2012-05-26, 00:57 | Link #701 |
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Hm...I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. Until half a year ago, I really rejoiced at the huge discounts we could get at amazon, and used it to as one reason justify the number of series I bought - the other reason being that I wanted to support the economy of a country and culture I love.
But then I read a few things about amazon's business practices (including one excellent analysis from a Japanese blogger - if you can read Japanese, the link to the relevant post can be accessed from this post about amazon in the US - basically, they avoid corporations tax in Japan, so all profits - admittedly slim - go to the US based online retailer. Other than that, they drive down already slim profit margins for smaller companies or individuals involved in producing what they sell - more details of which are in the thread that relentlessflame linked), and learnt that buying from them wasn't actually helping Japan at all... So...I think I'll use this as my jump off point, and try to buy through Japanese retail companies from now on - or Aniplex itself. Even if I have to buy fewer series, all evidence suggests that I'll be better able to support the Japanese industries I appreciate that way.
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2012-05-26, 22:35 | Link #703 | |
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At the end of the day, I'm not sure what impact "buying less, but buying from local retailers" has on the anime industry. The difference just ends up in the hands of the local merchant, and only ends up supporting the industry in a most indirect way (though Japanese corporate taxes, if the merchant is profitable and not sheltering). If the distributors sell more copies, I think that's probably a more direct benefit. (What they're hoping here, I guess, is that you'll keep buying, but just spend a little bit more by going to local merchants.) Incidentally, I know it was just an example, but people shouldn't try this. The studios have complex relationships with the production partners to handle the various revenue streams, and they're not looking for donations, nor do they have the financial processes in place to accept it and track it (and pay tax on it...). I'm sure they'd just say "please buy the merchandise", because it's a lot cleaner for them that way. Some studios have begun selling their own merchandise, though, and I suppose that'd be a good way to support the studio more directly if you want (though, internationally, that would probably involve a proxy).
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2012-05-27, 01:50 | Link #704 | |||
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hm...I don't think it's that simple. To quote someone from the forum you linked, Quote:
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Lastly, one thing pointed out by the Japanese blogger I mentioned is this: amazon Japan has avoided paying Japanese corporate taxes, because it is supposedly stationed overseas. i.e. people are buying from an American company instead of a Japanese one, so the company only has to pay corporate taxes in America. (Apparently, they do pay consumption taxes - at least, that's what that blogger assumes.) Is it a loophole? Or Amazon behaving like royalty and doing what it wants because it's a big enough company to do that? Probably a bit of both... Either way, since I've started getting a glimpse of the problems that these big companies are causing for the people who create the products they sell to us, I've been moving towards supporting smaller companies and producers directly where I can. Basically, for me, it's a choice founded on my sense of morality...and also a bit on the realization that the capitalist, consumerist world that has been pushed by a certain, powerful country cannot be sustained forever. As for alternatives...once again, I'll only be able to look into them properly after the end of semester. I do know that there are a few overseas fans on AS that buy BDs/DVDs from some of the Japanese distributors (I seem to recall animate, but could be wrong). I also know of Mandarake being used, though that's a 2nd-hand shop, so you're not really supporting the industry directly that way. Also, it could be that these fans are using 3rd party buying services (or relatives/friends residing in Japan), which would jack the price up even further. I do know that honto (aka bk1) ships at least BDs/DVDs and books overseas. However, being a Japanese-only site atm, it's not going to be helpful for non-Japanese speakers until someone writes a guide... Besides, it and all other options are obviously much more expensive than amazon, so I do understand if most fans aren't going want to switch even if they can read Japanese. I just wanted to state my own reasons for deciding to stop using amazon.
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2012-05-27, 04:11 | Link #705 | |
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If you want more shows like the one you support to come out, donating directly to studios won't do any good, because every sponsor, distributor and goods maker needs to profit from the venture, so that producers can then properly present the strength of their projects. Buying goods really is the best option. |
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2012-05-27, 10:27 | Link #706 | |
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Amazon Japan never really persuaded me to purchase from them over the years, even with their big discounts. I've only bought a few items from them but compared to how much I buy my anime from Animate for full RRP (plus proxy fees) or used to buy from CDJapan regularly, it's quite minimal. Of course the main reason is store exclusive bonuses but even when I first started importing I never considered using Amazon Japan, partly because of their expensive shipping costs when I only want to purchase just one or a few items.
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2012-05-27, 10:35 | Link #707 |
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I have not bought DVD/BR from Japan but I have bought other things (mainly figures & books) and I guess I never thought Amazon.co.JP was the cheaper option.
I used to order from AMZ.co.jp exclusively but their shipping costs are ridiculous. Now I tend to order from Ami Ami and CD Japan because they have more options when it comes to shipping so I am surprised when people say AMZ.co.jp is the cheaper option. It never seemed that way to me. I am not really sure if it is different when it comes to BR/DVD though.
