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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 20 | 43.48% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 36.96% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 4 | 8.70% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 6.52% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.17% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 2.17% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-02-05, 13:03 | Link #64 | |
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And, Yoshida, on a roll. But she sees all those monsters at the rooftop and she decides to run away. I wonder if Yuji knows that Xanadu will have a catastrophic consequences the world in the far future. Though, even if he does, as long as he can free Shana of her role I get the feeling that he won't care. By the way, was there a reason why Misaki City/Japan had to be chosen for the war?
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2012-02-05, 14:57 | Link #66 | |
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Even your other posts, just seems that you're just not understanding what others are saying... well that's ok, but you should read and think about what you just read for a moment before commenting. The series isn't as black and white as you may think it is. There is no Good or Evil, right or wrong. The sides were intentionally made Grey to give the story more depth. If you're quick to say one side is evil and the other is good than you're not understanding the story.
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2012-02-05, 15:07 | Link #67 | |
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2012-02-05, 15:16 | Link #68 | |
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2012-02-05, 15:19 | Link #69 | |
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I don't blame the tomogaras, they have ambition, like we humans do. Both are correct, and in the same time they may be wrong. I think both Flame Hazes and Yuji have good points of view and the story is very well developed, but since this last season is so different from, at least, the second one, many fans are complaining about these recent events and turn of story - I don't!! For me this season actually shows how deep SnS really is. EDIT:Isekaijin, it's ok to have doubts! I am expecting the end of the series to be explosive and to answer many questions that are to be explained. As for the Flame Haze side, Shana and co have a point: Xanadu may not be dangerous now, but in a far future the distortion may increase and make a disaster.
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2012-02-05, 17:03 | Link #70 | |
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2012-02-05, 17:40 | Link #71 |
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Okay, I'm getting a little bit confused by this episode now, so let me lay it out and see if I got this straight
The Issue >Creation of a Xanadu, a parallel world that's an exact copy right up to the humans. >Tomogaras migrating to Xanadu (Which I assume has no flame haze?) >Flame Hazes and Humans left in original world Flame Haze/Shana Perspective >Tomogaras will repeat their actions in new world >POE in Xanadu will be unbalanced in the future >Rift storm created that will affect all 3 worlds >BAD END Okay, from the flame haze perspective, what the Tomogaras will do isn't just only morally wrong (pushing all troubles to innocent Xanadu) but also has a chance to affect their own world is the distant future. From their perspective, it quite seems like they're the one in the right. SNH/Yuji Perspective >Tomogara, instead of repeating devouring actions, actively coexist with humans >No more supernatural fighting, POE stable in orginal world with Flame Haze, New world with Tomogaras >Balance to all worlds >Good End? Sounds cools, but can't this happen in the original world? Or is it too distorted to happen? Or is it because of the hatred between Flame Hazes and Tomogaras that cannot be erased? From SNH/Yuji's perspective, it seems optimistic and almost slightly foolish, if Tomogaras still need POE to exist. Won't they still have to feed in the new world? Still, if it can actually happen, might be best end? Anyway am I getting this right? Or is there something I'm missing? |
2012-02-05, 17:41 | Link #72 | ||
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What about Friagne and the Aizen siblings? I do not see any greater good in their action in devouring humans to exist in this world, other than their selfish reasons. Besides that, they are not affiliated with Bal Masque. There is why I agree with part of Isekaijin's argument. As most of you have said, we should describe Bal Masque as the grey side. However, in my opinion, Friagne and the Aizen siblings should be classified as the evil side. This is just my opinion, though. Please correct me if I have said anything wrong.
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2012-02-05, 19:40 | Link #73 | ||
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Snakey going Kyuubey for the entire human race is not gonna help him with the resources needed for Xanadu.
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2012-02-05, 19:58 | Link #74 | |
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2012-02-05, 20:26 | Link #75 | ||
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And the Corpse Retriever uses torches that are about to burn out which would not affect the balance. Those two are special exceptions and cannot be replicated by others. Though I'm curious about the trio that Pheles was looking for. Quote:
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2012-02-05, 21:03 | Link #76 |
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This is the best interpretation i could think of.
