Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by Ricadan

I know that you think the life counseling Kirino wanted at the end is a way for her to set ground rules on how to keep their relationship platonic, but if this were really the case why would Fushimi put that last kiss in the end in the first place? He could have just left it at them deciding to return to normal siblings, and nothing more than that, he doesn't need to create extra conflict if he's not going to address it.

"When we get home we're having a life counseling!" Since I just showed how this can't be her setting ground rules for a continued sibling relationship, this statement can only mean her wanting to discuss their continued romantic relationship. Their secret is not a past they choose to forget, but a future they choose to pursue.

Also this thread keeps going back to the same topics over and over. Finalfury is right, our topics need less homogeneity, otherwise we're just wasting space.

You're still choosing to view the scene in your own certain way, and perhaps the homogeneity finalfury is talking about is the fact that everyone seems to share the same opinion on where they go with their relationship at the end because right after that he said "though it might turn into a flarestorm."

I'm here to offer alternate viewpoints on how I perceive the ending in the context of where they might go as it isn't 100% clear no matter what "evidence" you claim. I'm not saying my position is better or more important than anyone else's and certainly not saying you have to agree with me. I'm here to discuss Oreimo and if that means I have different opinions on things I don't know why that is a problem, this is a forum for discussion not an echo chamber with everyone agreeing with each other.

[KronosPlasma]

So Kirino Says "Don't treat me like a little child any further". Manami make her statement. kirino chooses to reply by acting like one anyway. That would piss anyone off hell even Kyousuke says he wonted to to snap on her.
I hope the show doesn't pull it's punches with the fight.

That aside you really get a good look at the true Manami. Not the one everyone keeps calling a shit and evil, but her feelings for both of them. It's just sad the author didn't show more of it though out the novel. She might not have got all the hate she has now. Well /a/ would still hate her for standing in the way.
Honestly I hope in the ova's there friendship can be restored.

last thought.
I don't think the siblings well ever cross the line to say.
Looking back on the story they have a hard time getting though the sex screens in the games. With out having that awkward feeling so I don't thing they'll do that. Plus Kyousuke seems like he doesn't wont to take it that far. Kirino who knows she seem to want to test the waters, but it looks like she'll chicken out if things get to hot.

Manami sub boss Society Final Boss.

[s0beit]

Originally Posted by tommythecat

You're still choosing to view the scene in your own certain way, and perhaps the homogeneity finalfury is talking about is the fact that everyone seems to share the same opinion on where they go with their relationship at the end because right after that he said "though it might turn into a flarestorm."

I'm here to offer alternate viewpoints on how I perceive the ending in the context of where they might go as it isn't 100% clear no matter what "evidence" you claim. I'm not saying my position is better or more important than anyone else's and certainly not saying you have to agree with me. I'm here to discuss Oreimo and if that means I have different opinions on things I don't know why that is a problem, this is a forum for discussion not an echo chamber with everyone agreeing with each other.

1. You aren't reading summaries or novels. I really have a hard time listening to you for this reason alone, but even then, I know from other communities I frequent that you've been complaining about the ending since before any real spoilers were out. Your bias is clear. About your lack of reading the source material, you keep saying your opinion is just as 'valid' even though you haven't, and I hope you know everyone believes you're an idiot for that reason. It obviously is not.
2. Frankly, you are beyond the point of offering 'alternative viewpoints'. Given what the author said, and the developments of the entire series up until now, you are approaching the precipice of delusion, or trolling. Either way.
3. Yes. Indeed. Everyone is against you. Indeed, this is also not an echo chamber and it is a forum for discussion. However, people are getting tired of humoring your attempt at 'discussion', because your definition of 'discussion' seems to be hamfistingly jamming your 'opinion' in everyone's face, at every turn, when nobody was talking to you and when nobody asked for your words. If I was replying to every post with 'You know, Manami probably killed herself after this novel' and just kept pressing it, even while everyone was disagreeing with me, yeah, people would get mad.

It could be that I'm a little cranky since I've just woken up, but I don't think anything I've said is false. In the end, I think I should just say this:
Maybe tommythecat is right. Either you accept the ending as-is and speculate no further, or your wildest, stupidest delusions can come true.

If that's the case, arguing about it is pointless to begin with.
In that line of thinking, I am now an advocate of "Just stop replying to him, because it is a waste of precious human life and energy".

[NoemiChan]

....at least... above all... I got my most desired ending.... now.... the baby.... this is fiction anyway... like Yosuga.....

[tommythecat]

s0beit, you don't like me and I'm okay that.

To your first point, what sites might you be talking about 4chan? CR? reddit? I don't use 4chan so can't be that. You're correct I hold a different bias and that is that their love for each other is not driven ONLY by romantic intentions. They love each other as siblings as well so to say with 100% certainty their relationship continues as romantic is just as much bias. I've read major event spoilers and skimmed all of the summaries(though at this point I might as well just read them to shut you up about somehow not understanding the events) to get a sense of what happens.

