like actually likes her, mind... just that, as a guy, it's something he notices. Quote:
Yuki is loved by everyone, gets all the attention, and has more stories written about her than the title character does. And the whole "true object of affection" thing is really up to Tanigawa, himself a Yuki fanboy... God, I hate Yuki so bloody much. |
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2008-09-20, 15:23 | Link #1128 | |||
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Stories written about Haruhi: Melancholy, Boredom(arguably), Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Live A Live I excluded Editor in Chief, as although it seems like it'd be a Yuki story, Haruhi pretty much hijacked it from the beginning... Quote:
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I will admit that Yuki is often used as a walking Deus ex Machina, however. Besides, there's someone who's even worse than both of them put together. Who's the only person who can actually talk Haruhi out of anything, up to and including the complete destruction of the world? Kyon. Who is it that most of Yuki's actions revolve around? Kyon. Who does Mikuru always run to for protection? Kyon. Who is so manly that pretty boy Itsuki, who could have any girl he wants, goes gay for him? Kyon. Who did Asakura try to kill in order to motivate Haruhi into taking action? Kyon. Which main character's real name do we conveniently never hear? Kyon's. Who manages to figure out how to save the day nearly every story, despite being an "ordinary human?" Kyon. Who "conveniently" shared his fielding position with the author during Boredom? Kyon. Who is the narrator-slash-main-character of this whole thing? KYON. Let's face it, this story is the world's most popular fanfic for a series that doesn't exist, and Kyon's the author-insert character.
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2008-09-20, 16:12 | Link #1129 | |
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Yuki's not a Mary Sue, because she can't do everything. >_> Such as Talking extremely loudly, and making 100 friends any time soon. :U Actually she doesn't even sound like a Mary sue, Ryoko has more of a Mary-sue personality IMO, like, she can probably do the same things as Yuki, its just Yuki has more power, and Ryoko even earned a AAA from Taniguchi. I mean a beauty, gets along with everyone, nice, althletic, etc. Yuki's almost nonexistent in the school. = w=;; Yuki's not loved by Mikuru. =P Also its probably because we know little about Yuki since she never talks much, with Haruhi, well she just RAMBLES ON AND ON. Plus Kyon has the most stories, since almost everything is told in his perpective. Eh Kyon will end up with Haruhi most likely. Just because you're a fan of someone doesn't mean you're going to make her/him end up with the main character. Unless you pull a Digimon.. Plus throughout the novel, Kyon hasn't shown Yuki half as much affection as Haruhi. :U God I love Yuki so bloody much. Though actually one less fan means more for me to love. <33 |
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2008-09-20, 17:31 | Link #1130 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Yuki is just easier to write for really. "Robot-like"/"emotion-less" characters are usually the easiers to write character development stories about, so this is why they tend to get used more often than other characters. Doesn't even have to be a Mary Sue to make it easy.
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I consider Yuki a Mary Sue not because of her powers, but because she gets so much attention compared to characters like Koizumi or Tsuruya, who get no love... in addition, everyone, even Haruhi, who really never openly cared about anyone, loves Yuki. TV Tropes has the following definition of Mary Sue: Quote:
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2008-09-20, 20:30 | Link #1132 |
Gamilas Falls
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The TV Tropes is incorrect on what a Mary Sue is actually.
A Mary Sue is an author insert character. It is bascially the author in the story having all things good (and bad) happen to them. It is actually a Star Trek fandom term from the 1970s. This does not seem to fit Yuki. It fits Kyon and Haruhi more.
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2008-09-20, 20:34 | Link #1133 |
Homo Ludens
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The definition has changed... definitions do that.
And you're saying that TVTropes, which has terms defined by the fandom itself, is wrong? Ha. What you're thinking of is Author Avatar. |
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2008-09-20, 20:52 | Link #1135 |
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Let's try this again, since you've torn up my argument and are really pissing me off the fuck off with your sarcasm.
