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(Though I'm still not sure what this fixation on having a male lead is, but that's a conversation we had in another thread recently... )
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2012-07-09, 16:15 | Link #622 | |
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I think its rather odd to not have a character you control in a game or a rather a perspective on how you see things with because usually you read the lines from a third party view or as the character himself.
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Guys, in case you all missed it, the Japanese imperial army mostly used F-4J Gekishin and Type-82 Zuikaku during the siege of kyoto. Both are first generation machines which are REALLY outdated especially the first one. They're slow, clunky, and not really effective against the BETA once they're very close unless the pilot is VERY skilled like the eastern germans. The Zuikaku is a bit better than the F4 though but that doesn't change it's a first generation TSF. So why bother using it? The imperial army already made so much of them and the unit is easy to maintain. Oh, and it takes time for the Eishi to adjust to new machines, and that costs money as well. I'm not sure how many Type-94s there are at this time, but we only saw one in episode 2 and that was the Type-94-1C. I'm actually fascinated to see how bad the F-4 is. Some guys could've dodged in time, but the F-4 was so slow. It makes me think if the results would've been the same if they had better units instead of that walking coffin... Probably they could've lived longer... There was also a Gekishin who parried a Grappler's attack and countered by shooting the thing in point-blank range. The Eishi must have been really skilled to do it with an outdated unit. What's the problem with stationary turrets? It's the stationary part. Why not use artillery fire? Well, that depends how many laser class there are. Why not use long range bombardment or nuclear warheads? Again, say hi to Lux-chan and Magnus Lux-kun. If only we had a subform... A thread dedicated for tactics, technologies, and military protocols for each country would definitely benefit the secondaries in this thread. Last edited by Silvance; 2012-07-09 at 22:19. Reason: edited. Got carried away. I apologize. m(_ _)m |
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I used to frequen gantz forums, where a lot fo people would critique the combatants tactics, that was fun and this brings bakc memories. |
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2012-07-09, 17:54 | Link #626 | |
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And besides that, the anime doesn't necessarily have to be narrated in a protagonist's first-person perspective in order to make sense either. There are lots of other ways to narrate the story here (as seen in the first two episodes).
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2012-07-09, 18:12 | Link #627 | |
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2012-07-09, 18:25 | Link #628 | |
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2012-07-09, 18:51 | Link #629 |
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Besides all of the stationary turrets and PEW PEW, there was another part of episode 2 which challenged my suspension of disbelief.
So Yui is surrounded by a lot of Soldier-class and Tank-class BETA, both types of which can easily detect the presence of humans, but they take several minutes before they start attacking her. Hell, it's almost like they don't notice her until the other girl is chewed up. These are freaking anti-infantry and anti-personnel BETA, they aren't zombies. Also, why didn't Yui or glasses girl use their armored exoskeletons after evacuating their TSFs? Those things are useful, and I was hoping to see them finally get put to use, but the writers wasted that opportunity. Last edited by Tempester; 2012-07-09 at 19:03. |
2012-07-09, 19:05 | Link #631 | |
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Okay I get that one. I must've missed the part where he said he was holding them off for normal people to get away too. But they sure can fly right over them, right? The lasers can't get them there.
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2012-07-09, 19:32 | Link #632 | |
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The existence and powers of the BETA may not be biologically possible, but it's an established in-universe fact that Soldier-class and Tank-class BETA will go after humans if they get the chance. For what seemed to be a hundred of them to just stand around doing nothing for a few minutes in the presence of an unprotected human is strange. The soldiers in Muv-Luv are trained, just like any soldier, to make the best out of their situation and maximize their chance of survival when in a pinch. Equipping your powered exoskeleton before evacuating your TSF not only follows that code, it is basic knowledge that even cadets know about, and Yui had already graduated from being a cadet at the time. |
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"Moving through spaces smaller than one meter, such as trenches, for long periods of time. Even worse are when stealth advances are required" Well if that is not enough, here's a horribly thought out convenient excuse, let's consider that Izumi may have been out cold when she was dragged out of her cockpit, thus not having the chance to use the exoskeleton in time. For Yui... this one is hard... Technical difficulties perhaps or just forgot that simple fact or did not pay attention much into her lectures. As for the BETA, I don't understand either why the soldier class ignored her and just focused on eating their long desired meal for the day. The tank class? Dunno, maybe they wanted to finish the appetizer before going for the main dish? Poorly thought out scene to be honest when you consider the traits of those BETA strains. I'm not sure if Kouki is to blame since he doesn't dictate what to do in the anime. Ishigaki is the one who makes the final call. haha. It'd be funny if he forgot about those things. Last edited by Silvance; 2012-07-09 at 19:49. |
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2012-07-09, 19:40 | Link #634 | |
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Well, that could work, but I doubt the writers had that in mind considering what Yui did. |
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2012-07-09, 19:43 | Link #635 | |
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Well, if the soldier class and tank class attacked her immediately, the Takemikazuchi won't be on time to save her? Maybe that's what they had in mind? lol. |
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2012-07-09, 19:49 | Link #636 | |
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In any case, the folks from /m/ are also criticizing certain "lapses in judgment" and their inability to use military tech available at that time. It might awaken the military geek in the Muv-Luv fan, and can also explain how those overpowered BETAs work.
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2012-07-09, 19:54 | Link #637 | |
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I also hope this series explores more aspects of the world setting and it's conflicts with characters - such as the clear 'caste' system, and its usefulness/influence in the war. I can detect a theme of honour code/sacrifice in this already, something I presume is deep in the Japanese psyche. One of the primary reason Japan collapsed through the latter half of the WW2 was due to their samurai code - and the resultant attrition to personnel vs the outcome oriented planning of their allied counterpart, where squadron based tactics quickly covered up initial shortcomings. |
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2012-07-09, 23:47 | Link #640 | ||
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I think it was said somewhere that BETA don't see or hear, except for some soldier class. So screaming or wearing bright colors don't matter to them. So: Firstly, how does the tank class sense its prey? Going by the sensor props on the head, and assuming its like the antenna on most insects and/or sense props like sharks. they might hunt either by bioelectricity and/or pheromone scent. So it could be that they were attracted by the blood and fear sense coming from the injured pilot, rather than one that is still whole. Secondly, threat level. While Yui did shot them and made alot of noise, since she has not shown a higher level of threat and is not running away, she is at the same level as an unmoving pilot. So with above, the priority level would be to finish the more tasty one, then look for the other. Then again, it might be due to production needs, as mentioned above... Last edited by grevierr; 2012-07-10 at 00:56. |
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