To you're second point, If there was evidence that 100% proves that I'm wrong in there someone would have already posted it. Everything people claim about knowing the authors intent or drawing conclusions of events is conjecture, same as my views.

And the 3rd, the only people who seem truly bothered by it are you and restless. I don't agree with other peoples opinions and they don't agree with mine but they are respectful when we debate back and forth. You and restless have really not been. Your position is in that of the majority and you like to claim that it is the only right answer but no where has anything be said or proven that the relationship continues the exact way you claim it does.

Edit: Also I've read all the novels save for the final, I don't know what gave you the idea I've not.

[risingstar3110]

I was rereading an old (yuri!!) manga, Ebisu-san and Hotei-san a few days ago, and thought its ambiguous ending time skip was one of the better ambiguous ending (considering how homosexual ending is also one of the slight taboo). And i hopes Oreimo time-skip at least will match that or be better. In that manga, the present ending ended with both the main character realised the feeling was mutual, and unsure on their future hardship. Open ending then. Then the time skip a couple years (3-4 years) down the line, and we look into their relationship through Ebisu's niece eyes. It's just one page, where the niece walks into the living room and see the pair of two main characters were flirting on the couch, and showed to be incredibly happy with each other (the niece actually called both of them 'mothers'). They didn't actually spell out how both entered a romantic or sexual relationship, but the screen of the main characters showing to be incredibly happy with each other was kinda made it less significant, and simply satisfied.



Back to Oreimo, i mean if i have to write an ending, and a ambiguous one at that to avoid back-slash, i think i will also follow that route. Maybe from one of Kuroneko sisters' POV for example. She will go on about how her sister doing right now, then maybe Ayase, Minami, Saori through various plot device (like one of them tutor her, meet up on the street along with Kuroneko, etc..). Then approaching the end of the story, she will accidentally walked pass by Kirino and Kyousuke on the street (hand in hand or not) showing to be really happy and content with each other. If the author want to be brave, mention how one of them are kindergarten teacher (Kirino will have more impact), and seeing the two walking amongst a group of 3-4 kids.

That will imply lots of things: they are together, they are happy, they may have children or not, but generally their lives are entrusted and accepted by the society. And we see them from a third person perspective so it opens lots of rooms for us to interpret. Will be interesting if anyone can think of a better ending!

[zubalikei]

Yes:

Manami sub boss Society Final Boss.

Looking this perspective, even though the end of novel seems happy, the future of Kyousuke and Kirino seems like a shadow, as said by Manami:

...The more honest Kirino-chan's feelings are, the more she grows up, without changing, then the more unhappy will you become...

It can't be helped. Thinking that the Society and family will never accept the love between them and considering that they will continue to love, their lifes will have always a tone of sadness (deep in their hearts).
There is the possibility the two stay together or, like we say in Brazil "Kicking the tent pole" and see everything fall apart (with marriage, babies and everything else, hehehe), but I don't think they could do this.

This story is so greaaat!... it makes me more and more touched, excited. I almost cried.... hehehehe...

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by s0beit

1. You aren't reading summaries or novels. I really have a hard time listening to you for this reason alone, but even then, I know from other communities I frequent that you've been complaining about the ending since before any real spoilers were out. Your bias is clear. About your lack of reading the source material, you keep saying your opinion is just as 'valid' even though you haven't, and I hope you know everyone believes you're an idiot for that reason. It obviously is not.
2. Frankly, you are beyond the point of offering 'alternative viewpoints'. Given what the author said, and the developments of the entire series up until now, you are approaching the precipice of delusion, or trolling. Either way.
3. Yes. Indeed. Everyone is against you. Indeed, this is also not an echo chamber and it is a forum for discussion. However, people are getting tired of humoring your attempt at 'discussion', because your definition of 'discussion' seems to be hamfistingly jamming your 'opinion' in everyone's face, at every turn, when nobody was talking to you and when nobody asked for your words. If I was replying to every post with 'You know, Manami probably killed herself after this novel' and just kept pressing it, even while everyone was disagreeing with me, yeah, people would get mad.

It could be that I'm a little cranky since I've just woken up, but I don't think anything I've said is false. In the end, I think I should just say this:
Maybe tommythecat is right. Either you accept the ending as-is and speculate no further, or your wildest, stupidest delusions can come true.

