Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[MonkeyDude]

Finding it difficult to wipe the smile off my face after watching this episode. The events played similar to a manga that just got the pink slip. Let's just jam as much material into the last episode as possible! The first half is a contrived reason for the final confrontation between Inaho and Slaine to finally settle their non-existent rivalry. The rest...TIMESKIP! And of course Inaho got himself a badass eyepatch because why the hell not? Oh and no one died, but that's Aldnoah.Zero for you.

Though the attempt at making Slaine a tragic hero takes the cake. Maybe if we had another cour it could have been done, but sheesh way to just shoehorn that one in.

[Houreki]

What's this bs of saving Slaine just to put him in prision for the rest of his life.

Also it seems that they forgot to go in deep about Slaine's father and his research about Aldnoah and they just decide to dedicate it a few lines in the last minute.

[Leo_Otaku]

Originally Posted by nooneagain

so does that mean he is responsible for this ending as well? I'm not really knowledgeable when it comes to production and stuff.

Gen Interview:

You’ve usually stated in past interviews that you have connections to your characters. In Aldnoah Zero, which is currently airing, what do you think is your connection to Inaho?

I did not create the characters in Aldnoah. I made the mainframe of the story until the preliminary version. But in fact Inaho’s character is different than what I wrote. I don’t really have a connection with this character, so this is an exception.

https://nekoshiritori.wordpress.com/...-gen-urobuchi/


He really wasn't involved much at all. He would've saved it from sucking, had he of been in charge of writing.

[EternalSpringFlower]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

All I get from this is that Mr. Perfect Robot and Ms. Perfect Princess were always right about everything and Slaine was always wrong about everything.

That's more unintentional irony from the writers.

If Slaine literally did nothing from the very beginning of the first cour--if he just stayed where he was, not trying to save Asseylum or act in any way--it is very likely he would have been at Asseylum's side right now as her loyal companion/servant, plotting for ways to seduce her away from her Personality Zero political husband.

As for Inaho, what's his character's journey? If you are a good soldier who fights with everything you've got, you lose an eye, then lose the girl and then you get to... keep being a soldier.

[aeriolewinters]

All I get from this is that Mr. Perfect Robot and Ms. Perfect Princess were always right about everything and Slaine was always wrong about everything.

I feel there's a sudden need to rewatch SEED Destiny again to see another case of this happening.

At least the Lacus this time isn't an all-knowing deity, and the Kira this time loses an eye, remains Lacus' friend and not his rebound GF.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Leo_Otaku

Gen Interview:

https://nekoshiritori.wordpress.com/...-gen-urobuchi/


He really wasn't involved much at all. He would've saved it from sucking, had he of been in charge of writing.

Well he's involvement has been writing the premise and taking the money,and giving interviews that he barely was involved,when his premise was taken in another direction.But if he wrote the first 3 eps that featured the main cast,does that make him their creator?Or his script was edited to death?

Originally Posted by EternalSpringFlower

That's more unintentional irony from the writers.

If Slaine literally did nothing from the very beginning of the first cour--if he just stayed where he was, not trying to save Asseylum or act in any way--it is very likely he would have been at Asseylum's side right now as her loyal companion/servant, plotting for ways to seduce her away from her Personality Zero political husband.

As for Inaho, what's his character's journey? If you are a good soldier who fights with everything you've got, you lose an eye, then lose the girl and then you get to... keep being a soldier.

You win the best girl,onee-chan!

[lubczyk]

You know, in the end, Slaine is still an unsung hero of sorts He carried the whole blame for the war away from Vers and Asseylum. He also ensured Asseylum, Eddie and Lemrina lived. It is though his actions that Lemrina was finally able to set foot on Earth.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

You know, in the end, Slaine is still an unsung hero of sorts He carried the whole blame for the war away from Vers and Asseylum. He also ensured Asseylum, Eddie and Lemrina lived. It is though his actions that Lemrina was finally able to set foot on Earth.

Uhm,no,if it was all planned like Lelouch did,yes he may be called an unsung hero,BUT the difference is,he only failed and lost in the battle,and also because Hime escaped,and his real plan was to commit genocide and assimilate Earth.

[EternalSpringFlower]

Originally Posted by Forge

That was bad. The only one who really gets the great ending is Count Crouton who gets to bang the princess. Weird, weird, weird. We didn't even get an epic final battle. Just Slaine's forces getting neutered while the other counts watch with glee.