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2012-05-27, 19:55 | Link #708 | |||
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That said, it's not necessarily all about wholesale price. The local merchants try to differentiate themselves through exclusive bonus items that you can't get from Amazon or other "big box" online retailers, and this trend has been accelerating in recent years. But perhaps we might assume that Amazon has been further discounting its products to make up for this lack of bonus goods, leading us deeper into the current situation. Quote:
In any case, it's a bit tricky to invoke morality about consumerist culture when we're in fact talking about the consumption of luxury products. Our purchases support rather-big companies who help fund the anime we enjoy, and a lot of the money gets siphoned away by the various middlemen no matter how you slice it. But that is the business model we currently have. I still think that, as far as the anime industry itself is concerned, purchasing a product at Amazon is probably better than not purchasing the product at all because you can't afford it without the discounts. I'm just not sure that many people can be convinced to buy all the same products but purposefully spend more so they can have the "feel-good" of supporting local merchants and the broader Japanese economy. Quote:
(Of course, this is a different story within Japan, where they offer free shipping on top of their often-steep discounts.)
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2012-05-27, 20:13 | Link #709 | |
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Even if it was giving money direct to Aniplex or Bandai, I'd be happier. I know that they will put money into other shows. I equally know that Amazon doesn't put a cent of the money I give them into Anime (even buying stockwise, they don't have to make any advance investment like a retailer does, they can stock everything). My money is waiting to be taken, Japan... |
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2012-05-28, 13:21 | Link #710 | |
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2012-05-28, 18:04 | Link #711 | ||||||
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Of course, amazon claims that this isn't true, i.e. it really is a loophole and isn't illegal. Good business practice when it comes to shareholders perhaps...but using that as a means to force market prices below what a healthy industry needs? I can't agree that amazon's model = good for the industry in the long run. On a different note: whether the Japanese retailers are necessarily "good corporate citizens" doesn't actually factor into my consideration as much as the fact that they are a Japanese company, and their shareholders are hopefully mostly Japanese. (I know that there is corruption / shady business practice in Japan too, although I'm under the impression that it's more of the 'you scratch my back I'll scratch yours' between companies, or keiretsu type of deal. But at least, it's ostensibly keeping more of the money within Japan.) Quote:
Personally, as I implied in my previous post and above, I'm fine with supporting the Japanese economy in general even if it's not directly related to the industry, and I'd rather not support an American retailer whose practices are, in my understanding, bad for the industry in the long run. Amazon may help distributors move more units, but if the payoff is that the wholesale price is brought so far down that revenue from sales drops overall? From a long-term perspective, that can't be good for the industry, or for fans. But that's my reasoning for deciding to seek other avenues - as I said, I'm not expecting anyone else to make the switch. Quote:
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My main point really, is that I used to think that this was good because of the benefits it brought the customer (lower prices). I don't anymore. One thing I will thank amazon for is that it probably single-handedly brought Japanese retailers online for international customers as well. There still isn't enough choice yet, but at least the way is open.
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2012-05-31, 12:25 | Link #712 | |
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Some numbers early. The rest will likely be updated by eggplant in the regular thread at some point.
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2012-05-31, 22:54 | Link #714 |
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Slightly lower ales for Nise this time but its still 50k is still amazing (I doubt anyone will beat Nise this year). SHAFT has dominated sales for 2 years straight. That's really scary especially when you realize that in these next few years, they'll be prioritizing their cash cows.
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2012-06-02, 03:00 | Link #715 | |
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2012-06-02, 07:11 | Link #716 | |
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Orcion 1st half of 2012 manga sales indicate that Thermae Romae (643,209) and Chihayafuru (359,927) sales significantly benefitted from the airings of the anime, even if the animes themselves didn't do well. And in the case of Thermae Romae, three consecutive weeks at #1 in cinemas with the live-action. Space Bros sold 2,684,223 and was the 4th biggest selling title (for volumes combined, not for individual volumes) in that time period, so another case of airing for the benefit of manga. Moyashimon did 356,037 for its most recent volume, definitely high enough to justify a 2nd season of anime. Railgun #7 did 362,009, won't surprise me if more Biribiri appears sometime soon in anime form. I'm beginning to wonder whether Silver Spoon would get an adapation since it's been the strongest in sales for new manga starting in the last 12 months or so. Sure it's not material most appealing for what usually sells big in the anime format, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a noitaminA title in 2013.
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2012-06-02, 09:40 | Link #717 |
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I really hope Chihayafuru gets a second season (it needs it badly). Manga sales have decently skyrocketed and I do hope the producers considers this.
Regarding Silver Spoon, Arakawa is just amazing. After FMA, she gets another mega-hit manga?!? Not many famous mangaka can do that. Silver spoon is perfect for noitaminA. That's actually pretty interesting since people have been comparing Madoka with Evangelion for a while (the next big thing, deconstruction of genres). I doubt though that Madoka will get close to Eva sales since not only will Eva have a bigger theater count, it's admittedly the most popular original anime ever made in Japan.
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2012-06-02, 12:02 | Link #720 | |
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You would hope the publishing house behind Chihayafuru would be giving Madhouse some form of compensation. From memory, pre-anime it was 200k. Post-anime airing 360k. That's close to double the sales.
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