2020 US Presidential Election Discussion (primary & general)

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Georgia apparently has 60k more absentee ballots and Trump is only ahead by 18k. Biden might pull off the upset in Georgia.

Yeah, it's looking like a coin flip in Georgia.

Pennsylvania though:

Spoiler for graph:

Had them both pegged for Trump, but guess I'm wrong again.

[coded321]

Originally Posted by Magin

Consider this, and a HUGE failing on the Dem's part. In Florida, the Latino population overwhelmingly went for Trump. Why? because they came from ACTUAL communist/socialist countries (yes, I'm aware there's a difference, but for my purposes, people are equating them as the same). Dems did all of Jack Shit to distance themselves from these labales, and very few people are going to do research on what the terms actually mean, outside of listening to Fox News (which is a huge problem itself) saying those are Bad, Evil things. As much as I support Sanders, he did himself no favors by keeping the Social part of his political label. So failing to distance from a label that's just too ingrained with fear... again, Dems are SHIT at marketing, despite how horrendous the Repubs are.

Wasn't joe biden supposed to be the most safe candidate because he wasn't a "socialist"? With Bernie's defeat, I honestly thought the democrat party made to clear they were not a "socialist" party. Seriously, joe biden, a moderate democrat i.e diet republican, is somehow a socialist. For months it looked like trump's attacks on biden being a "radical leftist" were falling flat because biden is cleary not a radical leftist. This just shows 2 things. One, far too many people are out of touch with politics. And two, the democrats screwed up massively by taking the latino vote for granted.

[Key Board]

https://i.imgur.com/IMEffML.jpg

The Latino voter think isn't as straightfoward as it seems.

But personally I think that being a cultural refugee from Cuba makes you extra vehement against anything perceived as "socialism"
Apparently, Obama's iconic "hope" picture reminded them too much about the regime, and Biden being Obama's VP was associated with that.

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[Johnny Dy]

Isn't this over yet? Just make Biden president and get it over with.

[Ithekro]

The counts in the last few states is dangerously close. Something like 12,000 in Nevada. 100,000 in Pennsylvania. 13,000 in Georgia.

Even Wisconsin is only 20,000 difference. and Arizona is just 69,000.

Alaska's taking its time for reasons of isolated voting areas. But it probably won't make the difference. Its the others that need to secure the votes to be sure.

If Nevada goes Red, and nothing else goes blue...or if one of the blue states gets reversed...well, this is the knife edge.

[Johnny Dy]

I think it's an overinflated race, for me, it's over.
Trump is like a fish out of water that gulps it's last breaths with agony.
Of course, if America would be democratic and the majority would decide, this was over from day 1.

But for the sake of madness, let's just imagine Trump would win. How much behind is he in majority's vote? America would deserve to burn for such a transgression against democracy. But it won't. As Biden will win. Close though, as never should have been.

Lesson for the future. I would never risk my country to be as close to burn again. Would you?

[Ithekro]

Been on the Electoral College since 1788. I don't see the politicians abandoning it as it given them power.

[The Green One]

Originally Posted by Johnny Dy

Isn't this over yet? Just make Biden president and get it over with.

I know it's easy to be impatient but now more than ever it's absolutely critical that everything be done correctly and above all unarguably above board. If this goes against Trump you know he's going to be carefully looking at everything for absolutely anything to latch onto and cry foul and try legal battles to overturn it. Trump can't afford, literally even, to lose the Presidency and will try anything he thinks he can get away with to keep it.

The best thing Biden can do is be patient and and keep everything squeaky clean so when Trump's legal challenges inevitably come and he tries to deny that he lost that he'll have nothing to stand on legally.

[Johnny Dy]

Originally Posted by The Green One

If this goes against Trump you know he's going to be carefully looking at everything for absolutely anything to latch onto and cry foul and try legal battles to overturn it.

Trump is the fucking thief here, if anyone. It's a clear case of thief screaming thief!
If by some joke of idiocy he will cancel votes out, God damn Hell will break loose. And it would be a deserved Hell. I exaggerated in my post earlier but if the army will not intervene, for the people, not for the politicians, and very fast at that, it's not impossible that the country might burn.

If I'd be justice, I'd thread very carefully here. Trying not to judge against Biden AND THE FUCKING OWNING MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY. Otherwise... you risk beyond risking. You risk to fuck much more than yourself.

