2010-06-28, 09:37
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Of course this assumes the killer intends to kill everybody. But the only way to explain away the different patterns is different motives, which implies different killers.
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2010-06-28, 09:44
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2010-06-28, 10:02
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Join Date: Apr 2010
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Assuming that the murders are connected with the epitaph at all creates a motive to kill everyone, which, while initially it sounds plausible, is inherently dubious. But the plot continues with removing the central 19th-person culprit who would have such a motive, the opportunity for anyone to perform all the murders, the precision in following the epitaph... That actually leaves any global motive undefined, well, what if there isn't any? If your goal is an opportunistic single murder only, killing the other FFT victims makes a lot of sense, because otherwise you can be discovered by your motive - you basically hide your single real victim among four or five other corpses that you know can all be pinned on the FFT organiser. This is where a rational murderer with such a motive should actually stop and pretend they're innocent! Subsequent murders can then be the result of removing witnesses who turn up, internal conflicts and accusations in the FFT group, paranoia... Quote:
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2010-06-28, 10:02
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I doubt the killer in the fourth game is following any epitaph though. Really, the only thing that even vaguely suggests it is the 6 people shot in the dining room, and even then there are actually 7 corpses found there. Also, the two who are close... who are they? George and Jessica? Kumasawa and Gohda? None of them seem to work very well. Not to mention the stakes which just seem to have been carelessly stuck into heads...
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2010-06-28, 10:35
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Join Date: Apr 2010
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Let us assume that "those who remain" must "tear apart those who are close", so that a permutation is needed and only permutations in which D and R are apart with at least one of the remaining letters between them are valid. Well, I just made a list of all of them and here's the only one that makes any sense. In fact, it's the only sequence beside "Lord U" that seems to make any sense. RUDOL => Rudolf. What does his name sound when written out as romaji, again?
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2010-06-28, 10:55
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"Oh oops, I misinterpreted the epitaph. I thought it said to kill Rudolf first."
"No wonder he thought he was going to die. Well, it's a good thing you didn't kill him then." "..." "...You killed Rudolf, didn't you." "I was just trying to be proactive!"
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2010-06-28, 11:02
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Join Date: Apr 2010
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Well, that would make sense, wouldn't it? Rudolf got to the 'tear apart' step, then decided he's definitely not going further because of noticing his name in it and getting Seriously Worried. Now Beatrice Letter demands the epitaph be solved... Of course he would expect to die now... 
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2010-06-28, 13:21
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Join Date: Apr 2010
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 Seriously, I really couldn't find any other readable permutation. Though one other possibility remains... that "to lift up" means something other than just remove, and the lifted letters are to be used in between D and R. Though that probably isn't it. A word that starts with UD is rare enough, but one that also ends with RLO, I don't think there's any in English or Japanese.
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2010-06-28, 13:25
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Well on the second twilight, you only have two kill one person to split/tear him/her from a close person.
For finding the gold, yea it is likely some weird mechanism where you have to take two things apart. I don't know how hard you are grading the killer on his/her job but the killings seem to be of opportunity and not just for the epitaph. The fact that it all fits is sheer luck. Like, let's say Kanon and Jessica for episode 2. The letter to provoke one of the children, it could have been Battler or George also due to the letter's ambiguity, was found by Jessica. So, she was left behind with Kanon. If George was there, then he would have been split from Shanon? Who may or may not have been there with him. What about Battler? He's got no one, except his parents really. What if you say parents are close? Then we could say it is easier to nail the second twilight. |
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2010-06-28, 13:31
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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Ok, so those possibilities are highly unlikely. So IF Rudol is the only reasonable permutation left, what could it mean? The only thing I could think of is that Rudolph was somehow made the trustee for that inheritance situation you described before Oliver prior to the game starting and therefore what the epitaph does is determine a heir and reveals who the heir should go to for the inheritance. Also would explain why he tends to die first IF he chooses to reveal that he is the trustee during the FT but refuses to bestow the inheritance.
