2012-10-13, 08:41 | Link #30841 | |
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Likely the same was for Gohda. He was offered money to take part to a murder game. He found out too late the murder game wasn't a game in which people weren't pretending to be dead but were killed for real. |
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2012-10-13, 09:31 | Link #30842 | |
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From there we can kind of conclude that, for each game, we have all the servants+Nanjo+One of the Siblings+Wife/Husband, involved. In this case, it's just Rosa. It wouldn't be surprising if the farce was all planned from the start. And the Master Keys from the servants had not been confiscated yet by that point. (The door could have been locked by Shannon, Genji, Gohda, no problem, from outside) This event caused Rosa to receive the Master Keys from the servants.
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2012-10-13, 11:05 | Link #30843 | |
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You're forgetting something important: Kyrie's phone call was back-to-back with Jessica's. |
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2012-10-13, 11:28 | Link #30845 |
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The chapel door IS unlocked from the inside during the EP2 fantasy scene with George/Shannon/Gohda, but...well, it is a fantasy scene. I'd take the word of the red over that. Not that it really matters whether you can unlock it from the inside anyway.
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2012-10-13, 15:11 | Link #30846 | |
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Also, the First Twilight in EP2 probably isn't faked ... we even have a red confirming that. Quote:
If I had to explain his seemingly specific death, I'd say it's both a trick that uses Kanon's distinct personhood to play a word game, and represents the point Shannon essentially decided "Well, someone has to be 4th Twilight, guess it'll be Kanon." |
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2012-10-14, 03:44 | Link #30849 | |
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My guess is she solved the riddle and Yasu becomes her furniture or something.
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2012-10-14, 08:44 | Link #30850 | |
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If she solved the riddle she would know about the bomb right? |
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2012-10-14, 10:03 | Link #30852 | |||
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That exactly why she says that stuff to Maria. Probably they're out of time because Rosa wanted to return for the golden ingot. And she intended to risk her life staying there to look for it after she fell down, that's why she's urging Maria to leave her behind.
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Only thing I'm not sure about is why she decides to get rid of them. (Then again, fake deaths......) Quote:
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Plus it simply paints you a picture about Battler's promise.
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2012-10-14, 10:35 | Link #30853 | |
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On the other hand, Hideyoshi is really excessively theatrical in that scene. I also always thought it was weird how he never ever drops his fake Kansai accent, even when he's supposedly under stress, but that could be chalked up to Yasu not knowing it was fake when she wrote the games.
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2012-10-14, 11:13 | Link #30854 |
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I always felt like the scene with Eva and Hideyoshi in their room in EP1 was pretty indicative of them being accomplices. Just the way they're acting dooesn't really fit for people who genuinely thought six people had just been brutally murdered...Not to mention Eva's giggly unconcerned attitude when discussing the case with Battler.
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2012-10-14, 17:36 | Link #30855 | |
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I dont know, you could possibly fit EP2 with something like this. Some of the things Rosa says to herself are pretty big tells that she's thinking of that Beatrice. It would fit with her seeing Shannon dead and still continue to play the part even though "Beatrice" was already dead. |
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2012-10-14, 18:47 | Link #30856 | |||
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1. Was a hint towards the existence of the bomb (I remember, at the time, I was convinced that the faulty boiler must coincidentally explode around midnight, or something) 2. A cool dramatic scene. It really shouldnt be forgotten that the forgeries are also intended to be entertaining and engaging, and that over the top fight scene with the troubled mother and daughter working together and reconciling was really good, in that regard. It's probably why we get time-magic-Kyrie and boudakai-tenkaichi-Krauss, as well. Quote:
About EP6, though, it's very wasy for Erika to not notice Kanon. Hideyoshi is the one who seperated the people into the rooms, and Erika herself did not physically check the room with the male servants in it, she only did a Meta check via Battler's red truth, where he said "everybody else". Erika also admits that it's possible Kanon was hiding in the same room she was in, under the bed or something. Quote:
Well, that's your assumption, and I won't argue against it really, but ... I always figured that Bern ALSO hates losing ... and if she knew about Shkanon, she would've used it to win the logic Error. Erika certainly doesn't seem to know about Shkanon, or she would've won easily. And while Bern DOES want a loss that's utterly humiliating ... I dunno, I think shoving Beato's big bad storming of the chapel right back down her throat with a "Ha, your so-called solution is as valuable as wet tissue paper, it's so obvious!" would've been satisfying for her ... and she has no trouble mocking it in the very next EP, after all... |
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2012-10-14, 22:30 | Link #30857 | |
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However Erika is shown to depend more on teh gamemaster's declarations than on her own piece's observation maybe because for her they're one and the same (Battler tells her what her piece sees). So she doesn't need to have her piece check who enters in the room because Battler will provide her with the names of who's in the room. It's a mistake because if she had asked who her piece saw entering in the room demanding for her piece to check the people entering she would have noticed Kanon had 'disappeared'. I think pieces are like 'black Battler'... who is going to kill everyone because... witch hunters wants so and not because he really has a free will and decided so. In the same way piece Erika has no free will and can't investigate if her player doesn't allow her. Dlanor after all insisted Erika (Meta) is also a piece who can't do what her master doesn't allow her to do. |
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2012-10-15, 06:11 | Link #30858 | |||
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After awfully like Yasu to change her plans depending on some small thing like that. Quote:
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I'm also not sure as to what she really knew, but I think it's more possible she knew about Shkanon since it is always avoided strategically. It's unlikely that Erika, who was so diligent about everything and would even go outside in the middle of a typhoon to put tape on the windows just to frame Natsuhi would skip counting the names one by one and resort to something as vague as 'everyone else'. And that on the room the person in question was, of all rooms. Maybe that's why it bothers Battler so much. If the big trick was exposed by a word-play like that game's over for the witch side, but it's still a proper defeat. A Logic Error should seem way more enticing to Bernkastel.
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2012-10-15, 08:49 | Link #30859 | |
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2012-10-15, 09:13 | Link #30860 |
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Ok, here's the bit of the bomb explanation from Our Confessions I had but didn't translate earlier. It's not very long, but I decided to release it now since there's not really a reason not to as it's unrelated to the epilogue.
The epilogue will be done soon. Maybe a day, maybe a week. Just a reminder: This is when Beatrice had taken Krauss and Natsuhi down to the VIP room at gunpoint to show them the gold and had just claimed that she had control of the bomb device. Spoiler for Bomb talk:
I find the whole thing where Genji just kind of magically appears there because it's convenient for the author pretty amusing. Last edited by Wanderer; 2012-10-15 at 17:56. Reason: Added "long ago" into Krauss's first line. |
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