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View Poll Results: Eden of the East - Episode 11 [END] Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 65 | 43.62% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 24.83% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 14.09% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 8.72% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 5.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.34% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.67% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.67% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.67% | |
Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-06-20, 04:22 | Link #102 |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
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To be honest I agree with Izzy (sorry i forgot how to spell it and can't be arsed looking it up) and Jan-Poo with all the complaints but I've never believed in judging an anime completely until it's been finished, as the way I see it, it hasn't.
Best bit was when Hirasawa grabbed the laptop and said "RUN FOR IT!" That was freaking hilarious. |
2009-06-20, 05:42 | Link #103 | |
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I just think that I would have preferred the final episode to investigate some of the previous mysteries and try not to raise even more questions, plus not to try to be a mainly humorous episode (I've thought that's a SRS show with some jokes here and there, but the Humor Raito was over average amount now). Altogether the final episode was just below my expectations. I think it was kinda weak comparing it to the rest of the series. Additionally if that would have been the first episode I see, I would have thought it's just some kinda crazy Honey and Clover OVA with some scifi elements and a whole bunch of naked guys. @Drobertbaker Spoiler for speculating etc:
Edit: Is there any info how long the 2 movies are going to be? 90 minutes or 120 minutes?
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2009-06-20, 06:56 | Link #104 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
Join Date: Jul 2004
Age: 39
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I could honestly wish I was even half the man Akira was. It takes balls the size of the sun to man it up, take the blame onto yourself and do everything you can just to save some ungrateful lives. You don't find a lot of men like that these days sadly.
As for Ohsugi, well he's just transformed into the very symbol of the ungrateful and gossiping lives of Japan Akira tried to save, the very same people who seem to be content at letting others do the dirty work for them but easily shout the curses when they don't exactly do a perfect job. Thanks Ohsugi for putting things into perspective! I think I know the reason as to why Akira chose to use the help of the NEETs in shooting down the missles both times rather than do it himself: It's likely because he's trying to prove that a group of people can work together to help their nation rather than having only a single person do it all the time. When you think about it it's illogical to recruit masses of people when he has enough money to have it done. However, it becomes clear when you have a bigger reason for wanting people involved. Akira is trying to prove that it isn't only men with money or power like him who can change the nation. The NEETs are symbolic of people who seem to have no function in society, but by using them he's proving that the very social outcasts society has helped create are the very same people who have the power of change. Akira is essentially making a counterpoint to the rest of the complacent Japanese society by making such a large ironic statement, that the useless members of society would and could ultimately save it! As for the prince in a kingless land... well I have this inkling that it's supposed to be a Biblical reference of some sort, with a tie-up between the terms Messiah and Prince. From a Biblical prespective it is possible to liken Japan to Israel during the days after the birth of Christ. Israel was essentially a kingless land with no true successor to the house of David under the Romans. Jesus Christ is called the Son of God and therefore similar to the position of a prince (I'd discuss the nature of the Trinity but that's not important) to the King that is Jehova. I'm not sure which passages state it but there are instances where Jesus is likened to be He who is to ascend the throne of Jerusalem as the King of the Jews. This is not really meant politically but more of a moral leadership standpoint. As a prince to a kingless land, Akira is being likened to a someone who we can somehow interpet from his own words, someone who seems forced to take the helm of a society who has no directional leader (hence a kingless land) to take it out of it's socioeconomic rut.
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2009-06-20, 07:19 | Link #105 | |
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As for Christ he said himself that "my kingdom is not of this land". The parallelism can work if you imagine that "king" is a metaphor of a spiritual leader, a messiah, a real guide for the people. An idealized king rather than an actual king. Actually this concept kinda reminds me of the nietzsche's super human.
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2009-06-20, 07:31 | Link #106 |
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Location: Canada
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If Japan thinks that will save them from North Korea...they can dream on. A good scenario of anime to real life threats towards it. Too bad North Korea has better things against them.
The Golden Ring at the end could mean Takizawa marrying Saki or a wish about it but who knows. Although I do think the Raptors might help from the USA....does anyone know what North Korea has up their sleeve? NO AND NO WAY! Just though I would do the anime with real situation of Japan NOW! |
2009-06-20, 07:42 | Link #107 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Actually if I'm not mistaken Herod isn't Roman but he's not of the line of David, however Herod is considered de facto King of Israel. When I said King I meant it in terms of the true and trusted line of Kings that were ordained by God as the family he has annointed. I can't recall right now as I don't have a Bible handy, but I do believe there hasn't been a King from the line of David after the Babylonian exile.