Course this is all a huge stretch and I'm not sure where Beato would fit in. Possibly someone else who has already solved the riddle but refuses to claim the gold? Also not too sure if you determine a location on the island purely on clues from everything prior to Rudol. |
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2010-06-28, 13:33
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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quadrillion-liquid=__a_r_l__on oarln oalrn oraln olarn orlan olran there doesn't seem to be anything relevant, with maybe the exception of "orlan" which is close to "orland" but not close enough. let's see if i can find all the possible combinations of anything that could lead to only "two close". there's something that helps with this. Either the two who are close are the two "l", or at least three among the "illi" characters must be eliminated. Else there wouldn't be a compulsory couple of two close letters. It could be "_li_" but also "_l_i" or "i_l_". At any rate if the riddle is well made, such an occurrence shouldn't be possible. There is however the special case where both "ll" are eliminated and the "i" are not, however in this case we'd have already 4 automatic exclusions. case one: "ll" are the two who are close (both "i" must be eliminated) q_a_r_ll___ --- udiion _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll_o_ --- qadiin q_a___ll_o_ --- udriin q__d__ll_o_ --- uariin q___r_ll_o_ --- uadiin __a_r_ll_o_ --- qudiin _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll__n --- qadiio q_a___ll__n --- udriio q__d__ll__n --- uariio q___r_ll__n --- uadiio __a_r_ll__n --- qudiio case two: both "i" are are kept ("r", "o" and the two "l" are eliminated) qu___i__i_n --- adrllo qu_d_i__i__ --- arllon _ua__i__i_n --- qdrllo __ad_i__i_n --- qurllo q_ad_i__i__ --- urllon case three: both "i" are are kept and "ri" are the two who are close ("d", "o" and the two "l" are eliminated) q___ri__i_n --- uadllo _u__ri__i_n --- qadllo __a_ri__i_n --- qudllo q_a_ri__i__ --- udllon case four: both "i" are are kept and "io" are the two who are close ("r", "n" and the two "l" are eliminated) q__d_i__io_ --- uarlln that's it.... case five: both "i" and one "l" are eliminated q___r_l__on --- uadili _u__r_l__on --- qadili __a_r_l__on --- qudili <- kogane theory qu__r_l__o_ --- adilin qu_d__l__o_ --- arilin _ua_r_l__o_ --- qdilin q_ad__l__o_ --- urilin q__dr_l__o_ --- uailin _u_dr_l__o_ --- qailin <- qilian theory qu__r_l___n --- adilio qu_d__l___n --- arilio _ua_r_l___n --- qdilio q_ad__l___n --- urilio q__dr_l___n --- uailio _u_dr_l___n --- qailio case six: both "l" and one "i" are eliminated "r" and "o" must be eliminated as well because else you wouldn't have a compulsory couple or you might have two of them. qu_d_i____n --- arllin q_ad_i____n --- urllin case seven: both "i" and "l" are eliminated q_a_r____on --- udilli that's it... I think this should cover them all if "quadrillion" is the starting sentence. tell me if you think I missed something. EDIT: The 41 possible combinations ordered by "couple" qu___i__i_n --- adrllo qu_d_i__i__ --- arllon qu__r_l__o_ --- adilin qu_d__l__o_ --- arilin qu__r_l___n --- adilio qu_d__l___n --- arilio qu_d_i____n --- arllin _ua__i__i_n --- qdrllo _ua_r_l__o_ --- qdilin _ua_r_l___n --- qdilio __ad_i__i_n --- qurllo q_ad_i__i__ --- urllon q_ad__l__o_ --- urilin q_ad__l___n --- urilio q_ad_i____n --- urllin q__dr_l__o_ --- uailin _u_dr_l__o_ --- qailin q__dr_l___n --- uailio _u_dr_l___n --- qailio q___ri__i_n --- uadllo _u__ri__i_n --- qadllo __a_ri__i_n --- qudllo q_a_ri__i__ --- udllon q_a_r_ll___ --- udiion _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll_o_ --- qadiin q_a___ll_o_ --- udriin q__d__ll_o_ --- uariin q___r_ll_o_ --- uadiin __a_r_ll_o_ --- qudiin _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll__n --- qadiio q_a___ll__n --- udriio q__d__ll__n --- uariio q___r_ll__n --- uadiio __a_r_ll__n --- qudiio q__d_i__io_ --- uarlln q___r_l__on --- uadili _u__r_l__on --- qadili __a_r_l__on --- qudili q_a_r____on --- udilli
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2010-06-28, 13:37
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That does not, however preclude Rudolf from being in one way or another special in relation to the epitaph, considering Battler, his sin, the Other Battler and the entire mess. ...and darn, I forgot what I was going to say but I had a different idea.
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2010-06-28, 13:41
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After episode 6, the curious part of me wonders if Battler could at all be in on people faking their deaths. Could explain why he is never really 'chosen' as a sacrifice. Also, he is in position to lay quite a few of the letters that were found. Of course, this is crazy talk since Battler has control of his own piece and would know this. Not going through with it would be an easy was to stop the murders, in my opinion.
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2010-06-28, 13:49
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loanr, loran, lorna, rolan... That's about it. There's 408 of them, so I won't post the whole list.
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2010-06-28, 13:53
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*sputter* I just made the next step in that chain of thought that Rudolf would be Beatrice.
Beatrice: "BATTLER, I AM YOUR FATHER. SEARCH YOUR HEART, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE! *ahahaha.wav*" Battler: "Say it in red!" Beatrice: "Sure. Battler, I am your father." Battler: "NOOOOOOOoooooooooo!"
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