Maybe using the term "Mary Sue" was a bad idea, given how much the term is used incorrectly. What I mean is that Yuki, being an author favorite, gets entirely too much attention as a character, taking away time that could be spent developing, I don't know, the title character? In addition, she's constantly the Deus Ex, solving everyone's problems constantly, making me wonder who this series is supposed to be about again. Yes, the author has acknowledged this. He's still doing it, even after he nerfed her powers to directly counteract this. Probably the thing that bothers me the most is that she's the only person other than Kyon that Haruhi ever shows any kind of concern about, and it's so sudden... ever since Yuki fell sick in Snow Mountain Syndrome, Haruhi's been acting like a mother hen around her. And it's just that since the cliffhanger of Vol. 9 is "LOLZ YUKI IS SICK AGAIN", I'm afraid that Tanigawa's going to twist it into another Yuki story again... Last edited by Tyabann; 2008-09-20 at 21:06. |
2008-09-21, 00:39 | Link #1136 |
Gamilas Falls
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Being the title character does not always mean you are the actual focus of the story. Sometimes you are the problem of the story. The modifier that everyone else to working to solve or correct. This is more or less Haruhi, the instigator of the majority of the problems or situation, or the main factor for other instigators to cause problems.
Kyon, is in every scene. He is technically the main character seen from a first person perspective. Mikuru, Itsuki, and Yuki are his supports in dealing with Haruhi or whatever is happened because or potentially to Haruhi. Your beef is that Yuki gets too many of the stories over Haruhi is not the issue, since Haruhi is still the root of all their problems. Taking up time from Mikuru and Itsuki, that is a different problem. The basic answer is that Yuki is the easiest to write. And author will tend to go for what is easiest in a complex plot. It is easiest to get character development out of the character that is least human...because anything is a development. Itsuki and Mikuru have there moments, but unless they are in "closed space" Itsuki has no powers aside from his brain and connections...which he does use in many of their situations. Mikuru has her body, which she seems to be reluctant to use, and her time travel ability, which she does use from time to time. Other than that she doesn't have a purpose aside from "pleasing" Haruhi. This could be a trap, or it could be exactly that...she's there because it was her that went...a time loop so to speak. Yuki has the "firepower" of the team and knowledge of different thing not Earth related. If the sutuation calls for Earth knowledge, Itsuki is likely to have the answer, including some pretty advanced theories. Mikuru is "mostly useless", but has her moments as well. But at the basic level, it is Kyon's story about how they keep Haruhi safe, calm, entertained, and in the dark about her powers. All support members basically answer to Kyon when they aren't serving Haruhi's needs. Mikuru takes Kyon's time travel requests seriously (and gets confirmation from the future on the events she needs to perform). Itsuki "consults" Kyon on all happening and theories. Also seems to be Kyon's local intellegence network of Haruhi related happening. Yuki fuctionally responds to Kyon. She follows his orders, and not always Haruhi's until confirmed with Kyon. She also never calls him by any name, always in the second person. Kyon is their key to Haruhi..there random element. They must protect him. In other news...why are we talking about this on the Merchandise thread? I didn't even realize this was the Merchandise thread until now.
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2008-09-21, 00:41 | Link #1137 | |
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2008-09-21, 02:15 | Link #1138 |
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http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...zxf-43-9k.html
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...zdl-43-9k.html
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2008-09-21, 11:02 | Link #1139 |
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Thanks for the heads up on that detail kenjiharima. My bad on not including that.
Thought that means that you can only have Kyon or Tanguchi and Tsuruya or Emiri, kind of takes away the bit about owning all the respective character's figmas. Though I agree that it would facilitate a faster 'release' as Orb01 mentioned. I was planning on posing them, having them sit around the tea tray set from the Nagato Bad Witch ver. So now I'm going to be short a body for Emiri...unless I buy another TMOSH female figma or pray that MF/GSC releases them later on.
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2008-09-21, 11:16 | Link #1140 |
Mizore-chan
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Well if your planning to pose them like I do, I suggest if you got the budget get another Kyon and Tsuruya figure then you can have Tani,Kyon and Itsuki the 3 humanoids, Mikuru and Haruhi.
No imouto yet? Hmmm...they might as well release an adult figma Mikuru with imouto long with her since imouto is small.
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