Well first and foremost I subscribe to Kaufmann's interpretation of the term being Overman rather than Superman (mostly because I read his translations anyway). The Overman wasn't intended by Nietzsche to describe some sort of kingly figure but to imply the needs of man to be unshackled from the chains of excess "otherworld"-isms. He isn't a man who some sort of legendary or otherworldly powers but someone who has essentially broken free from the mold. To paraphrase Thoreau, someone who doesn't fall under the description of Thoreau's quiet and desperate humans. In the simplest terms a man who has broken free from the idleness of society to aim for greater things "over" the average human, thus Overman. Overman isn't supposed to be a Messiah to actively push the people towards liberation, but an ideal form of human for the rest to aspire to. Of course Nietzsche went batshit before he could truly explain most of what he meant in Thus Spake Zarathustra and the Nazi's misused his philosophy to justify arianism, which further clouds interpretations of his work. Even then, yeah it's kind of similar to see how Akira can be considered an Ubermensch in a sea of average humanity. He's one of the only few people willing to break free from social chains and take an active role in the upheavals to come.
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2009-06-20, 09:04 | Link #111 | |
A blast from the past
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You'd be better off not stating things like this as fact when they are not necessarily true. As for the topic at hand, I have to say it'll be a long wait until I'm able to see the movies. Oh, well... it was a nice ride, so far.
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2009-06-20, 10:30 | Link #112 |
Gone for Good
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What a way for Akira to end a story - as the King of Japan no doubt, whatever that means. Of course, we'll all have to wait till November to really know what he's actually planning to do.
And from that sound which sounds like another memory wipe, one wonder how he's going to save the country as "King of Japan" and his 20,000 strong Army of NEETs. Still, the series of the Spring 2009 season, no doubt. |
2009-06-20, 10:33 | Link #113 |
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Wow, what a ride. Like what most others have said so far, no real conclusion, but rather, I think this is just the beginning. I think what we've seen so far in the past 11 episodes might just be the background and the basis for everything that will come afterward in the movies.
On the other hand, I don't mind too much the long wait for the movies to be out - rather than half-hour episodes, it'll be an epic 90/120 min as the plot rolls out later in November. But at the same time, I can't wait for all these questions that we have to be answered! I can't say I'm completely satisfied, but I think the anime has done a very good job in keeping us both guessing and delivering some answers (though vague as they may be). One of the more outstanding series I've seen in awhile that deserves a rewatch now that it's come to its finale (and rewatching might actually put things in a different perspective now, in the light of all the information we've been given). |
2009-06-20, 11:03 | Link #114 |
Gone for Good
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Another LOL would be at Micchon's remark about the NEETs being potentially harmless to them since they're only interested in 2D girls. (2D girl means anime/manga girls, they're 2D since they only exist on paper, as opposed to the 3D flesh and blood girls)
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2009-06-20, 13:15 | Link #118 | |
Me, An Intellectual
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2009-06-20, 14:24 | Link #119 | |
Lurkin' in ur threadz.
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I mean, wouldn't Saki figure out that he erased his memories again eventually? But I think it would depend on how far that memory-wipe would go. I think in episode 2, he recalled his mother giving him money to buy something. Would he be able to recall something like that again or did he screwed himself over....? I just wish Akira would TELL Saki stuff before he does anything but I guess it's a better decision to do what you have to do than to let others worry too much about it. And it also baffles me on why he gave Saki the phone. It's not like she can use it. Anywayz, I thought the ending was great. Maybe I laughed too much but it sure was one hell of a ride and it's not over yet Compared to the first episode, it was a bit weaker but it was still enjoyable. EotE is one of a kind being strange, bizarre and highly amusing. Can't wait for the movies <3 |
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2009-06-20, 15:58 | Link #120 | |||
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I can tell a Japanese from other Asians on sight. Well, a "typical" Japanese, anyway. (Turtleface Saki - that slew me!!!)I think that finally someone hit the nail on the head about poor misunderstood Oosugi. He is the next generation of the "old wave", even up to the unsuccessful attempt to seduce Saki into his world. Quote:
As a professor I hated this pedagogical technique, what I always called "pooling our ignorance". You aren't going to get any more competence out of a group of know-nothings than you are out of one. But what you do get is a wealth of ideas (most of them stupid). The only way it actually works is if you have a competent authority to judge the ideas and choose the best one(s). Juiz plays that role here. In fact, this is the current dominant model in (enlightened) business settings. At least in the West. I think this crystalizes the essence of this show and what makes it such a milestone statement. Japanese society is in the midst of a massive social change from their age-old inward-looking feudal mindset to a 21st century world-oriented empowerment of the individual. I think this was what Saki was struggling to articulate on the escalator way back when they were leaving America. Problems of this change are apparent to all, but many are having difficulty even understanding it, much less doing anything about it. These problems obviously manifest in the hikkikomori or NEETs as shown in Eden of the East. And in the high death rates of salarymen by suicide and overwork (like in X's family). A common reaction in Japan to having a hikkikomori in the family is denial and shame. It really reminds me of the hippies in the West during the 1960s and the social transformation they embodied. Their society is creaking and groaning under the weight of the old ways and they are desperately looking for ways to make this transition without the whole ediface crashing down. This program articulates these issues and is very boldly stating that this change is not the end of the world, that it's actually a good thing, and that these new ways need to be integrated into the society, not locked away, for the betterment of all. Good post, Meo.
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