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View Poll Results: Lucky Star - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 200 | 81.30% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 28 | 11.38% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 5.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.22% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.41% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.41% | |
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2008-02-10, 16:47 | Link #241 |
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What Gave Kanata Her Second Pair Of Angel Wings??
A Thread about my Fave Lucky Star character!
I want to comment that you all have been invaluable in my enjoying the show because my first encounter with ep 22 was thru some terribly translated fansubs which you all have straightened out for me and made sense of some very tender scenes! Thank you - thank you! Well, allow me to jump in late with an issue dear to my character -- mainly Kanata's untimely demise! There're lots of theories here on this so I'll toss mine into the pot! I'm pretty sure it wasn't a violent accident because her passing isn't regarded with that tone of abrupt tragedy or grief it seems, but rather with the solemnness of expectancy. Accidental causes are usually mentioned to as death (at least more in the U.S.) more overtly than cause by disease or health reasons. Though I can't be sure of course, I highly suspect that there's some heredity flaw going on here (the health failings doesn't hit Konata outside needing medication when in cars at least). The clue's in cousin Yutaka's worrisome sickliness and slight but cute harelip and stinted stature, and in Sōjirō's flashback at the beach, at first he and Kanata are running for the sand with joy then in next scene they're leaving with him concernedly watching her wiping her brow as though in exhaustion, and she's always outside with that broad sunbonnet (sun stroke prone too?). Ditto by his face at her lethargy on their immediate train ride back. In the family portrait Konata appears as a babe of four or five months at least judging by her size and hair, and there are teasing hints that Konata may've even been a toddler at Kanata's passing (the flash scene of Sōjirō kneeling with a toddler Konata at a temple as if at a wake?), so even moreso it most likely wasn't any birth complication. That Yutaka changed residence to be closer to school might hint that Yui and Sōjirō are more concerned of a hereditary weakness than they're telling. So much for my take! Now some have not only theories on this, but even challenge the whole notion that Kanata's even really "gone" (wistful wishes me)! : http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4005755/1/ http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4034138/1/ But then, I'm sure Kyoto is well aware just how pop Kanata is in death and maybe they've sitting on their sleeves all kinds of ways to feature her in some speculative future features. I'd watch it just see how the heck Kanata ever hooked up with a guy like Sōjiro since I doubt they were truly childhood friends by the sense of the term (BOTH of you don't have to be children to be a childhood friend, right?) Dee Last edited by Dee Eon; 2008-02-10 at 19:19. |
2008-02-13, 18:46 | Link #242 | |
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The thing that got me a little was that Konata was way too different in your second story, like the growth hormones, Boyfriends, etc her language being less utakuish. It feI dont want konata's family to change even if Kanata eneded up surviving her fate. Do you have or know any other good fanfics out there? Im looking up on FanFiction.net and I found a few of them so far. Your fanfic's imagery was pretty good, keep up the good work. |
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As flipped-out and far-out as the cryogenics story seemed, it's in fact based on actual companies into post-death "suspended animation" services since the seventies. This fact made writing it feel even more eerie than Kanata's Out-of-Body/Time story (you know, "truth is stranger than fiction"). I'd like to think that Sōjirō's so unorthodox and deeply in love that he would've sought that last-ditch chance to save Kanata. That we don't truly know whether Kanata's in an urn or coffin makes this a "back door" for Kanata's return a fascinating option for "Lucky Star" I think! Quote:
I fell back on real-life (American) experiences with pediatric growth hormones and the sharp drop in stinted growth in school children which suggests to me that Kanata also would've done anything to keep Konata from sharing her condition. It's no fun being a "midget" and I can't imagine any parent who'd let a kid suffer that life if they can help it. Under Kanata's watch, Konata's bound to have a boyfriend by 17 (sorry Kagami!). I'm also certain that Kanata would've nipped Konata's otakus-ism in the bud at a very early age and groomed Konata into a young lady the equal of Miyuki. That doesn't mean Konata wouldn't a gamer, especially with Sōjirō under the same roof, but she'd been far far less an addict as seen in the anime or manga. Sorry Konata's brother was given such a fleeting part, but then I hadn't been writing in depth at the time. In fact there two other little ones I missed falling out of that final draft I guess. I'd certainly like to correct that, only I'm not Japanese enough to have that language style sense. Quote:
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2008-07-21, 02:00 | Link #245 |
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Hmmmm, looking back at this episode I really just can't say much about the whole Kanata moment that got everyone so worked up. It's sort of just there (no reason it had to come in this episode over any other episode) and then not and then ceases to have any real relevance to anything before or after the series, just like most of the scenes. I can't say I ever really felt anything either way because Kanata wasn't even really all that important before or after the scene other then she was supposed to have been Konata's mother. I'm not entirely sure what I was supposed to feel when she showed up as I literally knew nothing at all about the character. Sadness, melancholy, excitement. Like what? Unlike other folks I couldn't just go through the motions of feeling emotional (I know I was supposed to feel something) without some incentive.