The writers did a LOST. No idea how to end things.

Count Crouton is the unsung hero... wait, he's a very sung one actually. He rides in on his white shuttle, saves the princess, saves the day together with her in front of everyone, cue massive NTR, he marries the princess, he is praised as a hero by everyone (maybe not the Vers' lower class citizens, of course, but no one gives af about them despite their fate having been a plot point back when, guess they'll have to be satisfied that they can watch their hot new Empress on their video screens now instead of their old Emperor whose blond hair was not as shiny).

That's the greatest twist that's been pulled on us. The true main character of Aldnoah Zero is Cruhteo Jr.

[lubczyk]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Uhm,no,if it was all planned like Lelouch did,yes he may be called an unsung hero,BUT the difference is,he only failed and lost in the battle,and also because Hime escaped,and his real plan was to commit genocide and assimilate Earth.

For all the evil he committed, he still decided to commit some noble acts in the end, even if they wouldn't redeem him. After being stubbornly against Asseylum multiple times, with good reason, he admitted his defeat and showed humility. I expected him to continue the war to the bitter end, taking everyone on the moon base, including Lemrina, down with him. That's noble, considering all the other characters in this story. In how many stories does the bad guy go, "Fuck it, I can't win. I might as well evacuate my minions to safety at this point?" No other character in this show made such a change of heart.

[aeriolewinters]

That's the greatest twist that's been pulled on us. The true main character of Aldnoah Zero is Cruhteo Jr.

The hero and heroine of the story need not end with each other, that is just a bonus. They both were selfless and trying to put themselves on the line, rather than put another person on the line. That's what Slaine did. By continuing with Saazbaum's plan, he willingly put blood on Asseylum's hands.

[EternalSpringFlower]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

The hero and heroine of the story need not end with each other, that is just a bonus. They both were selfless and trying to put themselves on the line, rather than put another person on the line. That's what Slaine did. By continuing with Saazbaum's plan, he willingly put blood on Asseylum's hands.

They don't need to end up with each other, but it shouldn't be an asspull like that. The whole storyline with Cruhteo Jr is a convenient, ridiculous asspull. He suddenly exists. He is suddenly a loyal royalist. He is suddenly able to plunge his ship into invisibility or whatever so Slaine loses them. And so on... it diminishes Asseylum's character actually, she couldn't save herself, she had to be saved by a random character who appeared out of nowhere for no reason other than to be a plot device.

[aeriolewinters]

Originally Posted by EternalSpringFlower

They don't need to end up with each other, but it shouldn't be an asspull like that. The whole storyline with Cruhteo Jr is a convenient, ridiculous asspull. He suddenly exists. He is suddenly a loyal royalist. He is suddenly able to plunge his ship into invisibility or whatever so Slaine loses them. And so on... it diminishes Asseylum's character actually, she couldn't save herself, she had to be saved by a random character who appeared out of nowhere for no reason other than to be a plot device.

I agree with you. Mazuurek should've been the one to don this role.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

For all the evil he committed, he still decided to commit some noble acts in the end, even if they wouldn't redeem him. After being stubbornly against Asseylum multiple times, with good reason, he admitted his defeat and showed humility. I expected him to continue the war to the bitter end, taking everyone on the moon base, including Lemrina, down with him. That's noble, considering all the other characters in this story. In how many stories does the bad guy go, "Fuck it, I can't win. I might as well evacuate my minions to safety at this point?" No other character in this show made such a change of heart.

Which doesn't make him a hero,just someone who wanted the best for his subordinates ,when his annihilate/assimilate plan failed

[EternalSpringFlower]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

I agree with you. Mazuurek should've been the one to don this role.

I think Asseylum should have been the one to save herself. Not to be a helpless princess whose only available power move is a marriage.

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Which doesn't make him a hero,just someone who wanted the best for his subordinates ,when his annihilate/assimilate plan failed

It hasn't failed completely by that moment, that's what Lemrina hinted at. As long as he had activation rights (her), he could try to change the outcome. Maybe plan to kill Asseylum and pretend the Terrans did it.

But for some reason Slaine chose that moment to open his eyes and get all remorseful. I guess that's the sacred power of public NTR.

[casiopao]

The Ending makes me sad. All that potential. Ruined into this Magneto kind of ending? Also Seylum again looks more like the Empress of Earth more here than the Empress of Vers. We never see anything on Vers.... at all.

