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orion · 2018-03-18, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Twi

Likely because that Hakuno has a completely different Servant than Nero, EMIYA, or Tamamo.

So then Hakuno is going to form a contract with Rin and become the 6th floor master?

Twi · 2018-03-18, 13:20

I was talking about the one in the flashback, but it'd be a twist. Nero wouldn't complain since she has a fine appreciation of both.

FlareKnight · 2018-03-18, 21:50

Spoiler for Ep8:

Dengar · 2018-03-19, 05:58

As far as I understand, thrown Gae Bolg has different properties and thus can miss.

I wonder what's up with giant who intervened. That was totally out of nowhere. Did anyone recognize it?

Julius is a dead face as well, which makes sense. As is Li Shuwen being a Berserker now. The question is, what is Hakuno. I mean they try to imply that Hakuno isn't Hakuno and that he is in fact no one. However, that doesn't really add up. He has been shown to have things other than hatred.

belatkuro · 2018-03-19, 08:20

The gauntlet and the headpiece silhouette was already a big hint. It's Lu Bu.

Kanon · 2018-03-19, 13:56

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry about them skipping the fourth floor so casually.

Saber said she thought Hakuno was Hakunon's reincarnation when she first saw him, and that will most likely end up being not too far from the truth. A dead face with Hakunon emerging on top. Just like Julius is a dead face with Julius in control. The proof is Julis immediately identifying him as Hakuno Kishinami, the one he hates so much for killing him. As for the prologue and the flashbacks we saw with Dan and Alice, they were probably the memories of other masters that are a part of him, but not of Hakuno Kishinami herself. Explains why nobody recognized him.

That giant Lu Bu sure was a surprise. Seriously, what the hell?

Only two episodes left and one special.

FlareKnight · 2018-03-19, 14:14

Yeah I had trouble being sure that was Lu Bu or not since it just seemed odd. Too giant even for Lu Bu. But maybe it was just the angle and how they portrayed it visually. I agree it's very likely Lu Bu though. Although that opens up some questions. But those will likely be settled next week.

Still plenty to get through. Have to settle things with Julius, then move on to the next opponents, and then can settle things with Twice at the very top of this ride.

Twi · 2018-03-19, 18:01

It's not a surprise Julius is the OG Dead Face. He was so stubborn to kill in the game that he literally came back as a mass of hatred and grudges. Likewise, I'm not surprised about Hakuno because the writing was on the wall, but the fact that he's grail mud wrapped in a human shell makes Kotomine seeing him off in the first episode a lot more poignant.

Dengar · 2018-03-20, 04:09

They skipped the fourth floor? When did that happen?

belatkuro · 2018-03-20, 04:43

When they were exercising at the start, Saber said that the 4th floor enemy wasn't worth mentioning compared to the monster of the 3rd floor. They're at the 5th floor now. There's no Floor Master in 5th floor so the Ladder is already lowered. The issue is getting there when Julius and Berserker are blocking their way.

Dengar · 2018-03-20, 05:19

Oh my dog you're right. For some reason it registers as her not finding the third floor very remarkable.

I don't think they would gloss over that floor without reason though. I feel like there's something relevant there. I might be wrong though.

orion · 2018-03-20, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Oh my dog you're right. For some reason it registers as her not finding the third floor very remarkable.

I don't think they would gloss over that floor without reason though. I feel like there's something relevant there. I might be wrong though.

Which floor was Amari on? 4th?

shadow1296 · 2018-03-20, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Oh my dog you're right. For some reason it registers as her not finding the third floor very remarkable.

I don't think they would gloss over that floor without reason though. I feel like there's something relevant there. I might be wrong though.

The fourth servant in the game changed depending on which route you went down in the game being they probably didn't want to have to choose between them and people asking is that the canon route so they just skipped it entirely

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Which floor was Amari on? 4th?

Amari

Spoiler for possible spoiler:

Dengar · 2018-03-20, 12:42

Wasn't Amari stuck on the third floor though?

shadow1296 · 2018-03-20, 15:17

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Wasn't Amari stuck on the third floor though?

She was never shown to die on that floor and this is a series that when a character dies they show the death,

This series also said that only masters can be floor masters, Rin is no longer a master she is a servant which is probably why she can ride in another person's angelic ladder,and before you say anything Alice is still technically a master a mass of corrupted data but still a master, because her defeat lowered the angelic ladder

Twi · 2018-03-20, 16:18

The ladder was already down with Alice. It wasn't functioning because of a barrier on it that was stronger than a Code Cast. That being said, Alice already said that she couldn't die while she was a Master so that was probably due to NR considering she stopped rewinding time at that point so it could carry out.

shadow1296 · 2018-03-20, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Twi

The ladder was already down with Alice. It wasn't functioning because of a barrier on it that was stronger than a Code Cast. That being said, Alice already said that she couldn't die while she was a Master so that was probably due to NR considering she stopped rewinding time at that point so it could carry out.

my mistake but that still doesn't change the fact if a floor has a floor master that floor master has to be a master, both alice and julius aren't floor masters which was why the ladder is already descended, rin is also no longer a master to the point even hakuno can tell with saying there are no legitimate masters on that floor to help saber this episode, so rin can't be the floor master on the 6th floor

Kanon · 2018-03-20, 18:32

Rin still has her command spells, so can't she be considered both a master and a demi-servant? I was disappointed the show completely glossed over this. They've been acting as if it is completely natural Rin can turn into Lancer.

shadow1296 · 2018-03-20, 19:51

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Rin still has her command spells, so can't she be considered both a master and a demi-servant? I was disappointed the show completely glossed over this. They've been acting as if it is completely natural Rin can turn into Lancer.

so did alice and she was no longer is considered a master

Dengar · 2018-03-26, 01:24

So, Rani somehow survived... Or was she even alive in the first place? It seems her and Rin are the same.