A group of criminals figured out a special way of getting out of jail. When they succeeded and escaped, said tecnique was used around the world in many prisons. These escaped criminals slaughtered any who would make them go back to jail, and fought for they're freedom. Now a powerful figure has stepped up and taken command as the head of the organization behind the uprisings. He intends to seize a city and turn it into a city of crime where all criminals can live happily ever after. But he fails and gets thrown into a highly secured assylum. In the meantime these criminals fight to survive killing any who would make them go back to jail. A few years later with the help of his organization the powerful figure escapes from the asylum, and declares that instead of seizing a city he intends to create his own. But the creation of said city would lead to a increase in crime around the world, and isn't supported by any government. Retalliations are made, but the government refuses to swiftly clear the ongoing threat due to the amount of controversy it'll bring about............the rest will just bring spoilers// I get that the tomogara aren't criminals but they have no right to be in this world to begin with, so they don't deserve your sympathy. |
2012-02-05, 21:48 | Link #77 | |
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For the analogy to work, the creation of this Crime City would, at least in the short-to-medium term, lead to a decrease in crime around the world. But there's the question of what might happen if, some decades in the future, this new Crime City would implode upon itself, bringing problems for the rest of the world. In the short to medium-term, Crime City would almost certainly make things better for the rest of the world. But in the long-term, it may well worsen matters. Yuji's willing to take that risk, while Shana isn't. That's basically what it comes down to, and it's thankfully reflective of how Yuji has always been the more optimistic of the two (thus managing to make the conflict between the two not destroy either of their established characterizations). I can see where both are coming from here. That being said, almost all tomogara are criminals. They essentially kill/murder innocent people. If anything, you could argue that what they do is even worse than that. I'm honestly a bit disappointed at how casually that's being excused on this thread, it seems. This much, at least, is clear-cut evil, in my view. What most tomogara do is incredibly destructive and harmful to others. If they could be charged in a normal court of law, almost all of them would be serving life sentences for serial killing, or even facing capital punishment in some countries. Honestly, I could understand the Flame Haze not wanting these criminals getting to go to a paradise after the crimes they've committed. At a deeper unstated level, this might be a motivation for some of them. Yuji (as in the mystes off of a consumed human; as in not Snake of the Festival) isn't doing this for the tomogara. He's doing this first and foremost for Shana, to free her from a life of endless conflict and almost certain death in combat at some point. A likely secondary motive is the short to mid-term benefit of humanity as a whole. Yuji's chief goals are just conveniently compatible with Snake of the Festival's goals; I doubt Yuji cares much for the tomogara or the Flame Hazes in general. Bal Masque is merely his tool, not his new best buds, as funny as the idea might be. Anyway, this was a pretty good episode. I very much liked the 2nd half, and the first half was decent. Good to see the main human characters in this maintain some relevance right to the end. 9/10.
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2012-02-05, 22:56 | Link #78 | |
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Though from what I get, Guze and Denizens does have PoE of their own(possibly where Flame Hazes draw most of their powers from, through their contractor Lord), but since they are alien to our world, they need a local source of PoE to continue existing here. Which comes to the question why do they want to live here in the first place, which seems to be because Guze exists differently than our world: everything there is formless PoE of everything mixed in. Denizens wants to live as we do: tangible forms and all. Though in the process, they got drunk with all the power and started taking a lot more than they need. That's what I've heard anyways (and pretty much the only explanation that makes sense). I don't know for sure.
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2012-02-05, 23:12 | Link #79 | ||
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If they manifest on Earth they need PoE to sustain themselves. This is why they eat humans to begin with. If Alastor or any crimson lord decides to manifest themselves on Earth from a Flame Haze they need PoE to do so. Quote:
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2012-02-05, 23:44 | Link #80 | |
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I think Shana is priority 2 on Yuji's list. Protecting the city he lives in and moving every tomogara out of his world comes first, or so I assume. I'm not denying the feelings they hold for each other, but doing this solely for the purpose of protecting her doesn't seem right at all. From the type of character he has I could already tell that if he had the strength, he would eliminate all tomogara without the slightest hint of hesitation. And even if they all did move into Xanadu, it'll be like hosting hundreds of thousands of websites on the same server. Regardless there'll still be greedy tomogara that want more poe than the bare minimum to survive. |
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