What happen to Harklight and Barouhcruz? Die off screen really??? All UFE army become stronger thx to Inaho data? Like, why don't that data being used from the first?

To many plot hole here.T_T Not to mention Slaine Requiem happen.T_T

[azurestratos]

Originally Posted by karice67

The news reporters specifically discuss this issue:

We’re told that Empress Asseylum herself will participate in the activation ceremony, but research into making Aldnoah activation privileges universal so that anyone can do it is still ongoing. When that happens, industries using Aldnoah will develop and will greatly help with Earth's reconstruction. And as the nation that produces Aldnoah, it should also prove to be an effective means for the Vers Empire to earn foreign capital.

^ peace is in the works.

Originally Posted by playmaker2k

This is one of the few anime endings that left me with more questions than answers. I can write off 20 of them for Aoki to answer and it still wouldn't be enough.

Example:

What happen to Dr. Troyard? What was his overall plan and why didn't Slaine take up his father's work? Why is Rayet's character development non-existent for someone who probably wants to redeem herself for her father's sins? Why was Marito's PTSD swept under the rug too conveniently? Why hasn't Asseylum seen her peoples' living conditions back at VERS? Why does she seem more like the Princess of Earth than anything else? Why haven't we seen anything from VERS other than racist Counts?

Dr. Troyard died, at which point Slaine guardianship was transferred to Cruhteo.
Dr. Troyard was working with Vers on Aldnoah tech. Slaine was still young when his father died. And in Season 1 he was just 15. He haven't got his doctorate in xeno-tech.
Rayet doesn't want to redeem herself for her father's sins, she just have identity crisis where she sees herself as a Martian who are part of genocidal backstabbing race. This was addressed in Maazurek arc, and her issue is now resolved.
Marito got over his PTSD, sure there are debris but it does no longer affect his day to day life. Plus he and Magbaredge had made positive relationship.
Asseylum is busy making diplomatic ties and sending back Earth resources back to Mars by peaceful trade. The princess governs the lords, and the lords govern the people. Feudal administration. Plus she got Klancain for the small matters.
From Vers we have seen many racist Counts because that's the common culture, just as Whites look down upon Blacks once upon a time. We have seen exception to this, such as Maazurek (Lord), Harklight (citizen), Lemrina (royalty), and Klancain (loyalists). In similar fashion, go to Palestine and 90% will hate Israel, or go North Korea and 90% will hate US. That's their common culture/norm.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

This news report is part of the official story. The same official story that is blatantly lying about Slaine being dead, and about who was truly behind the Asseylum false flag operation of Episode 1.

So, given those two big lies, why should I put much trust in other parts of this official story?

Because they have "reason" to give those two big lies.
Whereas there's no reason to lie about sharing Aldnoah technology and Earth trading capital/resources to Mars.

Plus without the lie, Terran fanatics might try to capture and torture Slaine, and the already shaky Martian politics will crumble if word got out Saazbaum (high ranking Lord) was a traitor. Martian civil war is not what they need.

Yes, I feel bad for Slaine being scapegoat. At least he get to serve to rebuild the peace.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by EternalSpringFlower

I think Asseylum should have been the one to save herself. Not to be a helpless princess whose only available power move is a marriage.

Agree, really undermines her character, and what makes it worse is that she was already a bad character.

[EternalSpringFlower]

So the series makes it a point to tell us that the feudal system is inherently bad, so bad even a villainous figure feels the need to change the society, but once the good princess becomes the ruler, all is right with the world and the feudal system is suddenly perfectly acceptable.

Also, them not bothering to explain what Aldnoah actually is just... it's the crucial centerstone of the whole story, how can you just ignore it like that?
Unless there is indeed one more season coming.

[lubczyk]

Originally Posted by casiopao

The Ending makes me sad. All that potential. Ruined into this Magneto kind of ending? Also Seylum again looks more like the Empress of Earth more here than the Empress of Vers. We never see anything on Vers.... at all.

What happen to Harklight and Barouhcruz? Die off screen really??? All UFE army become stronger thx to Inaho data? Like, why don't that data being used from the first?

To many plot hole here.T_T Not to mention Slaine Requiem happen.T_T

That's my biggest disappointment with this series. I wanted to see Vers/Mars so bad.