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View Poll Results: Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 25 | 34.25% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 28.77% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 28.77% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 5.48% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.37% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-03-25, 02:37 | Link #141 |
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Yes...Kodaka was VERY clear about what he wanted, and that's friendship. That shouldn't even be debatable at this point. You keep making it sound like he was like "Well, I guess I want some friends I guess". He straight up says "I don't want a relationship now when I need some friends first".
I honestly don't know why you're still hung up on friendship. Friendship is the not the huge issue right now. Sena just straight up asked for his hand in marriage and confessed her love for him, in front of all his other love interest. We are PAST friendship problems for the moment. This entire scenario at the moment is romance related, unless you think marriage is code for best friends or something. And no, not everyone thinks him running away like he did was the wrong choice, so you can't assume that we can just move on with that. It's divided as far as if what he's doing is right or wrong.
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2013-03-25, 02:56 | Link #142 | |
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indeed everyone have his own opnion just like you and me, and for me your "explanation not enought to change mine toughts, kodaka is not the first harem leader who i see with this problem, i already watched many harems, and animes and like i said i hate this type of character like kodaka, because make very easy to make "girls magically" fallen in love(magnetic man girls) with him and he keep runing from this, making more mess. well in the end what is matter is how you interpret the things and for me is very clear his character design.(until i see a really change i keep with mine definition). |
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2013-03-25, 03:28 | Link #143 | |||||
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Because whilst what you said might be true in the real world, it definitely does not hold water in this story. Let's face it, what happens when confession takes place and the other party accepts it? It usually means they're in a relationship for life and they'll probably end up married with kids. That's obviously not how real life works at all but there you go: that's anime logic for you. And in any case, Sena wasn't actually asking Kodaka to marry her: She was just confessing to Kodaka. Marriage is just something she said she might like at some point or another. And the expression from Rika (an extremely obvious storyline cue) makes it very clear what the show is trying to tell us: It's Kodaka that's not doing the right thing for same reasons as last episode. Because that apparently makes him a coward. Now you're free to criticize the show's logic (since I do it all the time) but criticising the character is another thing. It's not the character's fault if they have to abide by some pretty warped logic. For example, I get angry at Yozora's "bitchiness" to Sena all the time but I don't think that's what the show is trying to tell me (since it also makes it clear Yozora doesn't really want to hurt Sena) so it's not something I hold against Yozora because it's the story's fault if it wants their relationship to rest on some warped logic. So what exactly is it that you're trying to say. Are you criticising the character or the show? because criticising a character based on real world logic doesn't really work. Quote:
On a character is level, it's impossible to say. Sena could have a perfectly good reason, or rather, the story can easily make one for her, so that Sena confessing to Kodaka in front of Yozora might be better for their friendship in the long run. It's not like their friendship is particularly realistic to begin with, so arguing that such a thing wouldn't be realistic is kinda pointless. The important thing is whether the story could work with it. Now where the story left off, we don't know whether Sena factored in Yozora's feelings when she decided to confess in front of her. It's possible she didn't, but since Sena has clearly demonstrated tact before this (when she asked Kodaka not to tell anyone about the engagement because it might upset Yozora), I'd say a far more reasonable approach would be to wait for the next episode to clarify what kind of an effect Sena's confession might actually have on their relationship. Quote:
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2013-03-25, 07:05 | Link #144 | ||
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2013-03-25, 09:12 | Link #145 | |
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The whole issue with the friendsip that confuses me is that Rika wants to move towards them all accepting themselves as friends hence her last omitted line by the wind and Kodaka refuses to accept that very friendship he wants which leads me to suspect that Kodaka is just in denial heaven or is super afraid of change. Kodaka never acknowledges the people in the club as his friends and from all the stuff that they are doing, this doesn't make sense even when applying anime logic.He and Yozora always keep referencing "when we have friends or to prepare us for when we become popular/have friends" to the point where it just bodes the question "Are you in denial?" P.S. Rika is too badass to get bossed around by Sena and there are omitted points that didn't make it to the anime where Sena insults/shows disrespect/doesn't give a damm about Maria and Yukimura.