There is another master on the sixth floor, and it's neither Rin nor Rani. Perhaps it's the other male Hakuno? I wonder if his servant is Lancer class.

Of course, the other possibility is that the sixth floor master is Leo.

2018-03-18, 13:20	Link #162
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I was talking about the one in the flashback, but it'd be a twist. Nero wouldn't complain since she has a fine appreciation of both. __________________

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FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Spoiler for Ep8: Things remain pretty darn interesting. We're getting much more to the core of things in terms of Hakuno's existence. There probably is more to it as evidenced by how this episode ended. Not surprising that Hakuno appears to be the accumulated anger/rage/resentment from the fallen. Because Twice effectively sealed things off the dead couldn't be 'recycled' as they normally would. At the very least if people wanted some Hakunon, it appears we're going to get some. Curious to see what that presentation is going to cover. Maybe showing brief snippets of Hakunon's grail war with Saber? No surprise Hakuno didn't stand a chance there against someone who was a crazy good killer to begin with and appears to be a Dead Face. In a cool way it does cover/explain what Julius effectively turned into. On the positive side it is kind of cool to see Rin more openly using Lancer's powers. Kind unsure how Gae Bolg could miss to that degree. But still a good laugh from Saber dumping that fight onto Rin because she knew Hakuno needed the help and she could only last for so long. A lot of wild stuff going on such as that mysterious rescue. Although it was less a rescue than just forcing Julius to retreat. A good thing, but only if Saber and Hakuno get back up. __________________ Anime-Evo

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry about them skipping the fourth floor so casually. Saber said she thought Hakuno was Hakunon's reincarnation when she first saw him, and that will most likely end up being not too far from the truth. A dead face with Hakunon emerging on top. Just like Julius is a dead face with Julius in control. The proof is Julis immediately identifying him as Hakuno Kishinami, the one he hates so much for killing him. As for the prologue and the flashbacks we saw with Dan and Alice, they were probably the memories of other masters that are a part of him, but not of Hakuno Kishinami herself. Explains why nobody recognized him. That giant Lu Bu sure was a surprise. Seriously, what the hell? Only two episodes left and one special. __________________

2018-03-19, 14:14	Link #167
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Yeah I had trouble being sure that was Lu Bu or not since it just seemed odd. Too giant even for Lu Bu. But maybe it was just the angle and how they portrayed it visually. I agree it's very likely Lu Bu though. Although that opens up some questions. But those will likely be settled next week. Still plenty to get through. Have to settle things with Julius, then move on to the next opponents, and then can settle things with Twice at the very top of this ride. __________________ Anime-Evo

2018-03-19, 18:01	Link #168
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	It's not a surprise Julius is the OG Dead Face. He was so stubborn to kill in the game that he literally came back as a mass of hatred and grudges. Likewise, I'm not surprised about Hakuno because the writing was on the wall, but the fact that he's grail mud wrapped in a human shell makes Kotomine seeing him off in the first episode a lot more poignant. __________________

2018-03-19, 05:58	Link #164
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	As far as I understand, thrown Gae Bolg has different properties and thus can miss. I wonder what's up with giant who intervened. That was totally out of nowhere. Did anyone recognize it? Julius is a dead face as well, which makes sense. As is Li Shuwen being a Berserker now. The question is, what is Hakuno. I mean they try to imply that Hakuno isn't Hakuno and that he is in fact no one. However, that doesn't really add up. He has been shown to have things other than hatred.

2018-03-19, 08:20	Link #165
belatkuro Kuro-chan Join Date: Mar 2012	The gauntlet and the headpiece silhouette was already a big hint. It's Lu Bu.

2018-03-20, 04:09	Link #169
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	They skipped the fourth floor? When did that happen?

2018-03-20, 04:43	Link #170
belatkuro Kuro-chan Join Date: Mar 2012	When they were exercising at the start, Saber said that the 4th floor enemy wasn't worth mentioning compared to the monster of the 3rd floor. They're at the 5th floor now. There's no Floor Master in 5th floor so the Ladder is already lowered. The issue is getting there when Julius and Berserker are blocking their way.

2018-03-20, 05:19	Link #171
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Oh my dog you're right. For some reason it registers as her not finding the third floor very remarkable. I don't think they would gloss over that floor without reason though. I feel like there's something relevant there. I might be wrong though.

2018-03-20, 12:42	Link #174
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Wasn't Amari stuck on the third floor though?

2018-03-20, 16:18	Link #176
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The ladder was already down with Alice. It wasn't functioning because of a barrier on it that was stronger than a Code Cast. That being said, Alice already said that she couldn't die while she was a Master so that was probably due to NR considering she stopped rewinding time at that point so it could carry out. __________________

2018-03-20, 18:32	Link #178
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Rin still has her command spells, so can't she be considered both a master and a demi-servant? I was disappointed the show completely glossed over this. They've been acting as if it is completely natural Rin can turn into Lancer. __________________

2018-03-26, 01:24	Link #180
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	So, Rani somehow survived... Or was she even alive in the first place? It seems her and Rin are the same. There is another master on the sixth floor, and it's neither Rin nor Rani. Perhaps it's the other male Hakuno? I wonder if his servant is Lancer class. Of course, the other possibility is that the sixth floor master is Leo.