I've written here plenty a time in the last several days my disgust for republican "ideals" which are not ideals at all, just pigs shit, and I am not even american. I would think the ones that hate republicans agenda and Trump which is the most disgusting part of that shit, the summit of shit will not be able to take it, and will just snap! I certainly hope we won't get there. I don't even want to think about it. I consider Biden winner, the alternative is simply not allowed.

PS: Hope I am wrong. But better not risk finding out.

[The Green One]

Just dial back the crazy koolaid m'kay?

[Johnny Dy]

Biden will win, so we won't get the chance to see if it's crazy or not. For goodness sake.


Lemme ask you something. Even if it's just 1% chance if Trump wins that many people will die in riots that will consume many parts of the country. Would you want to risk that 1% happening?


That's the grim view. Let's set that aside.


There's a fair chance, certainly over 30% that some riots will ensue if that shit wins and many people will get hurt. I have no doubt. And I don't want that either, even if it won't affect the structural well being of the country. But every person counts, I don't want innocent people to suffer for a miserable system's mistake. And other complimentary mistakes, that in this moment are not yet made. Is that crazy koolaid?


LE: As I see you're delaying in answering, I'm gonna answer for you, you just tell me if it's correct.
The Green One: "No it's not, because you dialed it down to reality."
Me: "Thank you. ^^' "
If I've gotten the dialogue wrong, please make the required augments to it.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Oh, yeah. Highest turnout since 1900, and a higher turnout is always supposed to favor Dems. Yet, the blue wave didn't come. What am I supposed to think about that, other than that Democratic party is just the shittiest it's ever been? And will there even be a corpse left of the Republican party when the Trump momentum dies out?

To be positive, I'd say this could be the time for minor parties to finally get off the ground.

Biden got the most votes of any Presidential nominee in history, and yet might still lose.

That isn't a fault of the DNC, that's a fault of gerrymandering and Fox News brainwashing.

Originally Posted by Johnny Dy

*snip*

People don't stalk threads after posting, and this isn't like reddit where you'll get a notification. Don't be that ultra cringe guy who can't even wait an hour for a response before "talking for that person".

Like, beyond any crazy you've posted thus far, that tanked any credibility for what you're trying to convey.

[cyberdemon]

Well Biden closed the gap to 97k at 92%. Think it was 250k at 85%. It’s looking good. They even think a winner could be declared tonight in the state cementing it for Biden.

Looks like Purdue fell below 50%. Looks like it will heading to a special election for both ga senate seats. The presidential race got below a 10k difference as well.

[Johnny Dy]

Originally Posted by GDB

Like, beyond any crazy you've posted thus far, that tanked any credibility for what you're trying to convey.

I prefer not to talk politics, because it's a crazy subject. Dunno why I made here an exception, might have been a mistake. I haven't said "snip" though.

You're making a confusion. Credibility is directly proportional with the facts someone has given. I haven't given facts, just my opinion. Facts are boring, I prefer opinions with different proportions of reality in them, they're much more fun to discuss.

Originally Posted by GDB

People don't stalk threads after posting, and this isn't like reddit where you'll get a notification. Don't be that ultra cringe guy who can't even wait an hour for a response before "talking for that person".

A notification for what? That's crazy. I've been under the impression the guy is still here, he read and didn't want to respond. What I write is my business, if he doesn't want to respond, I can imagine a response, there's no rule in the world that can stop me from it, nor should it be.


"Stalking the thread", that's a good one. I wonder how the thread feels about it. Maybe it should get a restraining order against me.


OT: Biden's win is a problem of time as it sits right now. Goody.
I never thought he could turn Pennsylvania around, but it seems like he just might do it!

[OH&S]

To cover my bases. About 30ish hours ago I provided a link about USPS not delivering all mail in ballots. This has been debunked. I apologize for pedaling bullshit.

[Johnny Dy]

Trump whines about theft live right now, it's weird to see his new demeanor. I have never seen him but arrogant, it's a new and delightful image now that his ass is being kicked into next tomorrow by the democratic mail-in votes.

I want to be the 1st to say to him "You're fired"!

[cyberdemon]

Pa is 60k difference and ga is 4K difference

[The Green One]

States he's winning he whines to stop counting votes.

States he's losing he demands to continue counting.

[Johnny Dy]

If you like Trump (can't say love bcz I can't see how one can), this is a sad night for you.

[Eisdrache]

I'd like to say that this Trump press conference was surprising but I really can't.