If that's the case, arguing about it is pointless to begin with.
In that line of thinking, I am now an advocate of "Just stop replying to him, because it is a waste of precious human life and energy".

sigh,when i come to VVV topic there is flame and when i come to oreimo there is also fire, i personally think that you are a little harsh here, it might be true that he irritated you( who knows, i'm not you) but a waste of precious human life and energy is a little harsh.
Regarding bias, all human are Biased in their own view, if you aren't, you are either a emotionally dulled or a psychopath, and tommy, i believe i post it before but your way of express your opininon can be easily misunderstand and the discussion most of the time strayed from the main point, in novel reading, unless the author explained himself, each person have their own perception, some might be similar, some might be conflicted, accept it(this is to both of you), if someone tell you that the person you love is cheating on you, will you believe them straight way ? no, you will question why do they know that and ask them to back it up with evidence, same thing is going with you guy's disscusion.

[Kakurin]

Part 5 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 5 Final Chapter:

- After Manami had left, there were only me and Kirino left in the park.
- Released from that enormous tension, I let out a sigh.
- "Huh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. Yare, yare, for now we have passed that tough challenge."
- "Passing the tough challenge ---- what the heck!"
- Pang! Kirino's slap and insult struck me.
- "Wha, wha, wha..... what was that just now? A, a, are you, stu, stupid or what!?"
- "You are absolutely not speaking Japanes right now ----- a, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts!"
- Don't pang, pang, pang, beat me up ---- honestly.
- Kirino's face turned a red pandemonium.
- "Stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!"
- "Where was I being stupid? I can't understand it, if you don't say it clearly.
- "Everywhere! Everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere! Just now ---- not just now.... how stupid have you become, in order to accomodate for my capriciousness! Do you understand!?"
- "I do understand."
- Not only for my imouto, but also for myself.
- "You do understand!? Because you love your imouto... so many people, so many people... have managed to confess to you... even though you absolutely are not popular ----- super idiot!"
- "That's true. Everybody, everybody were great girls who wasted themselves on me. Such an impressive thing won't come again in my life."
- I, did something that could never be redeemed.
- No matter how many people you ask, they will probably all say that I am an idiot.
- As this tasteless and ugly truth appeared, I really did drop a tear, when looking back.
- How big an idiot am I.
- But even so, this has been settled. It was my own will, my own decision.
- So, therefore I can't avoid doing this.
- "I mean how gross! Us two, we are really disgusting! I don't believe it."
- "That's trued."
- Abnormal and disgusting, incredible.
- It absolutely is like that, even if I wanted, I couldn't deny this.
- "Even though siblings can't marry! Even though we have to keep this a secret! After everything has finished.... even though nothing will be left at your side! You still ------!"
- Kirino once again ---- wanted to speak out that [agreement] she nearly spoke out before, as I stopped her again.
- I put my hand on the head of my crying imouto and patted her.
- "What are you still spouting."
- I smiled while speaking.
- Weren't you in the beginning also an incredible disgusting person who played eroge, though you were only a middle schooler and refused to face the world?
- It's only that this aspect has also infected me.
- Not as an aniki who protected his imouto, but as a member of the disgusting people party. (?)
- "So, Kirino-----"
- Then, I flashed a smile, and probably looked even more like a naive little child than three years before.
- "Let's go and get married."
- The line that is only spoken once in a lifetime, I was prepared to say it for quite some time now.

- Then we held a marriage ceremony just for the two of us.
- In the church, at which I once picked up Kirino. In the silent chapel, chairs were lined up to the left and right. A cross hung on the central wall, with the altar right in front of it. Solemn light flooded through those painted windows. And before the altar ---- I wore a suit, while Kirino wore a completely white wedding dress, standing face to face.
- "..... that's really incredible. You honestly prepared something so elaborate."
- "Since Christmas, haven't you always said [siblings can't marry], saying it over and over again."
- So, concerning issues like the changing techniques, the preparation of the venue and clothes, I used all my powers and relationships to organize this day. In the end, I am only a guy that relies on others, sorry about that.
- "So, this, do.... you want to marry me?"
- Having already gone this far, what should I do if she says no. I was afraid inside, while I asked her.
- "You don't want to?"
- Kirino shook her head.
- "It's not that I don't want to."
- Gyu, just like that, she hugged me from the front.
- "It's not that I don't want to....! I'm very happy! Honestly, really, really happy!"
- ".... I see."
- She's so shy. That reminds me, this was the first time since dated, that we hugged like that.
- That's so sad. (?)
- There was no one here, and while this cold chapel seemed to suggest something for the future, my heart was warm.
- Kirino slowly raised her head.
- There were no congratulating friends here, no priest and also no parents.
- Only us two, looking at each other for a time.
- Then, finally, Kirino started to slowly open her mouth,
- "Aniki"
- "Mhm?"
- "Kyousuke"
- "What?"
- Kirino, behaved like there were two of me present, and called me twice.
- "You always accomodated my capriciousness, thank you."
- "Hehe --- you're welcome. ---- why are you still saying something like that? You know, that ruins the atmosphere?"
- I showed a tough smile, as Kirino also smiled.
- "Right now.... I am reminiscing many past experiences."
- "What a coincidence, me too."
- Many, many different past experiences.
- Reconciling with the imouto I had a bad relationship with, due to many little opportunities.
- Nearly two years have already passed.
- Us two together, have created many memories.
- If we would immerse ourselves into this [recollecting scenery], we surely won't get out of it in this life.
- Kirino, still hugging me, said,
- ".... that I, am your imouto, is really great. .... how about you?"
- "...... idiot."
- Is there a need to ask this?
- "Me too. ---- running from east to west in these two years due to your life-counseling sessions. Despite all those angering matters, but these were also not bad. Doing stupid things with those idiots.... quarreling with you numerous times... and I even became one of your otaku comrades ---- I honestly am very happy."
- "I see."
- "Being your aniki, is really great."
- ".... I see. Then that's great."
- Kirino nodded like she was very satisfied.
- After [dating for many months], how it was. That's something you will understand even if I don't say it out loud.
- In the end ----
- Between us no miracles like in those games happened.
- The barriers we siblings had erected still existed, as we couldn't do much about it. (?)
- Just like that (?),we reache the [day of the agreement].
- Kirino said in a mischievous tone,
- "So? Is there something that should be done next?"
- "Of course.... as it's a wedding ceremony. What else can there be."
- "You are meaning?"
- "Ku.... you do know what I mean, right?"
- "Huhihi~"
- Kirino laughed in her unique way.
- ".... mhm"

