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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 31 | 11.19% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 3.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 5.78% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 15 | 5.42% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 14 | 5.05% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 11 | 3.97% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 3.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.89% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 13 | 4.69% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 151 | 54.51% | |
Voters: 277. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-07-30, 16:25 | Link #161 | |
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2009-07-30, 16:28 | Link #162 | ||
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Of course, that'll probably mean no new novels either, but given Kadokawa's track record, they'd probably ruin them somehow too. Better to remember this franchise when it wasn't the biggest joke of the anime world. Sort of like how fans are remembering Micheal Jackson now. Quote:
Which is the whole joke. Yes I'm bitter shut up. |
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2009-07-30, 16:41 | Link #163 | |
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You make it sound like everything they've done has cost them nothing at this point. We just wasted bandwidth watching episodes; they paid MONEY. The way i see it, they can do whatever that want as long as they spend their own cash doing it.
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2009-07-30, 16:44 | Link #164 | |
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You know, I really wonder what Tanigawa thinks of this. Of course, he probably had no say, but I wonder if he was even told beforehand. I doubt he would have thought this was a good idea---for all the bizarreness of the subject matter, Tanigawa isn't a huge stylistic iconoclast as the anime might make you think. He experimented with the alpha/beta threads in Disassociation , but compared to a Joyce or a Faulkner he's fairly conservative. |
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2009-07-30, 16:44 | Link #165 | |
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2009-07-30, 16:47 | Link #166 | |
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I also think that DVD sales are important here. That's what makes it such a tough situation. If the DVDs for this season sell downright terribly... then this anime, and possibly the Haruhi franchise as a whole, is dead. An anime with such incredible potential is finished, with no hope of revival. Sad... very, very sad. OTOH, if the Endless Eight DVDs sell really well... then the anime industry as a whole will stand up and think "Ha ha ha ha ha! These otaku will buy anything... anything... that has a cute marketable face on it! Time to cut costs back on animation quality and script-writing quality, boys and girls! We're going to do this on the cheap because as Endless Eight DVD sales prove, otakus will buy anything!" Watch the quality of anime (especially prominent anime) plummet. This is not just sad, this is a disaster. It's almost a no-win situation... Somewhere between "downright terribly" and "really well" there may be a sweet spot where KyoAni/Kadokawa goes "Ok... that fell just a bit short of our expectations... Haruhi can still sell, but we have to scrap stunts like Endless Eight in order to sell really well. Let's get back to doing this the Season 1 way!" I'm hoping for the sweet spot. Still, your Michael Jackson comparison resonates with me... |
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2009-07-30, 16:52 | Link #167 |
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I think some of the more critical/paranoid/self-obsessed fans have been declaring that for years. Despite the shifting culture and changing of the market tides, anime isn't dead yet. I don't think E8's succeeding would cause as significant of a change as you're fearmongering.
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2009-07-30, 17:00 | Link #168 | ||||
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The Haruhi novels are pretty traditional, they're just clever. Quote:
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Haruhi is VERY influential. Well, it used to be. |
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2009-07-30, 17:09 | Link #169 | |
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Midonin... Seriously now, is this good entertainment, in your mind? Is this a smart way to treat your fans? Is it fun to watch the same plot unfold before your eyes seven or more times in a matter of only a few weeks? Do you honestly blame the fans for reacting to this repetition the way that many of us are? My favorite movie of all time is probably Tim Burton's Batman (the one with Jack Nicholson as the Joker). As much as I loved that movie, I can honestly say that after viewing it four times in four weeks, I would not want to watch it again for a very long time. Is this aversion to repetition such a difficult concept to understand and accept? |
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2009-07-30, 17:17 | Link #170 |
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I can understand where people are coming from, but some of the reactions and absurd metaphors people have been using have been more in line with some of the types of the fans I've learned that I should probably avoid. All that over a TV show is a bit unnerving.
As for why I don't have a problem with it: Each episode is slightly different, the story is a time loop, and it's only 24 minutes of my viewing time once a week in a week where I watch and do plenty of other things. I'm certain that it will end eventually and I trust that the producers know exactly what they're doing. It doesn't bother me that much. |
2009-07-30, 17:19 | Link #171 | |
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2009-07-30, 17:20 | Link #172 |
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People who get really upset over the show are to invested. I agree. However that's hardly some carte blanche to just declare everything the producers good automatically golden. There are generally 2 types of people in this thread. The one's who overreact and think this is the end of the world and the people who convince themselves this is actually high quality.
I derive great amusement watching the two parties rip each other up.
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2009-07-30, 17:30 | Link #173 | |
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2009-07-30, 17:32 | Link #174 | |
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But yeah, I'm too invested in it. It doesn't help that my biggest interest next to anime is pro hockey (NHL), and this is NHL off-season... I was kind of hoping that anime wouldn't make this feel like an endless Summer... *ahem* |
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2009-07-30, 17:32 | Link #175 | |
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2009-07-30, 17:35 | Link #176 | |
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2009-07-30, 17:38 | Link #177 |
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As far as the Home Video Release is concenred ether two things are going to happen
1) Kadokawa gets a very rude awakening when the volumes don't sell. 2) Japan is confirmed to be a country of stupids who will eat whatever swill is shoved in their faces. and by christ I do NOT want it to be #2. |
2009-07-30, 17:40 | Link #179 |
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Seriously, fans, if you have any common sense, do not buy the Endless Eight DVDs when they come out (R1, R2, whatever region of DVDs you buy).
I used to buy anything Haruhi, DVDs, CDs, figures, novels, etc. But this is too much. I hope the Japanese Otaku get a point too - that is, animation companies HAVE NO RIGHT to toy with consumers like this - Kadokawa and KyoAni needs to be taught a lesson. I will buy the first DVD (R1) (with Bamboo Leaf and maybe 2 episodes of Endless Eight) and skip the rest (at least 2 DVDs) until the last episode of Endless Eight. I will enjoy watching the crash of the DVD sales. e.g. Bamboo Leaf: 50,000 sold. Endless Eight: 100 sold. EDIT: Actually I saw a pretty good idea: Buy the DVDs and smash them in a high-publicity event. But then again Kadokawa actually will make money from this so maybe not that great an idea after all - the point is to make Kadokawa and KyoAni suffer financially. |
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