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Chris38 · 2012-03-02, 09:26

Spoiler for 51, Moka:

Well, one thing the development in the current chapter is going to do, is awaken some pretty complex feelings within Inner Moka (and partially Outer Moka as well, if she is going to survive the events of the current arc - after all, considering the state she is currently in, I'm having some doubts about that)...

After all, for starters she is the one, that would feel responsible for Tsukune losing his humanity (after all, while the details of his current form haven't been revealed yet, one thing that I'm sure about is that Tsukune doesn't have a lot of similarities with a human, even if he physically retained some part of his humanity... but, it's definitely true that he can't return to the life he had, before he entered Youkai Academy - not that Tsukune would want to do that, at this point, but Moka doesn't know that yet. )

Second of all, while Inner Moka is definitely going to be proud of Tsukune for becoming so strong in such a short period of time, I'm sure that some part of her is going to blame herself for becoming weaker then Tsukune, and we already know that she hates that - of course one of the solutions to that problem would be the breaking of her Rosario as well, but honestly we all know the consequences of that, so I doubt that's going to happen in the current arc.

So, shortly speaking, after this chapter, I'm definitely expecting some major changes in Tsukune's and Moka's relationship, after all I'm quite sure that when it comes to the "race" issue, Moka and Tsukune have definitely become more similar then they have been, before the events of the current chapter or more precisely, before Tsukune has underwent the human modification ritual...

Naturally I'm not talking about what other vampires would think of Moka's and Tsukune's relationship but rather their lifespans, after all we already know that vampires in this manga live for about 200 years (most likely longer then that, if I have to put any guesses, I would say that vampires in this manga, or at least those vampires who posses the blood of a Shinso vampire in their veins, are immortal - in the sense that they can't die, because of their age), while humans definitely don't live for such a long time...

@Soji

Spoiler for 51 - Tsukune:

Merilyn Mensola · 2012-03-02, 09:46

Yeha..,There is, a simile between Moka and Tsukune now..

Moka=Outer Moka with Rosario, Inner Moka withou Rosario vampire form,Full power Shinso Blood

Tsukune = Tsukune with holy lock, Tsukune vampire form without holy lock,Full power Shinso blood

Both of them now, are really similar...

Tachibana · 2012-03-02, 09:47

Spoiler for Tsukune:

Johnny · 2012-03-02, 10:07

Spoiler for ch 51:

Tempest35 · 2012-03-02, 10:12

Hnnn, very good, very good. *nods*

Unfortunately, I have to get to work so I'll let Magin speak for me when he gets the chance.

Only thing(s) that really alludes me is/are:

Spoiler for #1 nagging feeling:

Spoiler for #2 Hmmm:

Spoiler for #3 Hrrr:

Spoiler for #4 GYAAAAAAAGHHHH!:

Chris38 · 2012-03-02, 11:32

@Tempest35

Spoiler for 51:

Mahou · 2012-03-02, 11:38

Full script of the chapter:
' ... ' = thoughts
I had no idea who was talking at the first page. And obviously, there are a few parts which sound stranger than the rest.

Spoiler for Script - 51:

Tachibana · 2012-03-02, 11:45

Spoiler for Kiria:

Chris38 · 2012-03-02, 12:17

Thanks mahou for the rough translation of the chapter, at least now I know what the chapter is mostly about, so waiting for some group to pick R+V up, won't be as bad as I initially thought.

Spoiler for 51:

Tachibana · 2012-03-02, 12:24

Spoiler for Tsukune:

Chris38 · 2012-03-02, 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for Tsukune:

Spoiler for Re: Tsukune:

Tachibana · 2012-03-02, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for Re: Tsukune:

Spoiler for Tsukune:

Magin · 2012-03-02, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest35

Hnnn, very good, very good. *nods*

Unfortunately, I have to get to work so I'll let Magin speak for me when he gets the chance.

Spoiler for #4 GYAAAAAAAGHHHH!:

Jusst because we're on the same page with this stuff doesn't mean that we'll be sharing the same thoughts... in fact, mine might be a bit... extreme, shall we say?

Actually, to be fully honest, the last chapter I read (in English) was Ruby's win, and then I saw the RAW for Yukari and Fong Fong's battle... so I'm a wee bit behind. But, based on what I've seen and read here...

Spoiler for 51:

Chris38 · 2012-03-02, 14:17

@Magin

Spoiler for 51:

leokiko · 2012-03-02, 14:20

51:

*that awesome moment everyone was waiting for*

'nuff said.

