2018-09-18, 11:14 | Link #21 |
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Holy cow,....this is not in the bag for Kavanaugh. A televised testifying session about rape in the upcoming is having second thoughts on the mind of at least two GOP senators. Exciting Monday.
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2018-09-18, 12:41 | Link #22 |
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It's okay, since being a rapist is better than being a supporting abortion if you ask people.
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2018-09-28, 08:40 | Link #23 |
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I will honestly be shocked if this accusation has any actual effect at all on the vote. Most of the people in Washington don't give a flying frick about this. Only how it affects their own agenda. History has proven this in the past.
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2018-09-28, 20:07 | Link #25 |
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This was never really about the truth. This is all politics. The two individuals in the center of this circus, whoever is the one telling the truth, are just pawns on a bigger stage. It's just sad that allegations of sexual assault, again whether or not it's true, is being used as the weapon of choice in this battleground.
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2018-09-28, 22:12 | Link #27 | |
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Trump Agrees to Open ‘Limited’ F.B.I. Investigation Into Accusations Against Kavanaugh Jeff Flake from Arizon called for the delay in vote in favor of a FBI investigation. Mind you, Trump trashed Jeff Flake several times in the past. Flake also isn't running for reelection because of Trump. If the Dems' takes the senate in this midterm in an unlikely scenario, they would successfully block GOP from nominating another Judge. ...just like the GOP did for Obama's pick.
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2018-09-28, 23:41 | Link #28 |
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This may all be disgusting political warfare but I find it absolutely riveting. On one hand despite an exemplary testimony by Ford, the fact remains that none of this is corroborated; and at least part of Kavanaugh's opening testimony did make you want to at least hear him out. On the other hand when your hear him out, all you hear is a lying hypocritical political hack.
Make no mistake, Kavanaugh demonstrably lied in his hearing; this much is easy to verify. And the Republicans know it. What I didn't expect was there to actually be an FBI investigation into this. Especially after all that posturing by the Republicans and Kavanaugh. To see the ABA and Yale Law come out in favor of an FBI investigation is crazy. And to think, none of this would have happened if Trump had just chosen another judge like his previous appointee, Neil Gorsuch. Goddammit, the Repbulicans have the majority. How incompetent would they have to be to not find such a terrible candidate?
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2018-09-28, 23:53 | Link #29 | |
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but, That's because GOP is now Trump's party. Whatever tune he plays, the typical Republican will join regardless of what it is. Common sense did not elect Trump. GOP party still holds the belief Trump phenomenon has no end in sight, so it's best to ride that train. You oppose Trump and you're left behind, i.e. Jeff Flake and Bob Corker. Btw, Donnie also tweeted about the FBI investigation: Just started, tonight, our 7th FBI investigation of Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He will someday be recognized as a truly great Justice of The United States Supreme Court!
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2018-09-29, 00:08 | Link #30 |
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I suppose that question was a bit rhetorical. But your reasoning makes sense if not for one thing: Trump has already appointed Neil Gorsuch to the SCOTUS. That means from the beginning, he could have nominated a judge who is politically aligned to the Republicans without any skeletons in his closet aside from what was already evident in his career and the Democrats wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Why choose and stick with such an obviously volatile option this close to the mid terms where the approval of the judge will have an impact on the outcome (whether it be Republicans or Democrats). Though again, take these questions as rhetorical because the Right in Australia are just as stupid.
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2018-09-29, 00:13 | Link #31 | |
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I love our politics.
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2018-09-29, 06:31 | Link #33 |
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I don't really get it. The republicans could have shoved Kavanaugh in by now, but instead of taking the easy win and going on with their lives, they keep masochistically edging themselves for another week or hearings and another week of investigations etc etc.. Will they finally blow their load after this one?
From what I gather, Kavanaugh is a bit of a neo-con, who was all for the Bush era police state stuff. Is that not in vogue anymore for Republicans?
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2018-09-29, 08:03 | Link #34 | |
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Btw, you had me at blowing loads.
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2018-09-29, 08:35 | Link #35 | |
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Don't give any weight to right-wing talking points. None of this is proven, but it's all very much corroborated. The worst part is that Kav himself said this long, long after it was corroborated. Not a good thing when a Judge doesn't know law like that. |
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2018-09-30, 05:39 | Link #38 |
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Just going to casually throw this in:
People might say that Kavanaugh has to recuse himself from anything related to Democracts due to his "open bias" against them during his hearing. But a certain precedent shows us that that is not necessary, because another SC judge did something similar, but it seems everyone just forgot and the SC judge in question never recused herself. I am talking about Ginsburg. While in office she openly criticised Trump while he already was the Republican Nominee. Guess what, afterward she didn't recuse herself from any decision involving Trump. With that precedent set all SC judges have essentially open season for making political, partisian statements, it's just that people pretend all this never happened and it's my guess why the media are... relatively silent on Kavanaugh calling out the Dems. If Ginsburg never said what she did, this would have probably become the main talking point on every news station other than Fox News.
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2018-09-30, 11:37 | Link #39 | |
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- As for the hearing itself, it was the usual disgrace by the republicans. Their (all-male) panel initially refused an FBI investigation, hired an outside prosecutor to grill Ford but cut her off when it was time to question Kavanaugh, repeatedly apologized to him about his treatment and his reputation, tried to tear apart Ford's testimony while unfailingly believing every word of Kavanaugh. Lindsey Graham in an angry fit called it the most unethical sham he had seen in his career. Senator Graham seems to have forgotten to take a look at the current administration or what happened when Obama nominated a candidate for the supreme court. The only reason that there is an investigation now is because Jeff Flake for once criticized something and then didn't immediately vote for it nonetheless. All in all this is just the latest page in an ongoing circus that will see no winners. |
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I do think there's a very real chance that the FBI could conclude that Kavanaugh perjured himself on some very important points while under oath during the hearing though. Hearings transcript Quote:
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To me it seems like a pretty bloody big deal if Kavanaugh perjured himself about this. Both because his assertion that he never was violent while drunk is a fairly big part of his character defense against the sexual assault allegations. And also because perjuring yourself under oath is a felony.
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