- Kirino closed her eyes and slightly pursed her lips.
- I quietly hugged the bride's back ----

- And kissed my imouto.

- "... ah ~ ah, we did it!"
- "We did it."
- After finishing the wedding ceremony we smiled like a pair of children whose prank had worked out.
- "That it was with you, this feeling's not bad."
- ".... do you have have more experience?" (?)
- "Of course it was the first time! And I'm not talking about the kiss, it's about the wedding!"
- Kirino once again showed an angry face.
- "I, I see... then thank you. After doing so much preparation, this has been rewarded."
- "Th... then, this last feeling is also not bad. Then according the the agreement, shall we hold it right here?"
- "That's true" I forced a lively answer: "Then let's do this"

- [illustration p. 365]

- "Mhm"
- Kirino smile and nodded.
- Christmas that day ---- we made an [agreement]

- --- until the graduation, we are a time-limited couple.
- --- after graduation, we are going back to normal siblings.

- For a couple of siblings in love, this should be the realistic ending.
- There's no need for Manami to tell us that.
- Before --- the lines I prevented Kirino from speaking out loud, were just those.
- Kirino was probably also surprised. Despite saying this clearly would have resolved that matter to a certain degree, I actually blurted out those lines ---- looking back I really did ask to get killed.
- But, it's good like that. Because I replied with my most honest and most true answer.
- The me back then, absolutely did not speak any lie, everything was true.
- So --- it was due to this agreement, that we went out as a time-limited couple, which enabled us to live a couple's life to it's full extent without any regrets.
- And these days end today.
- "Good, that was it!"
- Kirino used both hands to push me slightly away.
- "This, I return to you."
- While speaking, Kirino took down the wedding ring and handed it over. The ring, that I helped Kirino in putting it on.
- I used only one hand do silently take this ring, while the other still continued hugging Kirino's back....
- "...................."
- ".................."
- "That's about it, how long do you intend to keep intimately hugging your sister? We are not lovers anymore, so let go."
- "Yes, yes."
- We returned from being lovers to being siblings, returned to the state of dating nobody.
- Nobody was at my side and I also couldn't take anyone back.
- That was my choice.
- We changed back into our school uniforms and left the church
- Then, we already no longer held hands.

Final Chapter end

[zeko]

ok, i ignored all the rustle until i got a clear summary from here http://oreimo.wikia.com/wiki/Ore_no_...ovel_Volume_12

not sure if it is true so excuse me if i say something that is not correct.

i don't care who he ends up with and i have yet to read the novel but if the summery is true than the epilogue seems boring.

the two of them marrying at a church but no one besides them being there seems a bit sad considering the friendships they had over the past 11 volumes.

ruri was unfortunately shafted in favor of manami (i actually like her [manami] character from the start and now she is even more awesome XD) but it makes sense because she is the closest to "normal" or as someone pointed out "represent society's views". still, given that ruri is the "rivel" for kirino, it would have been nice if there was more for her to do than "what? i got rejected? *next day* ok, now i am ok with it now".

as far as for me, i never saw the connection between kirino and her brother as lovers but i guess it is a preference thing more than anything else.

lastly, kyuske should have sticked with kirino and not decide to "not be with anyone romantically anymore". it is like the author is trying to please anyone but it was too late.

all in all............ meh, could have been done better :/ (summery alone. have yet to read the novel so please don't be harsh on me XD)

sidenote: did the desteny record/book thing ruri had EVER made sense to anyone? idk, i thought it was something that the author wanted to do more with but didn't or cut in half or a reason for ruri and kyuske to split up.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Part 5 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 5 Final Chapter:

- After Manami had left, there were only me and Kirino left in the park.
- Released from that enormous tension, I let out a sigh.
- "Huh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. Yare, yare, for now we have passed that tough challenge."
- "Passing the tough challenge ---- what the heck!"
- Pang! Kirino's slap and insult struck me.
- "Wha, wha, wha..... what was that just now? A, a, are you, stu, stupid or what!?"
- "You are absolutely not speaking Japanes right now ----- a, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts!"
- Don't pang, pang, pang, beat me up ---- honestly.
- Kirino's face turned a red pandemonium.
- "Stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!"
- "Where was I being stupid? I can't understand it, if you don't say it clearly.
- "Everywhere! Everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere! Just now ---- not just now.... how stupid have you become, in order to accomodate for my capriciousness! Do you understand!?"
- "I do understand."
- Not only for my imouto, but also for myself.
- "You do understand!? Because you love your imouto... so many people, so many people... have managed to confess to you... even though you absolutely are not popular ----- super idiot!"
- "That's true. Everybody, everybody were great girls who wasted themselves on me. Such an impressive thing won't come again in my life."
- I, did something that could never be redeemed.
- No matter how many people you ask, they will probably all say that I am an idiot.
- As this tasteless and ugly truth appeared, I really did drop a tear, when looking back.
- How big an idiot am I.
- But even so, this has been settled. It was my own will, my own decision.
- So, therefore I can't avoid doing this.
- "I mean how gross! Us two, we are really disgusting! I don't believe it."
- "That's trued."
- Abnormal and disgusting, incredible.
- It absolutely is like that, even if I wanted, I couldn't deny this.
- "Even though siblings can't marry! Even though we have to keep this a secret! After everything has finished.... even though nothing will be left at your side! You still ------!"
- Kirino once again ---- wanted to speak out that [agreement] she nearly spoke out before, as I stopped her again.
- I put my hand on the head of my crying imouto and patted her.
- "What are you still spouting."
- I smiled while speaking.
- Weren't you in the beginning also an incredible disgusting person who played eroge, though you were only a middle schooler and refused to face the world?
- It's only that this aspect has also infected me.
- Not as an aniki who protected his imouto, but as a member of the disgusting people party. (?)
- "So, Kirino-----"
- Then, I flashed a smile, and probably looked even more like a naive little child than three years before.
- "Let's go and get married."
- The line that is only spoken once in a lifetime, I was prepared to say it for quite some time now.

- Then we held a marriage ceremony just for the two of us.
- In the church, at which I once picked up Kirino. In the silent chapel, chairs were lined up to the left and right. A cross hung on the central wall, with the altar right in front of it. Solemn light flooded through those painted windows. And before the altar ---- I wore a suit, while Kirino wore a completely white wedding dress, standing face to face.
- "..... that's really incredible. You honestly prepared something so elaborate."
- "Since Christmas, haven't you always said [siblings can't marry], saying it over and over again."
- So, concerning issues like the changing techniques, the preparation of the venue and clothes, I used all my powers and relationships to organize this day. In the end, I am only a guy that relies on others, sorry about that.
- "So, this, do.... you want to marry me?"
- Having already gone this far, what should I do if she says no. I was afraid inside, while I asked her.
- "You don't want to?"
- Kirino shook her head.
- "It's not that I don't want to."
- Gyu, just like that, she hugged me from the front.
- "It's not that I don't want to....! I'm very happy! Honestly, really, really happy!"
- ".... I see."
- She's so shy. That reminds me, this was the first time since dated, that we hugged like that.
- That's so sad. (?)
- There was no one here, and while this cold chapel seemed to suggest something for the future, my heart was warm.
- Kirino slowly raised her head.
- There were no congratulating friends here, no priest and also no parents.
- Only us two, looking at each other for a time.
- Then, finally, Kirino started to slowly open her mouth,
- "Aniki"
- "Mhm?"
- "Kyousuke"
- "What?"
- Kirino, behaved like there were two of me present, and called me twice.
- "You always accomodated my capriciousness, thank you."
- "Hehe --- you're welcome. ---- why are you still saying something like that? You know, that ruins the atmosphere?"
- I showed a tough smile, as Kirino also smiled.
- "Right now.... I am reminiscing many past experiences."
- "What a coincidence, me too."
- Many, many different past experiences.
- Reconciling with the imouto I had a bad relationship with, due to many little opportunities.
- Nearly two years have already passed.
- Us two together, have created many memories.
- If we would immerse ourselves into this [recollecting scenery], we surely won't get out of it in this life.
- Kirino, still hugging me, said,
- ".... that I, am your imouto, is really great. .... how about you?"
- "...... idiot."
- Is there a need to ask this?
- "Me too. ---- running from east to west in these two years due to your life-counseling sessions. Despite all those angering matters, but these were also not bad. Doing stupid things with those idiots.... quarreling with you numerous times... and I even became one of your otaku comrades ---- I honestly am very happy."
- "I see."
- "Being your aniki, is really great."
- ".... I see. Then that's great."
- Kirino nodded like she was very satisfied.
- After [dating for many months], how it was. That's something you will understand even if I don't say it out loud.
- In the end ----
- Between us no miracles like in those games happened.
- The barriers we siblings had erected still existed, as we couldn't do much about it. (?)
- Just like that (?),we reache the [day of the agreement].
- Kirino said in a mischievous tone,
- "So? Is there something that should be done next?"
- "Of course.... as it's a wedding ceremony. What else can there be."
- "You are meaning?"
- "Ku.... you do know what I mean, right?"
- "Huhihi~"
- Kirino laughed in her unique way.
- ".... mhm"