Soji · 2012-03-02, 14:35

Maybe I'm wrong

Spoiler for 51:

Tachibana · 2012-03-02, 15:12

Spoiler for 51:

aigomorla · 2012-03-02, 17:45

Spoiler:

Magin · 2012-03-02, 17:52

Nah, the series ain't coming to an end for some time. First off, not only do we have to finish off FT, but I suspect then we'll have to deal with Masked King after FT.

cyberdemon · 2012-03-02, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magin

Nah, the series ain't coming to an end for some time. First off, not only do we have to finish off FT, but I suspect then we'll have to deal with Masked King after FT.

yeah they still have their 3rd year of school left as well.

2012-03-02, 09:26	Link #21801
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Spoiler for 51, Moka: Well, one thing the development in the current chapter is going to do, is awaken some pretty complex feelings within Inner Moka (and partially Outer Moka as well, if she is going to survive the events of the current arc - after all, considering the state she is currently in, I'm having some doubts about that)... After all, for starters she is the one, that would feel responsible for Tsukune losing his humanity (after all, while the details of his current form haven't been revealed yet, one thing that I'm sure about is that Tsukune doesn't have a lot of similarities with a human, even if he physically retained some part of his humanity... but, it's definitely true that he can't return to the life he had, before he entered Youkai Academy - not that Tsukune would want to do that, at this point, but Moka doesn't know that yet. ) Second of all, while Inner Moka is definitely going to be proud of Tsukune for becoming so strong in such a short period of time, I'm sure that some part of her is going to blame herself for becoming weaker then Tsukune, and we already know that she hates that - of course one of the solutions to that problem would be the breaking of her Rosario as well, but honestly we all know the consequences of that, so I doubt that's going to happen in the current arc. So, shortly speaking, after this chapter, I'm definitely expecting some major changes in Tsukune's and Moka's relationship, after all I'm quite sure that when it comes to the "race" issue, Moka and Tsukune have definitely become more similar then they have been, before the events of the current chapter or more precisely, before Tsukune has underwent the human modification ritual... Naturally I'm not talking about what other vampires would think of Moka's and Tsukune's relationship but rather their lifespans, after all we already know that vampires in this manga live for about 200 years (most likely longer then that, if I have to put any guesses, I would say that vampires in this manga, or at least those vampires who posses the blood of a Shinso vampire in their veins, are immortal - in the sense that they can't die, because of their age), while humans definitely don't live for such a long time... @Soji Spoiler for 51 - Tsukune: Well, if it comes to only his appearance, I agree that the current Tsukune definitely looks more vampire like then he did before... I also believe that like Inner Moka, Tsukune's current appearance, is permanent, in other words, that he can't return to the "human like" appearance he had before, and unlike Moka I doubt that Tsukune will receive a Rosario to disguise his appearance, since I don't think that either Tohou Fuhai or Mikogami will be able to make a Rosario that will be capable of surpassing the power of a Shinso vampire... which means that Tsukune's future visits to the human world, might become a problem.

2012-03-02, 09:46	Link #21802
Merilyn Mensola I am a Boxer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Where hot girls are fighting!	Yeha..,There is, a simile between Moka and Tsukune now.. Moka=Outer Moka with Rosario, Inner Moka withou Rosario vampire form,Full power Shinso Blood Tsukune = Tsukune with holy lock, Tsukune vampire form without holy lock,Full power Shinso blood Both of them now, are really similar... __________________

2012-03-02, 09:47	Link #21803
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	Spoiler for Tsukune: Vampire eyes, vampire fangs and the Shinso vampire bat themed aura in the background, oh man, you know that Tsukune is going to be doing some serious asskicking. I like how Ikeda drew the Holy Lock chains in this chapter, I believe it symbolized how Tsukune was being restrained and limited to the power he has and not being able anything, like a bat trapped in the cage and when his Holy Lock broke, it was like the door to his cage was opened and he was free to soar the night skies, I know poetic right? Oh well I described it that way because of the epicness this chapter brought out. __________________

2012-03-02, 10:07	Link #21804
Johnny Working the bags... Join Date: Mar 2009	Spoiler for ch 51: Guess from the summary I seen it wasn't the holy lock snapping, but more of a metaphoric type of chain thing. Tsukune was afraid of him subconsciously from their last encounter and it was holding him back until Tsukune got pissed off after his taunting...

