2010-04-16, 10:38 | Link #1 |
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Out of Context Content Skewed - Vampire Bund, Himari & More
Many online sites that let you read manga or watch anime (legally and "illegally") have removed just about all mature content, regardless of what it's about or how much "mature" content it may contain. I find this understandable with regards to the child characters being depicted in questionable situations however there are series such as Futari Ecchi, which has all adults and is even educational, taking the fall and that is unfortunate. Then there are series like Vampire Bund, Omamori Himari and Kaichou wa maid-sama, which are not about sex, taking hits because of this.
What is everyone's opinion on this sort of thing? Relevant reading: http://l7world.com/2010/04/google-sp...rnography.html http://www.animenation.net/blog/2010...eing-censored/ http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-obscene-manga
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2010-04-16, 12:47 | Link #3 | |
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The links you provide don't seem terribly relevant to this issue... but they are relevant to people concerned about the level of witch-hunting that seems to be growing on access to material no one was harmed in the making of. The equation of "child pornography" with *drawings* and *animation* as well as obvious cluelessness about cultural differences (or even getting the ages of characters completely wrong or smearing underage-vs-pedo) is a separate topic that has its own disturbing "thoughtcrime" problems.
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2010-04-16, 13:35 | Link #4 |
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Well, the author of the first link throwing the term "child pornography" around like it's nothing certainly managed to tick me off.
Reminds me of the people I've meet who feel the need to make sure you know damn well that they aren't perverted lolicons by railing against stuff like the anime version of Moon Phase. Although those people probably strike me as even more ridiculous. Edit: The precedent from the Handley case is that anime/manga can be considered child pornography if they are obscene right? I seem to remember that being a key factor. If that's the case, then the starcade guy in the second link is actually the one who needs to get his facts straight, not the other posters.
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And as for the Handley case, at first I thought it was the authorities overreacting and all, but he was quite extreme. Either way, I think his case has led to this "witch hunt" as you put it.
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2010-04-16, 15:18 | Link #10 |
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Yeah, think of the children. Most of them carry guns these days so it is very important to be worried about them.
Hey wait a second, where did they get the guns? ... Oh, I see, you get one for free if you buy 10 kilos of oranges. And all these manga are commanding them to kill on sight. I see, it's all the grown ups fault for DOING ALL THAT SHIT. |
2010-04-16, 15:22 | Link #11 |
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Everywhere I look when it's talk about 1984, censorship, privacy rights abolishment... it's the "Please, Think of the Children!" argument that pops up the most.
And the majority fall for it. Sigh.
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2010-04-16, 15:49 | Link #13 |
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I still don't see why it is necessary to go after people for DRAWINGS instead of say spending the time trying to save real children from being abused. It just sounds like a witchhunt. It certainly doesn't make me feel safer that he is being put away.
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2010-04-16, 16:33 | Link #14 |
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Yes, the content was... but the notion that *drawings* (no real beings misused in the production of, other than sweatshop animators) are contraband just sets off all kinds of alarm bells. If you read the prosecution's case, they *knew* they had to walk all sorts of tightropes and in the end, it came down to scaring Handley into settling on some sort of conviction so the prosecution could parade about "saving the children" ... except there aren't any.
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2010-04-16, 17:46 | Link #18 |
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Technically, yeah -- the precedent now exists (or rather that the law wasn't fully challenged) that stick figures may or may not be illegal depending on how you labeled them or what you thought you were drawing. :P
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