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2013-03-25, 10:16 | Link #146 | |
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2013-03-25, 11:56 | Link #147 |
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Yeah, Kodaka is terrified of change. He's perfectly happy with the current situation so naturally, he wants it to last for as long as possible. He knows they are already friends. However, admitting they are friends and saying it out loud would change the dynamics of the group in either good or bad, but in his mind, he can probably only think of the worst. He's too afraid to take this risk.
Sena's confession forced him into a corner. No matter what he does, their relationship will change. He ran away for now but he won't be able to do that forever. Even if he could, he'd lose the club too, and that's the worst outcome for him. He can't avoid change this time. It will be interesting to see how he will face this situation.
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2013-03-25, 15:44 | Link #149 | ||
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In any case that was just an example to illustrate a point. You don't have to agree with it: It's the bigger point I'm talking about. I'll decidedly not take your word for it. It doesn't really matter anyway: This is the anime thread, not the light novel thread.
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2013-03-25, 17:59 | Link #150 | |
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Like I've mentioned before about intent and outcome - in Sena's case, is good intention/eagerness/lack of awareness enough excuse for the outcomes? So is she deserving of her current predicament? (Funnily enough, despite what she says, she probably doesn't care all that much about her bad relations with her peers, at an emotional level. I think her reason to join the club is nothing more than the perfectionist seeking perfection and annoyed at not getting her way, rather than specific yearning for friendship. Even now she's still struggling with the emotions of a real budding friendship with Yozora) But discussing the engagement thing in private is surprisingly cluey for Sena as a character. Need to go and check if it was actually Sena who initiated it or not. |
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2013-03-25, 19:16 | Link #151 | |
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He is able to tell what he thinks to Sena while he avoids telling those things (their past friendship doesn't matter) to Yozora. From Kodaka's point of view Sena is a great help because she has the guts to face Yozora while he is to scared to do that himself. |
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2013-03-25, 21:47 | Link #152 | |
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You don't have to take my word for it. It was mostly there just cause I felt like it hence Rika is badass.
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2013-03-25, 22:42 | Link #153 |
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ok here, thanks to rika awesomeness this is how we start to know more about "kodaka" issues
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kobato is just a mirror for kodaka she suffer from the same problem of him: being unable to handle with be "sociable", just rewatch episode, 10 13:30 to 15:20 and see the final of the same episode then rewatch episode 11 and and each piece of the puzzle will fit Kodaka revealing the problem until then had been kept hidden. kodaka true want friends but he can't true handly with then, the only way he can have friend is the way who he keeping using by keep hiding from the girls(rika is the one who find about this) about their already being friends, it's just not the marriage or confession his issues but the whole picture. kodaka make clear who he want a girlfriend but like the friend he can't handly, another note if indeed kodaka dont want girlfriend or marriage why he not yet asked to pegasus to cancel the marriage contract between pegasus and his father, he just keep curling the answer he never true goes to pegasus and ask to cancel this since he learned about. |
2013-03-26, 08:48 | Link #154 | |
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You also wrote that Kodaka "make clear who he want a girlfriend" are you trying to say that it's obvious who Kodaka wants as a girlfriend? I haven't seen or read in the novel any hints that he favors any girl above other so could you please clarify? I'm guessing that english isn't your native language and I'm not trying to insult that. I just want to understand a bit better about what you wrote cause some parts interest me and I'm not sure if its intentional or a result of bad grammar
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2013-03-26, 09:03 | Link #155 | |
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Another interesting side comment this episode was by Kodaka as he was leaving Rika in the nurse's office, that "I only got to talk to you about stupid stuff like this because of the Neighbors Club, right?". I think this is a recognition of how precious the RinJinBu is to him and what he is trying to protect. |
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2013-03-26, 09:14 | Link #156 | |