2012-03-02, 10:12	Link #21805
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Hnnn, very good, very good. nods Unfortunately, I have to get to work so I'll let Magin speak for me when he gets the chance. Only thing(s) that really alludes me is/are: Spoiler for #1 nagging feeling: I want a full disclosure on just WHAT that lock was really doing to Tsukune! Does it respond to the bearer's mental stability as well!? C'mon! Spoiler for #2 Hmmm: Is he a sentient ghoul now or has he finished his metamorphsis into a vampire? (ties in with #1 and alludes to him being classified as ghoul throughout the majority of the series)(Also, I already know that technically, he's been more vampire than ghoul as of late due to the training...buuut, humans love labeling/naming things so... ) Spoiler for #3 Hrrr: Miyabi, Miyabi, Miyabi...just what is going on inside that head of yours...Is this just a 'lulz moment' for you? I can't imagine him joining Tsukune's group. At all. Spoiler for #4 GYAAAAAAAGHHHH!: WHERE IS URA!? SHE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!!!! And on that, I don't think that Ura would be sad in any way to see Tsukune 'surpass' her. In fact, she probably couldn't feel more proud (or turned on ) of the one she loves reaching her level after all this time. She was content to protect him when he was weaker but now that he's so much stronger than he was before, at least as strong as she is or even more so now, she will now desire him. __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2012-03-02, 11:32	Link #21806
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	@Tempest35 Spoiler for 51: Well, considering the state Outer Moka is currently in - after all, one thing that I'm sure about, after seeing her in the current chapter is that the ritual to try and revive Alucard is taking quite a heavy toll on her, so naturally we can't deny the possibility that Outer Moka won't be able to withstand this ordeal, causing Inner Moka to appear... Still, the chances of that happening are pretty low, unless we are actually going to get a huge plot twist, on the matter of the conditions that are required for Alucard to fully reawaken. On the matter of Inner Moka's reaction, after seeing how strong Tsukune has gotten, after thinking about it, I agree that it's definitely going to make her quite happy that he has gotten strong enough, so that he would be capable of protecting himself, without needing her help, and it might make her a little more honest about her own romantic feelings toward him, but I still think it's going to take some time, before Moka and Tsukune will actually become a couple, since I believe that there is still a lot of chapters and arcs ahead of us, before we will see the end of this manga, even if Tsukune's transformation has been finalized... After all, Tsukune reaching the final stage of his vampire transformation, doesn't mean that he has mastered the full extent of his vampire powers, and one thing that I'm sure about, is that Tsukune is definitely going to need Inner Moka's help (who's still more experienced in using her vampire abilities compared to Tsukune) to achieve that...

