US Politics Thread (2021-24)

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by The Green One

It's only the first time a second Speaker Ballot was needed in the last 100 years. Nothing of note surely.

I was being generous, it's barely been a week and people have stopped talking about it.

It is up to you to decide whether that is because it truly didn't matter or because new things to talk about (like Joe's classified documents) have come up.

[The Green One]

Careful there, it's like you're admitting that's a crime. Your lord and master Trump won't like that. After all if Biden goes down for this, that means Trump must as well.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Careful there, it's like you're admitting that's a crime. Your lord and master Trump won't like that. After all if Biden goes down for this, that means Trump must as well.

Biden won't go down because of this, at worse they might argue than it happened because of dementia. It might even be the true.

[mangamuscle]

Wouldn't it be a crime if he still had said documents after leaving office? At the moment he has plot shield, I mean, presidential immunity, no?

[cyberdemon]

Well Trump has officially been indicted. Who knows how it will play out though. Could be fun to watch lol

[mangamuscle]

I expect whole load of fake outrage from many high ranking GOP politicians, either because this clears the way for their own nomination in 2024 or most likely, because having trumpo out of the way means the return to the pre-trump politics in the same sense that after reagan faded from the public view, the republican party returned to their usual shenanigans while claiming to keep the former actor turned politician legacy alive.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

I expect whole load of fake outrage from many high ranking GOP politicians, either because this clears the way for their own nomination in 2024 or most likely, because having trumpo out of the way means the return to the pre-trump politics in the same sense that after reagan faded from the public view, the republican party returned to their usual shenanigans while claiming to keep the former actor turned politician legacy alive.

Honestly they’d love to see Trump in jail With a few exception, mtg. They’re just too fearful of his base to say it out loud. They just need to keep up appearances until the deed is done.

[Key Board]

I admit I've been wrong about Trump's influence

I think he's still a lot more popular than De Santis

Yes, all the influencers and terminally online people prefer De Santis, but your average GOP voter will look at De Santis as go "lame, he's short. what a loser"

So I don't know. They need Trump

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[ramlaen]

Indicting Trump on a misdemeanor, that was passed over at least twice by federal and state prosecutors in the past for a there not being a there, is the sort of genie in the bottle that I hope the people who want to see Trump in jail regardless of the facts do not regret setting free.

[Guardian Enzo]

Uh huh.

[Ithekro]

No one is above the law.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

No one is above the law.

Can you name any of the people who were in Ghislane Maxwell's black book?

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

No one is above the law.

No one should be above the law, but in practice not so much.
The dissapointing thing about the situation is the crime for what they go against him, they should had gone for something more critical or for some frauds or scams he did before 2016.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

No one should be above the law, but in practice not so much.
The dissapointing thing about the situation is the crime for what they go against him, they should had gone for something more critical or for some frauds or scams he did before 2016.

Al Capone only got arrested for tax evasion. It’s hard to charge those with power that even finding something small could open the flood gates

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

Indicting Trump on a misdemeanor, that was passed over at least twice by federal and state prosecutors in the past for a there not being a there, is the sort of genie in the bottle that I hope the people who want to see Trump in jail regardless of the facts do not regret setting free.

If you are thinking "when trump returns to power we will jail everybody and have the last laugh", that simply isn't going to happen. Trumpism is dead and we are going to see its carcass on display for months to come. This is but the first indictment, the tip of the iceberg and republicans run the risk of trump winning the nomination, being on the ballot but by the time of the elections being ineligible, now THAT would be the last laugh.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

If you are thinking "when trump returns to power we will jail everybody and have the last laugh", that simply isn't going to happen. Trumpism is dead and we are going to see its carcass on display for months to come. This is but the first indictment, the tip of the iceberg and republicans run the risk of trump winning the nomination, being on the ballot but by the time of the elections being ineligible, now THAT would be the last laugh.

I'm thinking that indicting political opponents on flimy charges in order to interfere with upcoming elections is a dangerous precident and something you see in third world dictatorships.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

I'm thinking that indicting political opponents on flimy charges in order to interfere with upcoming elections is a dangerous precident and something you see in third world dictatorships.

Trump tried to do just that

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

I'm thinking that indicting political opponents on flimy charges in order to interfere with upcoming elections is a dangerous precident and something you see in third world dictatorships.

The word you are looking for is not "third world dictatorships", the correct term is "authoritative governments", it is irrelevant whether they are poor (like nicaragua) or rich (like Singapore).

The thing here is that you need to be naive to think that trump is not guilty as charged, flimsy would they be if charges can be easily tossed by a semi-competent lawyer. I think the precedent here is that you should not nominate crooks to office, neither you should commit felonies while in office (oh yeah, those are coming, but come last because they are the cherry on the cake) and that is the anathema of authoritative governments.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Trump tried to do just that

And House democrats voted to impeach him for it (at least initially as the accusation was an ever shifting goalpost). Does this mean Bragg should be punished as well?

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Al Capone only got arrested for tax evasion. It’s hard to charge those with power that even finding something small could open the flood gates

As you said, it's hard to charge thoses with power and money, shouldn't they had go with something with better chance to get him in jail? Realistically they only have one chance at this, if they screw this one they won't ever try again.