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Xellos-_^ · 2012-06-26, 19:30

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Originally Posted by mAc Chaos

I thought she just got pranked or something and that was it.

prank or not, it didn't prevent Arturia from committing incest with her sister

Malkuth · 2012-06-26, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

And? It's still canon. Nothing wrong with Saber being canonically bisexual.

More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?

Leo_Otaku · 2012-06-26, 23:38

Is there 26 episodes or 25 for Fate/Zero? I'm holding out for the last episode so I just wanted to know. Can't seem to find a definite answer...

mAc Chaos · 2012-06-26, 23:41

nah its over

Vicious108 · 2012-06-26, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?

Guinevere's story is in the Fate/Zero novel (would be nice if it made it into the anime's BDs, but who knows) and Mordred in the Character Material (Type-Moon books with extra information on the Nasuverse).

Touko · 2012-06-27, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?

Merlin actually gave her a penis and turned her temporarily into a dude.

Does that make her bi? You decide.

Malkuth · 2012-06-27, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Touko

Merlin actually gave her a penis and turned her temporarily into a dude.

Does that make her bi? You decide.

Really?! Saber was futanari? The plot thickens

Haak · 2012-06-27, 13:33

Please tell me that pun wasn't intended...

Xellos-_^ · 2012-06-27, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Haak

Please tell me that pun wasn't intended...

it is hard not.

Touko · 2012-06-27, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Really?! Saber was futanari? The plot thickens

You need baby gravy to make Homunculi.

Also, there is implied incest there, since Morgan in Nasu's version of the Arthurian Cycle is Sabre's sister. Morgan supposedly seduced futa Sabre and acquired his semen.

Yes, weird stuff is one of the major exports of Japan.

GDB · 2012-06-27, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Touko

You need baby gravy to make Homunculi.

Also, there is implied incest there, since Morgan in Nasu's version of the Arthurian Cycle is Sabre's sister. Morgan supposedly seduced futa Sabre and acquired his semen.

Yes, weird stuff is one of the major exports of Japan.

Except them being related by blood is from old British stories of Arthur. Half-siblings, but still blood. The futanari thing is obviously just playing on Merlin's prankster habits to make the story work.

Touko · 2012-06-27, 14:41

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Originally Posted by GDB

Except them being related by blood is from old British stories of Arthur. Half-siblings, but still blood. The futanari thing is obviously just playing on Merlin's prankster habits to make the story work.

No need to white-knight for Type Moon. Even they admitted they made this mess just to keep the "Sabre is a girl" thing afloat, and maintain some semblance to the original tale. It is something they are not particularly proud of.

GDB · 2012-06-27, 14:47

I'm not "white-knighting" them. I'm just calling you out on "lol, it's Japan so it's obviously weird". The source material said there was incest. Their plot said that wouldn't quite work. They had the Wizard available, who also happens to be a bit of a jokester in said sources, to do what was needed to fix this problem.

Also, the title/name is Saber, not Sabre, as per the class card.

Malkuth · 2012-06-27, 14:54

Actually there was some feminist chick that published a book "proving" that Arthur was not only real, but also a girl around the time the F/SN game got published

Touko · 2012-06-27, 15:07

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Originally Posted by GDB

I'm not "white-knighting" them. I'm just calling you out on "lol, it's Japan so it's obviously weird". The source material said there was incest. Their plot said that wouldn't quite work. They had the Wizard available, who also happens to be a bit of a jokester in said sources, to do what was needed to fix this problem.

Also, the title/name is Saber, not Sabre, as per the class card.

There are different versions. There are versions where she was a Faerie, and there are versions where she was blood-kin of Arthur.

They picked the specific one where incest was involved, made it purposeful instead of accidental, and further exploited it to make it more wtf. And that "making Sabre a futa" part just adds to the wtf.

It's lol Japan. Quit white-knighting. Even the production team and Type Moon felt it was wtf.

Shadow5YA · 2012-06-27, 16:34

Would Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception work on Servants?

Haak · 2012-06-27, 16:36

Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.

Touko · 2012-06-27, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Haak

Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.

No one knows for sure.

It could be what you said, or it could be that there are no lines at all, and Ryougi's crazy taijutsu/self-hypnosis are what keep her alive.

Shadow5YA · 2012-06-28, 07:33

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Originally Posted by Haak

Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.

What did Nasu say exactly regarding the subject?

Polar_Lord · 2012-06-28, 07:35

If Zero Berserker had been summoned as a sane Servant, would he still hate Saber enough to doggedly attack her at every chance?

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mAc Chaos King of Heroes Join Date: Feb 2009 Age: 38	nah its over

2012-06-27, 14:47	Link #3733
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I'm not "white-knighting" them. I'm just calling you out on "lol, it's Japan so it's obviously weird". The source material said there was incest. Their plot said that wouldn't quite work. They had the Wizard available, who also happens to be a bit of a jokester in said sources, to do what was needed to fix this problem. Also, the title/name is Saber, not Sabre, as per the class card.

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Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Actually there was some feminist chick that published a book "proving" that Arthur was not only real, but also a girl around the time the F/SN game got published

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