2013-08-19, 01:40 | Link #1681 | |
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Spoiler for First spell:
Spoiler for Second Spell:
And this one I'm ashamed to admit I never got anymore motivation to continue further (well, it is kinda OP too, if I may say so myself, probably fitting for a Majin to use): Spoiler for Third Spell:
Just a snippet of my mental state, folks, nothing to worry about. Last edited by allfictions; 2013-09-18 at 14:38. |
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2013-08-19, 02:35 | Link #1682 |
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I think that omega253 is mistaken about IB not allowing espers to use their powers if he is holding onto them. It was too strong of a statement. Whether he can depends on a number of factors including what the ability actually is, where the ability is being applied and whether or not the phenomena created is one big thing to be negated (like Mikoto's lightning) or a collection of small things to be negated (like Index's Dragon Breath).
As an example, Shirai couldn't use her powers while holding IB while in NT3 chapter 1, Touma held onto Mikoto while she used her power to raise cover. Even if that was a bad example, the above reasoning still holds.
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2013-08-19, 08:04 | Link #1687 | |
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All of this was the reason that Touma learned about using the Imagine Breaker to 'disrupt' the regenerating items. Like how he grabbed Accelerator's wings and disrupted the esper's calculations.
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2013-08-19, 11:19 | Link #1688 |
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Doesn't really matter what it is, the source is still Personal Reality, also doesn't really matter if that's true, if IB works as you say it should seal off any attempt of using any supernatural power, so the wings should disappear or cut off after Accel was touched by IB.
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2013-08-19, 12:42 | Link #1689 | |
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2013-08-19, 13:01 | Link #1690 | |
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Again, you bring up the point without quoting the source. Re-read the second fight between Accel and Kamijou, please. How many times did Kamijou punch Accel? Just once, which was the ending move of the fight. After that there was no mention of wings whatsoever. Now then, re-read Railgun ch.3, pages 20-21. I'm sure that Mikoto doesn't generate electricity just in one part of her body which means there should be some sparkles from, for example, other hand or banges (classic for the great Railgun). Do you see them? I don't. |
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2013-08-19, 14:09 | Link #1691 |
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For espers their power comes from their brain that's why even in novels electricity comes first from Mikoto's head/bangs.
During Touma's second fight against Accelerator, the former punched Accelerator twice, the first time caused a shockwave that throw away both Touma and Accelerator and the second time Accelerator got k.o. |
2013-08-19, 14:36 | Link #1692 | |
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Though I will admit, the phrasing she uses is strange while describing this phenomenon. "The electricity can't be released" Not "I can't use my power" or "The electricity is negated" How strange. Either way, if that's your only proof to your assertion that IB seals an Espers powers its very much inadequate.
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2013-08-19, 16:49 | Link #1694 | |
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2013-08-19, 17:02 | Link #1695 |
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Y'know what, screw it. I'm going to try to bring this debate to an end with an excerpt from the Imagine Breaker article on the TAMNI wiki.
"So far there are only a few attacks which can "surpass" Kamijou Touma's Imagine Breaker power canceling speed, as such he is unable to completely destroy them despite continued exposure to the Imagine Breaker. Index's Dragon Breath[14], Stiyl's Innocentius[15], Fiamma's flaming sword[16], and Accelerator's wings in his awakened state.[17] The Curtana Original's Dimensional Cleavage Formula is a different case, as it does not fall under the 'surpassing cancelling speed' category, but 'After this window of opportunity it can't be negated' category. It would imply that the phenomenon that Curtana had brought upon have become normalized and is no longer considered a supernatural phenomena. Kanzaki stated Imagine Breaker can negate a dimensional cutter attack if it comes into contact within 1.25 seconds.[Exact citation needed] During his trip to Russia, Touma makes use of the Imagine Breaker's limitations. Due to Imagine Breaker not fully negating supernatural phenomena, Touma has learned to use the Imagine Breaker to interfere via "negation and disruption". Touma made use of this when he battles Accelerator in Russia. Normally, Imagine Breaker negates any supernatural power or object upon contact, but because of its limits, if a supernatural power/object is sufficiently powerful or massive enough in size it will not be completely negated right away as it will take a longer time to fully defeat. It's during this state of cancellation that Touma can actually physically touch or grab the power/object, negating and disrupting it instead of instantly destroying or completely ridding of it right away. This, of course, is usually more of a disadvantage than an advantage of Imagine Breaker. Still, during Touma's fight with Accelerator in Russia, Touma pulled one of Accelerator's black wings to throw Accelerator off balance and dodge the attack when Accelerator struck Touma with 100 wings that he summoned. That single touch was capable of negating the vector controlling power of said wing as well.[Exact citation needed]" Is that good enough?
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2013-08-19, 19:56 | Link #1699 | ||
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And actually, OH&S's exemple confused me as it makes no sense with the volume s/he was speaking of. Quote anyone? Anyway, the fact that Ellis didn't disappear is because Ellis has an automatic mode: Quote:
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2013-08-20, 00:56 | Link #1700 |
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My theory got debunked. Duh, need to think more about that...
Now then, it doesn't matter how Mikoto wanted to release electricity. If she plays it safe, she'd release it via skin because it's a good isolator, but it's enough to shock someone. If she releases it internally, then she'd potentially wreck her arm and insides of Touma. Seriously now, it's an obvious choice for Mikoto. |
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