- Kirino closed her eyes and slightly pursed her lips.
- I quietly hugged the bride's back ----

- And kissed my imouto.

- "... ah ~ ah, we did it!"
- "We did it."
- After finishing the wedding ceremony we smiled like a pair of children whose prank had worked out.
- "That it was with you, this feeling's not bad."
- ".... do you have have more experience?" (?)
- "Of course it was the first time! And I'm not talking about the kiss, it's about the wedding!"
- Kirino once again showed an angry face.
- "I, I see... then thank you. After doing so much preparation, this has been rewarded."
- "Th... then, this last feeling is also not bad. Then according the the agreement, shall we hold it right here?"
- "That's true" I forced a lively answer: "Then let's do this"

- [illustration p. 365]

- "Mhm"
- Kirino smile and nodded.
- Christmas that day ---- we made an [agreement]

- --- until the graduation, we are a time-limited couple.
- --- after graduation, we are going back to normal siblings.

- For a couple of siblings in love, this should be the realistic ending.
- There's no need for Manami to tell us that.
- Before --- the lines I prevented Kirino from speaking out loud, were just those.
- Kirino was probably also surprised. Despite saying this clearly would have resolved that matter to a certain degree, I actually blurted out those lines ---- looking back I really did ask to get killed.
- But, it's good like that. Because I replied with my most honest and most true answer.
- The me back then, absolutely did not speak any lie, everything was true.
- So --- it was due to this agreement, that we went out as a time-limited couple, which enabled us to live a couple's life to it's full extent without any regrets.
- And these days end today.
- "Good, that was it!"
- Kirino used both hands to push me slightly away.
- "This, I return to you."
- While speaking, Kirino took down the wedding ring and handed it over. The ring, that I helped Kirino in putting it on.
- I used only one hand do silently take this ring, while the other still continued hugging Kirino's back....
- "...................."
- ".................."
- "That's about it, how long do you intend to keep intimately hugging your sister? We are not lovers anymore, so let go."
- "Yes, yes."
- We returned from being lovers to being siblings, returned to the state of dating nobody.
- Nobody was at my side and I also couldn't take anyone back.
- That was my choice.
- We changed back into our school uniforms and left the church
- Then, we already no longer held hands.

Final Chapter end

Cant help but cry :'( :'( :'( really this is GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: They better animate this part so perfectly or else I'll go nuts,really *sob*

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by zeko

sidenote: did the desteny record/book thing ruri had EVER made sense to anyone? idk, i thought it was something that the author wanted to do more with but didn't or cut in half or a reason for ruri and kyuske to split up.

Well, it did foreshadow events like the crazy crying face ahead of a picture of Kirino and Kyousuke in a happy relationship. It was not really use- or senseless at all.

[BladeEntity]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Well, it did foreshadow events like the crazy crying face ahead of a picture of Kirino and Kyousuke in a happy relationship. It was not really use- or senseless at all.

From my point of view, it was Ruri allowing Kyousuke to move on from thier past relationship. The book is strongly tied to thier memories as a couple. When she tore it up, Kyousuke felt like it was the memories they created being torn too, but he didn't stop her because he already made his decision. She basically frees him from thier past to allows pick the route he decided upon without anything holding him back. She does not want to have anything to tie him back to her.

[pampz21]

Wow so in the end they choose to get married but, the true end is that refuse to love another person.....I guess its a cliffhanger we dont see any hint of them being together or finding another love one!

