Total Eclipse - Character Discussion - Yui Takamura

[encia]

Originally Posted by Enternal

Yuuya himself said that she could have taken him out any time but she did not. Taris who is an expert at close quarter combat won against Yuuya. You could say that she had a superior machine. If that's the case, let us say that Yuuya's skill in CQC is probably equal to Tarisa. Yui took out Tarisa and the others effortlessly yet fought against Yuuya for a while.

After ep5's 21:06, Yui changed the tempo after Yuuya mastered some moves.

In EP5
Hime Yui: Your talent and potential makes you an unmatched Eishi.

[NoemiChan]

Yuuya: "Yui Takamura, why are you cruel to me?"

She really made me smile today...

[Angrypokstick]

Originally Posted by encia

After ep5's 21:06, Yuri changed the tempo after Yuuya mastered some moves.

In EP5
Hime Yuri: Your talent and potential makes you an unmatched Eishi.

yes, one day yuuya will surpass Yui, there is no doubt in my mind.
but considering...

Spoiler for LN:

that day still haven't arrived yet even in the LN. And we are still gong to see yuuya learn and improve from getting beaten or close to being beaten by all sorts of other foreign and US pilots not yet introduced yet.

there is still much for him to learn.

[encia]

Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

what i meant was that she choose not to continue the fight, thus conceeding to his victory, since he passed. Due to certain "weapons" on the Takemikazuchi, even without her sword she could still win with ease.

Those certain "little weapons" may not be enough and depends if "Top Gun" does another on-the-field adaptation.

[Destined_Fate]

You seem to be giving Yuuya too much credit. Had Yui wanted she could have defeated him even without her swords. Yuuya even knows that Yui could have won the fight at any time even after she was disarmed. However Yui didn't go out there to beat Yuuya into a pulp, she came to teach him a lesson which worked.

[encia]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

You seem to be giving Yuuya too much credit. Had Yui wanted she could have defeated him even without her swords. Yuuya even knows that Yui could have won the fight at any time

That's before EP5:20:15's self realization.
On EP5:20:17, we have a surprised Yui reaction.
On EP5:21:03, the tempo was change.
On EP5:21:07, Yui's finishing action phase.

Yuuya's "Top Gun" nickname is not applied for nothing.

Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

yes, one day yuuya will surpass Yui, there is no doubt in my mind.
but considering...

Spoiler for LN:

that day still haven't arrived yet even in the LN. And we are still gong to see yuuya learn and improve from getting beaten or close to being beaten by all sorts of other foreign and US pilots not yet introduced yet.

there is still much for him to learn.

Spoiler for LN rhetorical question:

Why "foreign and US pilots" not from Yui?

[Destined_Fate]

That doesn't change that even after that Yui could have still easily won. Again she wasn't there to humiliate Yuuya, she was there to teach him a lesson which she succeed at thus there was no reason to continue the fight.

[encia]

Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

yes, one day yuuya will surpass Yui, there is no doubt in my mind.
but considering...

Spoiler for LN:

that day still haven't arrived yet even in the LN. And we are still gong to see yuuya learn and improve from getting beaten or close to being beaten by all sorts of other foreign and US pilots not yet introduced yet.

If you have other top level pilots, the battles wouldn't be a walk in the park even for a "Top Gun".

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

That doesn't change that even after that Yui could have still easily won. Again she wasn't there to humiliate Yuuya,
.

Yui could humiliate Yuuya after EP5:21:07, if Yuuya didn't use his new skills. The other pilots such as VC was surprised with Yuuya's skill on getting a solid hit on Yui.

VC: You got a solid hit in on Lt. Takamura in a TSF you'd barely been able to fly before.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Didn't Yui use her personal TSF, one that she probably knows every inch of it ?

[encia]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Didn't Yui use her personal TSF, one that she probably knows every inch of it ?

Spoiler for manga:

Yui seems to be following her father's foot steps in designing TSFs (i.e. a yellow shirt in Star Trek TNG) instead of being a one-trick-pony warrior.

[Destined_Fate]

The only reason Yuuya got a solid hit is because Yui went easy on him. If it was a serious battle Yuuya would have been defeated just as easily as the others.

[encia]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

The only reason Yuuya got a solid hit is because Yui went easy on him. If it was a serious battle Yuuya would have been defeated just as easily as the others.

The tempo was different after EP5:20:17.

Against the other pilots, the moves was pretty basic i.e. one basic slash move for each US F-15 based TSFs (KO'ed the pilots). In a close range sword fight, one doesn't bring small knifes i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4

In general**, US TSFs wasn't designed for close range combat in mind (i.e. like their WWII aircraft counterparts) and assumes it's loaded with combat ammo instead of training ammo.

Spoiler for Muv-Luv Alternative:

Not including F-22A TSF. http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/F-22A_Raptor

[Destined_Fate]

Tempo or not Yuuya would not have beaten Yui at all if she decided to fight. SHe could easily have retrieved her weapons at any time.

[grevierr]

It might be good to note that US TSF doctrine seems to focus on the quick strike, Wham Blam Thank You Mam. Japanese doctrine is more of the bushido code, focusing on the individual strikes, up close and personal. Whats that move they use, when a swordsman slices an enemy in one strike before moving on to the next in a smooth flowing motion? Its been sometime since my Kendo days. So they focus more on out maneuvering the opponent up close rather than straight in and out.

[John117xCortana]

Problem is that while works well one on one it doesn't work very well when you got 10,000 of them in front of you.

[Destined_Fate]

Seems to work well for Yui considering how experienced she is now compared to when she was forced to launch.

[gbatemper]

If next episode is beach, Yui should go tsundere like the novel/manga

[Angrypokstick]

Originally Posted by encia

Spoiler for LN rhetorical question:

Why "foreign and US pilots" not from Yui?

Spoiler for Ln:

different countries have a different combat philosophy, different kind of front-line terrain and condition tend to nurture different style of combat. The muv-luv world is actually very diverse in its various national views towards TSF combat.
For someone with such untapped skills ,yuuya is actually very fortunate to have come to Alaska where Pilots from all over the world gathers and have the chance to take insights into so many styles of combat and learn from them all.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Tempo or not Yuuya would not have beaten Yui at all if she decided to fight. SHe could easily have retrieved her weapons at any time.

Yea, but the point still stands that she was bested. So she accepted the loss, cause she was fairly beaten. This wasn't a real fight, but more of a duel, and Yuuya did win with the surprise attack she was not expecting.

[Destined_Fate]

No she wasn't bested because she wasn't trying. Yuuya just showed her that he learns quickly and finally figured out what Yui was trying to teach him.


Furthermore the duel ended because Yui got what she wanted, it didn't end because he "Beat" her or that she couldn't fight anymore which is clearly not the case at all. Even Yuuya knows he didn't beat Yui at all and this was all part of her plan.