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rika on this season keep being pure awesomeness, not only playing the moe&pervert but being genius and helping us to learn more about the club throught her eyes, like kodaka faking the dense, she is really a genius too bad who mine preferred girl still being sena not just because of her hot look but also her freaking side specially when kobato appear i aways laught hard watching sena prancts. Last edited by ellessarr; 2013-03-26 at 09:56. |
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2013-03-26, 16:21 | Link #157 | ||||
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This isn't the first time Sena's has shown she's aware of the situation. When Kodaka and Sena were getting pa present for Kobato they took a break and talked in the cafe and Sena specifically said she didn't want to lose to Yozora. The subject was about what Sena thought about Kodaka and Yozora being childhood friends. And just before that Sena was asking what Kodaka thought about the other girls. And just before that Sena talked about how she understands how "girls can take a long time to decide on things": The context is pretty damn clear. She knows she's in a competition with Yozora, Rika and even freaking Yukimura over Kodaka's feelings. Quote:
Because in all honestly I got the exact opposite interpretation from that scene. The interpretation i got was that they were trying to portray Sena's confession as something positive that shows how far she's come. The reason for this is obvious. The rest of the episode previously went out of it's way to show the best of Rika and Yozora and so followed that off with Sena. Why? It's a narrative cue to put it in direct contrast to Kodaka's evasion which the story portrays as a character regression. Everybody's growing up except him: That was the meta concept I was getting. Portraying Sena's confession as a character flaw would undermine that. Quote:
This isn't just clear from a character point of view but from a narrative one. All the members have a genuine desire for friendship (with perhaps the sole exception of Yukimura who's character role has that leeway since she's only ever been used as a comedic device thus far). It makes no sense to portray one of the characters as having cynical motivation. That would inherently undermine the underlying theme of the story when they're all having fun and acting like genuine friends with one another, which the story always portrays as genuine. For example, take the ending of the OVA (episode 13) when Yozora caps it off by reminding everyone of the core ideal of the club "To make friends" and how everyone else is already smiling in approval before she even says it. Having one character in the group who's not there for that reason (and for cynical reasons to boot) would undermine that message completely. Quote:
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2013-03-26, 18:09 | Link #158 | |
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Koe no Katachi is a good example of an abusive case. Can't believe I forgot this but Yuuno Arashiko from MM! is a very good example of a victim due to abuse.
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2013-03-26, 20:17 | Link #159 | ||
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And no one is saying Kodaka doesn't have issues. The pro-Kodaka side argument is that Kodaka's issues are justifiable and people can relate. You are on the side that doesn't relate and blames him for certain things. This is why both sides are debating. You feel Kodaka is acting wrong, I don't. You also feel what Rika did was the right thing while I feel that while it wasn't wrong, it added flames to a fire that doesn't help anyone right now.. I saw a comment on Random Curiosity about this episode, and pretty much agree with the overall message completely: Quote:
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2013-03-26, 21:20 | Link #160 | |
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have another moment where kodaka showed he want a girlfriend but i dont remember the episode or if was first or second season need to rewatch to find that was the only who i remember the source. i'm not "only" blame him i blame him for being coward with the girls and the girls to being weirds but I admired both Sena and rika finally begin to show that they are progressing, and progressing more than others, while kodaka finally showed who he is the only with less progression, less even than yozora because at last yozora like all the others girls is trying to be sincere with themselfs while he still hinding in his shell of "fake dense" and looks like dont want to leave. here i'm using anime speechs to prove my point, i'm aways use what i see/read in the speechs to base mine theories not just my thoughts, do the same show me speechs where you theory may have a base(to counter my argument) and where kodaka is saying who he dont want a girlfriend. for now i'm not interested in a shipwar even if i liked more sena, first i need see kodaka solve his issues to being unsociable(can't stand about have true friends and girlfriends) before i can start mine own girl ship, for now in this "state" kodaka don't deserves any girl for me until he solve the problem he diserves being alone(and dont have friends because he gonna run from then). Last edited by ellessarr; 2013-03-26 at 21:41. |
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