[Soverence]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Part 5 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 5 Final Chapter:

- After Manami had left, there were only me and Kirino left in the park.
- Released from that enormous tension, I let out a sigh.
- "Huh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. Yare, yare, for now we have passed that tough challenge."
- "Passing the tough challenge ---- what the heck!"
- Pang! Kirino's slap and insult struck me.
- "Wha, wha, wha..... what was that just now? A, a, are you, stu, stupid or what!?"
- "You are absolutely not speaking Japanes right now ----- a, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts!"
- Don't pang, pang, pang, beat me up ---- honestly.
- Kirino's face turned a red pandemonium.
- "Stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!"
- "Where was I being stupid? I can't understand it, if you don't say it clearly.
- "Everywhere! Everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere! Just now ---- not just now.... how stupid have you become, in order to accomodate for my capriciousness! Do you understand!?"
- "I do understand."
- Not only for my imouto, but also for myself.
- "You do understand!? Because you love your imouto... so many people, so many people... have managed to confess to you... even though you absolutely are not popular ----- super idiot!"
- "That's true. Everybody, everybody were great girls who wasted themselves on me. Such an impressive thing won't come again in my life."
- I, did something that could never be redeemed.
- No matter how many people you ask, they will probably all say that I am an idiot.
- As this tasteless and ugly truth appeared, I really did drop a tear, when looking back.
- How big an idiot am I.
- But even so, this has been settled. It was my own will, my own decision.
- So, therefore I can't avoid doing this.
- "I mean how gross! Us two, we are really disgusting! I don't believe it."
- "That's trued."
- Abnormal and disgusting, incredible.
- It absolutely is like that, even if I wanted, I couldn't deny this.
- "Even though siblings can't marry! Even though we have to keep this a secret! After everything has finished.... even though nothing will be left at your side! You still ------!"
- Kirino once again ---- wanted to speak out that [agreement] she nearly spoke out before, as I stopped her again.
- I put my hand on the head of my crying imouto and patted her.
- "What are you still spouting."
- I smiled while speaking.
- Weren't you in the beginning also an incredible disgusting person who played eroge, though you were only a middle schooler and refused to face the world?
- It's only that this aspect has also infected me.
- Not as an aniki who protected his imouto, but as a member of the disgusting people party. (?)
- "So, Kirino-----"
- Then, I flashed a smile, and probably looked even more like a naive little child than three years before.
- "Let's go and get married."
- The line that is only spoken once in a lifetime, I was prepared to say it for quite some time now.

- Then we held a marriage ceremony just for the two of us.
- In the church, at which I once picked up Kirino. In the silent chapel, chairs were lined up to the left and right. A cross hung on the central wall, with the altar right in front of it. Solemn light flooded through those painted windows. And before the altar ---- I wore a suit, while Kirino wore a completely white wedding dress, standing face to face.
- "..... that's really incredible. You honestly prepared something so elaborate."
- "Since Christmas, haven't you always said [siblings can't marry], saying it over and over again."
- So, concerning issues like the changing techniques, the preparation of the venue and clothes, I used all my powers and relationships to organize this day. In the end, I am only a guy that relies on others, sorry about that.
- "So, this, do.... you want to marry me?"
- Having already gone this far, what should I do if she says no. I was afraid inside, while I asked her.
- "You don't want to?"
- Kirino shook her head.
- "It's not that I don't want to."
- Gyu, just like that, she hugged me from the front.
- "It's not that I don't want to....! I'm very happy! Honestly, really, really happy!"
- ".... I see."
- She's so shy. That reminds me, this was the first time since dated, that we hugged like that.
- That's so sad. (?)
- There was no one here, and while this cold chapel seemed to suggest something for the future, my heart was warm.
- Kirino slowly raised her head.
- There were no congratulating friends here, no priest and also no parents.
- Only us two, looking at each other for a time.
- Then, finally, Kirino started to slowly open her mouth,
- "Aniki"
- "Mhm?"
- "Kyousuke"
- "What?"
- Kirino, behaved like there were two of me present, and called me twice.
- "You always accomodated my capriciousness, thank you."
- "Hehe --- you're welcome. ---- why are you still saying something like that? You know, that ruins the atmosphere?"
- I showed a tough smile, as Kirino also smiled.
- "Right now.... I am reminiscing many past experiences."
- "What a coincidence, me too."
- Many, many different past experiences.
- Reconciling with the imouto I had a bad relationship with, due to many little opportunities.
- Nearly two years have already passed.
- Us two together, have created many memories.
- If we would immerse ourselves into this [recollecting scenery], we surely won't get out of it in this life.
- Kirino, still hugging me, said,
- ".... that I, am your imouto, is really great. .... how about you?"
- "...... idiot."
- Is there a need to ask this?
- "Me too. ---- running from east to west in these two years due to your life-counseling sessions. Despite all those angering matters, but these were also not bad. Doing stupid things with those idiots.... quarreling with you numerous times... and I even became one of your otaku comrades ---- I honestly am very happy."
- "I see."
- "Being your aniki, is really great."
- ".... I see. Then that's great."
- Kirino nodded like she was very satisfied.
- After [dating for many months], how it was. That's something you will understand even if I don't say it out loud.
- In the end ----
- Between us no miracles like in those games happened.
- The barriers we siblings had erected still existed, as we couldn't do much about it. (?)
- Just like that (?),we reache the [day of the agreement].
- Kirino said in a mischievous tone,
- "So? Is there something that should be done next?"
- "Of course.... as it's a wedding ceremony. What else can there be."
- "You are meaning?"
- "Ku.... you do know what I mean, right?"
- "Huhihi~"
- Kirino laughed in her unique way.
- ".... mhm"

- Kirino closed her eyes and slightly pursed her lips.
- I quietly hugged the bride's back ----

- And kissed my imouto.

