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[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

It's like the dawn of WWI all over again, which both sides painted the other as Monsters.

Well we're about due for one again, the last generation has about all died off, so it's about time for the latest one to fuck things up.

[HasuMasu]

Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

But what happens if you get a woman to do the criticizing? She labeled as a traitor to the regime or something?

Something like that...and it does happen.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Seven decades of bitterness

And I thought Vietnam is the worst country to learn history.

"DEATH TO ALL JUICE!"


My reaction to the header pic.

Also sums up the whole issue rather succintly

[Seitsuki]

Mao and the CCP killed millions and millions more but he gets his picture stuck on the wall. People eh?

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Victors write the history.

[Fireminer]

"Who control Present, control Past. Who control Past, control Future."

1984


And it's not Mao, but a whole system fall. Just like Bush isn't the only one who started Iraq war.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

^ Only thing I remember about that quote is when its used in Command and Conquer, when Kane goes back in time to control the Russians or something.

But to play on another quote "One mans liberation is another mans invasion."

[Fireminer]

To continue the idea line:

Japanese ex-PM meets S. Korean "comfort women"

Murayama: Social Democratic party

Abe: Liberal Democratic party

Socialism>Conservatism?

[kyp275]

…you realize that kind of oversimplification and broad-stroke generalization is the exact same tactic used by extremist talking heads to generate controversy and flame wars in just about any topic right?

For example:
US: wins cold war
Soviets: loses cold war
Capitalism > communism?

Or,
French accent: sexy
British accent: meh
France > UK?

Or even:
Japan: loli maids and maid café
Rest of world: nope
Japan > rest of world?

[Fireminer]

No, I mean which is the better, SDP or LDP? Or basically, who wouldn't try to ignite an useless flame, as well as get the job done?

(With Abe's case, it's not really - or could be very - useless. With China next to them.)



And not all that question like that are bad. For example:

C.C: Immortal Witch

Evangeline: Immortal Vampire

So who is better?



EDIT: Forget my previous question. C.C wins.

Also, to wrap up this day:

Pope talks with engaged couples on Valentine Day

[kyp275]

as Evangeline is a loli immortal tsundere vampire, she wins by default

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

"Who control Present, control Past. Who control Past, control Future."

1984


And it's not Mao, but a whole system fall. Just like Bush isn't the only one who started Iraq war.

Mao tried to run peace time industries the same way he controlled his armies. The system failed, but it was HIS system. He designed it. He set goals and told his people to reach it by hook or by crook, which is fine if you are talking about fighting a civil war; not so good when you were trying to industrialize. And the bit about trying to modernise by literally destroying everything that was physically old? Very Mao.

[MrTerrorist]

Florence mayor Matteo Renzi tipped to be Italy's youngest PM

Florence mayor Matteo Renzi is expected to be offered the chance to become Italian prime minister, as talks begin on forming a new government.

President Georgio Napolitano is starting consultations following the resignation of Enrico Letta.

He was ousted in a vote called by Mr Renzi at a meeting of their centre-left Democratic Party. The 39-year-old would be Italy's youngest prime minister.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Mao and the CCP killed millions and millions more but he gets his picture stuck on the wall. People eh?

you do know the difference between accidents and murder right?

Mao and CCP didn't set out to kill million. Their ineptness in economics kill those people.

Japan's army deliberately kill and rape civilians.

Also Mao gets extra points form throwing out the West and uniting most of the country.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

you do know the difference between accidents and murder right?

Mao and CCP didn't set out to kill million. Their ineptness in economics kill those people.

Japan's army deliberately kill and rape civilians.

Also Mao gets extra points form throwing out the West and uniting most of the country.

So the mass lynching of the cultural revolution didn't count as murder then? All those people drop dead for no reason huh?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

So the mass lynching of the cultural revolution didn't count as murder then? All those people drop dead for no reason huh?

that does count but the millions die form the great leap forward not the culture revolution. CR did a lot of damage in different ways but the majority of deaths came form wrong head idiots on how to run the economy.

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

you do know the difference between accidents and murder right?

Mao and CCP didn't set out to kill million. Their ineptness in economics kill those people.

Japan's army deliberately kill and rape civilians.

Also Mao gets extra points form throwing out the West and uniting most of the country.

Realistically, how much of a difference does it make when one foreign nation invades and kills 20 million, and when your kill 20 million of your own people through gross incompetence and negligence?

Personally, at that scale I don't really think intent matters anymore.

I would also disagree with the characterization of the GLF as an "accident".

Spun out on an icy road? yes
Unfortunate midair collision? yes
The Titanic? yes ( but not the movie!)

Deaths on a scale that surpasses even genocides? no.

Not unless you are Grand Moff Tarkin and you accidentally hit the big red button to the Superlaser on the Death Star while dozing off.

[Fireminer]

Yes, I know that Mao has did something terrible, all these eradication for political purpose. But have you ever think about the grudge that the poor farmers hold to the landlords and elitles, long before Mao got into power? The old flame of feudalism. If not for that grudge, do you really think that thousands Red Guards could have let their hands stained with blood? It's a way to vent the anger of the unlightened masses.

And Vallen, maybe you should stop these anti-China comments. Even I, who don't like China, find them to be controlled by emotion too much.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

that does count but the millions die form the great leap forward not the culture revolution. CR did a lot of damage in different ways but the majority of deaths came form wrong head idiots on how to run the economy.

From my point of view, The Japanese goverment invaded China because they thought it was for the greater good (and from a japanese economical perspective, it probably was). The Mao regime implemented agricultural procedures that killed millions of people because they thought they were doing the greater good. In the end there is no diference, all goverments will do the worst atrocities ALWAYS citing the greater good as the reason, no one will say "Hey, we are evil, let's do some killing!"

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

From my point of view, The Japanese goverment invaded China because they thought it was for the greater good (and from a japanese economical perspective, it probably was). The Mao regime implemented agricultural procedures that killed millions of people because they thought they were doing the greater good. In the end there is no diference, all goverments will do the worst atrocities ALWAYS citing the greater good as the reason, no one will say "Hey, we are evil, let's do some killing!"

oh sure it is was for the greater good of Japan but what has that to do with China? Unless you think dissecting poor Chinese farmers alive was for the good of the Chinese people.