2012-03-02, 11:38	Link #21807
Mahou ダメ人 - 人間失格 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany Age: 37	Full script of the chapter: ' ... ' = thoughts I had no idea who was talking at the first page. And obviously, there are a few parts which sound stranger than the rest. Spoiler for Script - 51: Page 1: ??: We from the Fairytale's first division are the diplomacy division with deep connection to both the political world and financial society of the human world. Sidetext: A devil's back will be covered by another devil ... That's why the aura of death usually comes from behind. ??: You are the boss and I am the vice chief. ??: You will put on the face as a politican in the human world and I will fulfill my duty in the background within the darkness. Chapter 51: Curse Page 2: Kiria: We have known eachother for a long time already so let me give you just now a warning. Kiria: Miyabi, Gyokuro has already marked your movements. As a traitor who opposes Fairytale. Kiria: That's why I was send on her request! In order to obliterate Tsukune-tachi and you together. Page 3: Mizore: Miyabi ...! Miyabi: .... You noticed something strange. Kiria: That's exactly why we know eachother for so long. Miyabi: So why Kiria? You, who hates being restrained, must have a reason to obey nobody except Gyourkuro. Why ... Page 4: Miyabi: Guhh ...! Page 5: Kiria: I'm just acting on a whim. Isn't it a good reason? Kiria: Besides, move aside. I want to finish the two behind your back first. Miyabi: Go-! I've come with you for this from the beginning ... I didn't sense more than that Kiria turned hostile. It's my responsibility to stop it ...! Page 6: Miyai: GO! It's not far until you reach Moka's location. So hurry on and leave this place to me! Mizore: .... Let's go ... Kurumu: Mizore!? Mizore: Sorry Miyabi I still don't trust you, but I hire you for here. Page 7: Kurumu: Wai ... Wait Mizoree! Miaybi: ... Fu ... You know my true character the best ... What a sweet girl you are Shirayuki ... Kiria: Ch.. Wait! I won't let you go! Page 8: Miyabi: Nontheless, now I don't need to go easy on you. Right Kiria? Page 9: Miyabi: Remember one more time who your boss is. Kiria: ... Miaybii Page 10: Kurumu: ... .... Not here ... It's not here Mizore. Haven't Tsukune and Ruby been there until recently!? Mizore: Leaving this behind only we can move forward ... Mizore: It can't be helped. Both of them were sent to another different place. Even if they wait there, there would be no meaning for it. Kurumu: BUT ... Page 11: Kurumu: KYAA?! W .. What's with this!? Incredible Youkis are clashing ...! Mizore: It has begun. The battle between those monsters ... Mizore: 'Wherever we are, we have the same target place. That were your words Tsukune! In order to meet up once again, we can also do nothing more, but advance...!' Mizore: 'We go ahead and wait ... You will definitely come ... no matter what ......! Page 12: Ruby: Tsukune-san! Page 14: Kuyou: Kuku, what's wrong Tsukune? I heard earlier you've gotten stronger like none else ... Kuyou: Seems like no big deal. Page 16: Tsukune: '... ...! Heavy .....! As if my limbs are completely chained up. Why at a time like this ... Why- ...' Ruby: 'He's strong ...! I heard stories about him ... This is the flame-manipulator Youko Kuyou ...! Ruby: Until recently, the "strongest man in Youkai Academy". He infliced a heavy wound to the human Tsukune-san and from there on his life changed ... Ruby: They are like fated enemies Ruby: 'No good, He's the natural enemy who Tsukune has difficulties to fight against.' Ruby: 'He's being swallowed?' Page 18: Ruby: 'His body still remembers the fear from the enemy who defeated him once. A fear that is slowly killing him. His body is unconsiously cowering in fear.' Ruby: 'There's no way he can win ...! He'll be tormented to death.' Kuyou: Kukuku what's wrong Tsukune? You cannot win by only escaping. Kuyou: Are you scared? Scared ... Page 19: Kuyou: OF ME ...? Page 20: Ruby: It's dangerous TSUKUNE! Page 21: Tsukune: RUBY-SAN------! Ruby-san HANG ON RUBY-SAN! Kuyou: Very good ... Your past expression has splendidly come back, hasn't it Tsukune ... Kuyou: This is good. This suits you well. Page 22: Kyou: You having gotten stronger is an "illusion". You were always protected by your women and you mistook this too much as your strenght. Kuyou: After all, the way the weak who can't do anything fight is to team up. But, if they are scattered one by one like this, you can crush them instantly. Kuyou: Ah, le me tell you something else about it. The boy of the Fong family and the Sorceress girl, they are also your friends right? Tsukune: '... Fong Fong and Yukari-chan? Did something happen to those to ...?' Page 23: Kuyou: They died! They fell into the hands of Kairen's 8th division. It seems their corpses are so messed up that you can't make out their original shape. Tsukune: Uh ... Page 24: Kuyou: Ha HAHAHAHAHAHA, This face! I WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS FACE TSUKUNEE! Page 25: Kuyou: I SHOULD CHASE AFTER YOUR FRIEND YOU KEEP YEARNING FOR! Page 26: Kuyou: .... .... ! Wha ... Page 27: Kuyou: GAFUU ...! Kuyou: 'What the heck ...!? Why was I blown away!? Just what the hell -------...' Tsukune: ... I see ... It wasn't the time for me to do something like that ... Tsukune: I have to protect everyone ... Page 28: Tsukune: Out of the way Kuyou Tsukune: I will kill you ... Page 29: Moka: Don't ...Don't! Don't come. You shouldn't have come ...! Kurumu: It seems whe somehow managed to arrive first. Kurumu: Moka ... Sidetext: They reached the lowest floor!! Page 30: Sidetext: They just want to convey one single word ... Let's go back together Last edited by Mahou; 2012-03-02 at 11:50.

2012-03-02, 11:45	Link #21808
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	Spoiler for Kiria: It appears that Kiria has been on Gyokuro's side as well as being a spy the whole time and that he was ordered to kill everyone including Miyabi and Hokuto that she suspected as traitors, which also explains a lot. Gyokuro knew that Moka's friends would come, she also knew that the 1st subdivision was going to rebel under Miyabi's word, this could also explain why she was so fond of hearing about Tsukune, if I had to say anything than its that she knows he has the Shinso blood and that using Moka was merely a ruse when in fact she was the bait in order to lure Tsukune there, but it appears the Akua is unaware of this knowledge seeing as she still believes it's Moka's power that will do the trick. __________________