- "... ah ~ ah, we did it!"
- "We did it."
- After finishing the wedding ceremony we smiled like a pair of children whose prank had worked out.
- "That it was with you, this feeling's not bad."
- ".... do you have have more experience?" (?)
- "Of course it was the first time! And I'm not talking about the kiss, it's about the wedding!"
- Kirino once again showed an angry face.
- "I, I see... then thank you. After doing so much preparation, this has been rewarded."
- "Th... then, this last feeling is also not bad. Then according the the agreement, shall we hold it right here?"
- "That's true" I forced a lively answer: "Then let's do this"

- [illustration p. 365]

- "Mhm"
- Kirino smile and nodded.
- Christmas that day ---- we made an [agreement]

- --- until the graduation, we are a time-limited couple.
- --- after graduation, we are going back to normal siblings.

- For a couple of siblings in love, this should be the realistic ending.
- There's no need for Manami to tell us that.
- Before --- the lines I prevented Kirino from speaking out loud, were just those.
- Kirino was probably also surprised. Despite saying this clearly would have resolved that matter to a certain degree, I actually blurted out those lines ---- looking back I really did ask to get killed.
- But, it's good like that. Because I replied with my most honest and most true answer.
- The me back then, absolutely did not speak any lie, everything was true.
- So --- it was due to this agreement, that we went out as a time-limited couple, which enabled us to live a couple's life to it's full extent without any regrets.
- And these days end today.
- "Good, that was it!"
- Kirino used both hands to push me slightly away.
- "This, I return to you."
- While speaking, Kirino took down the wedding ring and handed it over. The ring, that I helped Kirino in putting it on.
- I used only one hand do silently take this ring, while the other still continued hugging Kirino's back....
- "...................."
- ".................."
- "That's about it, how long do you intend to keep intimately hugging your sister? We are not lovers anymore, so let go."
- "Yes, yes."
- We returned from being lovers to being siblings, returned to the state of dating nobody.
- Nobody was at my side and I also couldn't take anyone back.
- That was my choice.
- We changed back into our school uniforms and left the church
- Then, we already no longer held hands.

Final Chapter end

I can see the emotion in all of this but I feel like the fact that this was the Summary really took away from a lot of it, more so then other chapters. The full text of this should be awesome though. Good work getting all the way here Sig, thanks as always.

I do feel though that the fact he kept holding on to her right after the wedding even though they are already "normal siblings" again reveals more about his mindset on the whole thing. He really wishes that he didn't have to give her up but he knows at the same time that he has to.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Soverence

I can see the emotion in all of this but I feel like the fact that this was the Summary really took away from a lot of it, more so then other chapters. The full text of this should be awesome though. Good work getting all the way here Sig, thanks as always.

I do feel though that the fact he kept holding on to her right after the wedding even though they are already "normal siblings" again reveals more about his mindset on the whole thing. He really wishes that he didn't have to give her up but he knows at the same time that he has to.

Um, this is no summary.

[zeko]

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

From my point of view, it was Ruri allowing Kyousuke to move on from thier past relationship. The book is strongly tied to thier memories as a couple. When she tore it up, Kyousuke felt like it was the memories they created being torn too, but he didn't stop her because he already made his decision. She basically frees him from thier past to allows pick the route he decided upon without anything holding him back. She does not want to have anything to tie him back to her.

well, i always it was her dream one day to have kyuske and kirino happy with each other as siblings even though she is dating him. i think that is why she called perfect reality or something so tearing apart might be her giving up on that dream and (as you said) give up on kuyske too.

really wished all of the gang where in the final scene

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by zeko

well, i always it was her dream one day to have kyuske and kirino happy with each other as siblings even though she is dating him. i think that is why she called perfect reality or something so tearing apart might be her giving up on that dream and (as you said) give up on kuyske too.

really wished all of the gang where in the final scene

In the epilogue they are meeting at a otaku girls unite off-meet.

[zubalikei]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

Cant help but cry :'( :'( :'( really this is GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: They better animate this part so perfectly or else I'll go nuts,really *sob*

I am very sad after reading this line:

Spoiler for commentary about Kyousuke's declaration:

When Kyousuke says: "Nobody was at my side and I also couldn't take anyone back." It transmits a feeling of loneliness...

but indeed the story is great... oh, man! :'(

[kentasaiba]

Well they "broke up" at the end, but its still a better lovestory than twillight.