There's a difference between intent and execution and with this scene I don't see how they really could have executed in a manner that made me care about Kanata's appearance either way. It kind of feels to me that Kyoani was realizing that the series was nearing it's end and that they needed to do something a little extra with it that would make fans remember something more then the Otaku-centric stuff that dominated the middle portion of the series and thus the scene was sort of shoehorned in in the hopes that the fans would just react in the way they think was expected. It looks like it worked. Anyway, I remember comparing it to Kodomo No Jikan, but I felt that the scene I compared it to had a lot more poignancy, Aki being a character we actually got to know her a little in a flashback. Would have helped tremendously if they had done something like that with Kanata at an earlier point in the series. |
2008-07-21, 16:27 | Link #246 |
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Well... the scene actually comes from the source material. The 4-koma Lucky*Star devoted part of a chapter presenting essentially the same material. And every instance of referring to Kona's mom is from the 4-koma series. Even most of the "dad-Kona" scenes in the series come from the 4-koma (though specific product line mentions were usually added item).
So.... if there's a weakness in the presentation, it was there in the original material. I suspect KyoAni figured this late in the series was a good place for the sequence of mom-haunting because people were attached enough to Kona-dad and Konata and they'd seen dad's flashback of his life with his wife. Myself, I was most fond of dad fondly recalling his time dating and being married to her - more than the later ghostly sequence itself.
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2008-07-22, 13:32 | Link #248 |
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I also found Soujirou's memories to be the most tearjerking things from the episode. Usually those left behind are the things that are saddest about a person's death. It was nice to see a little of Kanata. I kind of wish that we could have learned a little more of her personality, but I understand that time is short. Was her appearance as a ghost also a part of the 4koma, or did the anime add that in?
On the subject of Konata, I acutally kind of liked how her mother's death didn't really affect her. Much more commonly seen are characters who angst (publically or privately) about the deaths of their parents. It's true that we're unlikely to find someone who will be that emotionally detatched from such a thing, but most stories don't stop to consider that maybe a kid doesn't miss her mom because she never knew her. Maybe she doesn't always wish she had one because she's happy with how her dad raised her. It was a change of pace for me, and it kept Lucky Star from being too dramatic. Konata, like the viewer, was just there to listen. She was also there to be healthy and happy and make Kanata happy. I happen to like Konata's character very much, so I can be forgiving of her shallow character aspects. I didn't really come into this show looking for depth. :P One of my favorite parts was remembering Konata's birth, with her mother going "Well as long as she doesn't get my height or your personality..." |
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Yeah. Konata said it herself. Instead of being too busy grieving to take care of her, like a lot of anime widowers, Soujirou doted on her. The unfortunate side effect is that she became an irresponsible otaku, but at least she never felt neglected. I'm sure there must have been a few tough moments, but she didn't dwell on that. And what was she to say? "Yes, father, I cry myself to sleep every night because I don't have a mom. You're a horrible person for letting her die."?
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Soujirou's recollections were also directly from the 4-koma. This was almost pure Lucky*Star rather than any "Kyo-ani marketing" like a fair amount of the series suffered under. And of course, the "height, personality" gag is one of the funny bits. If I get cranky enough, maybe I should scan the specific strips....
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2008-07-22, 22:23 | Link #254 |
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Thanks for understanding
Earlier I checked to see whether it had been posted before and had to go through all the spoiler tags to make sure someone wouldn't get riled up. But (a) given that the subject of the pic is what this thread is all about, and (b) if I'd have put it in spoiler tags nobody would have seen it most likely, I hoped that presenting it for all to see would be appreciated here. And (c) I'm trying hard as hell to resist Imageshack because of the inconvenience of setting up yet ANOTHER account let alone dealing with their annoying popups would be more than I can tolerate Anyway, I hope that the picture was enjoyed; it really is sweet
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2008-07-23, 12:21 | Link #256 |
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I found this episode to be really lovely. The whole last scene with Kanata seeing what the family were up to was sweet and the way that Konata and her father were talking about her. I thought the atmosphere for Lucky Star really changed on that one scene, because it was so much more in depth and got more closer to Konata's family and their lives. It made me think "awwwwww ^-^" to myself. I found it a really lovely episode.
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2008-07-23, 14:28 | Link #258 | |
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That was my favourite. |
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