2012-03-02, 12:17	Link #21809
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Thanks mahou for the rough translation of the chapter, at least now I know what the chapter is mostly about, so waiting for some group to pick R+V up, won't be as bad as I initially thought. Spoiler for 51: Well, Kiria being a spy for Gyokuro has definitely surprised me. As for the rest of the chapter, well Kuyou has definitely picked the wrong subject to taunt Tsukune, looks like he hasn't learned what actually causes Tsukune to show his badass side. As for Moka being a bait to lure Tsukune, well honestly speaking we still don't know if he has enough to actually cause Alucard to reawaken from his slumber, meaning that even if Gyokuro's plan has been to lure Tsukune to Fairy Tale's HQ so that he would reawaken Alucard, I doubt that she's going to be successful in achieving that (for reasons that probably have already been mentioned a few months ago) Although, if I have to put my personal opinions I don't think that Gyokuro is actually aware of the fact that Tsukune has inherited Moka's Shinso blood, she might have learned from Kiria that Tsukune has received a few injections of Moka's blood, but considering how her personality has been shown so far, I think she underestimated the variability of that information, probably being more interested in the fact that Tsukune is capable of removing Moka's Rosario, which, overall, is going to cause her plans to fail, since she underestimated Tsukune's real capabilities.

2012-03-02, 12:24	Link #21810
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	Spoiler for Tsukune: It's ironic that Kuyou being the person to inflict trauma on Tsukune and at the same time being the one to set his Shinso powers free. __________________

2012-03-02, 14:17	Link #21814
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	@Magin Spoiler for 51: Well, will see in a few chapters if you're predictions are correct are not. Well, for now at least, it seems that Tsukune still remains in control, and I assume that things are going to stay that way, even if Tsukune might get a little pissed, once he sees the state Moka currently is in. After all, in my opinion, Tsukune loosing control of himself, and his powers going out of control, would be pretty predictable approach, and I believe that thanks to Kuyou's "upgrade", Tsukune has already "cleared" the stage, where his powers go out of control, and consume his sanity. The reason why I believe that has actually happened is, well we have already seen, during the training before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ that Tsukune still remained vaguely aware of what he was doing during his latest berserk rampage, and in the current chapter, I believe that he has finally found the will that would allow him to keep his vampire blood under his control... which has, most likely caused the Holy Lock that Tsukune has been wearing to break... So, I doubt that we will see Tsukune going out of control, like he did before, since Kuyou has allowed Tsukune to find something, that allows him to control the vampire blood within his veins - the desire to protect his friends, and save the women he loves At least that's how I interpreted the events of the current chapter.

2012-03-02, 14:20	Link #21815
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	51: that awesome moment everyone was waiting for 'nuff said.

2012-03-02, 14:35	Link #21816
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	Maybe I'm wrong Spoiler for 51: But from Mahou translation seem to me that Tsukune has realized something.And this made him finally use his vampire power in this way.Wich mean that I agree with Chris38 in this. We will dont see anymore Tsukune lose control over is vampire power.

2012-03-02, 15:12	Link #21817
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	Spoiler for 51: It couldn't have been the trauma inflicted on him by Kuyou that made him not use his power and transform, I agree with Soji that something happen, to be more accurate I believe that Tsukune realized that he no longer has to hold back and that he will go far as to kill Kuyou to protect his friends and to rescue Moka. Chris38 has a point that its not in his nature to kill someone, but perhaps the warlike nature of the Shinso vampire blood in his body is influencing his actions when he threated to kill Kuyou, Moka noted that Tsukune doesn't have "will" or "killing intent" to defeat someone so it looks like this event has finally brought that out which means that Tsukune's brutal nature is starting to match Ura-Moka's brutal nature. __________________

2012-03-02, 17:45	Link #21818
aigomorla 100% Tsun... 0% Dere Join Date: Jan 2012	Spoiler: Well, man... this series seems like its coming to the end. His locket... not rosario finally snapped. We were expecting that thing to snap, but i didnt see the possibility of it happening this season. I mean we were already given hints that it was majorly stressed, but i was also thinking TF would of done something to that locket to beef it up, or make it stronger. Looks like he instead just made Tsuki overall stronger, so he could control it with the new body he reconstructed. Also guys... Tsuki has a locket no a rosario which is the same locket the previous student body president had.. Moka's Rosario is what makes this title.. Vampire + Rosario. But this time also, he didnt flip or lose it... and yes kyuou is fubared... I expect tsuki in pissed off mode will most likely rival inner moka, and possibly be even stronger with TF's Youjitsu. Also i wonder what gyokuro is doing.. (moka's step mom)... She obviously knows tsuki has transcended... I wonder if she is happy a new addition to the "family" has arrived, or if she will still be bent on killing him, or if she dropped to the floor and pissed in her panties when tsuki transcended. Also if Tsuki beats Akua, it will most likely mean Tsuki > Moka. Actually Black Tsuki alone is probably already greater then inner moka.

2012-03-02, 17:52	Link #21819
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	Nah, the series ain't coming to an end for some time. First off, not only do we have to finish off FT, but I suspect then we'll have to deal with Masked King after FT. __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!