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Edmure Tully probably isn't going to be killed. Not right away. He's too valuable as a Prize Stud.
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2013-06-03, 06:33 | Link #804 |
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Knew exactly what was coming, still didn't make it any easier to watch. Woulda been cool to see some of the fight that was in the books, but ohwell. The whole stabbing Talisa bit was a nice touch.... by nice i mean, horrible mind destroying piece of evilness
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2013-06-03, 07:38 | Link #805 | |
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And honestly, the biggest "critical hit", if you will, for me was when the cross bowers surrounded Robb's dire wolf and took him down. And poor Arya had to watch as another of the family's dire wolves left the realm. |
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2013-06-03, 07:50 | Link #806 |
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The only issue I have with the depiction of the Red Wedding, really, is that I don't think they did a good job of conveying just what a grievous affront to everything that's held sacred in Westeros it is to offer guests bread, salt and the protection of your house and then do what Frey did. In the book Cat was in fact on edge from the start and told Robb to be sure he ate bread and salt the moment he walked inside Frey's keep.
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2013-06-03, 08:12 | Link #807 |
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In the books this scene hit me a lot harder than what happened to Ned Stark. I remember I wasn't shocked at what happened to Ned and I felt I could see it happening. But still this one I didn't expect. This scene was also so much crueler than what happened to Ned.
Although in hindsight I should have known. In the books, Robb gets little development (he actually gets more focus in the TV series) and he had some of the same "noble flaws" as his father. And apparently being noble has no place in the ASOIAF world.
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2013-06-03, 08:41 | Link #808 | |
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2013-06-03, 08:50 | Link #809 | |
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Would Ned have broken such a vow, even to the late Walder Frey? I rather doubt it.
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2013-06-03, 09:01 | Link #810 | |
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could read these tweets all day I really liked the changes of the red wedding compared to the novel... made it all the more gruesome. However it's kinda sad that many viewers probably didn't get the musical reference there, which is like one of the best moments. Unfortunately the few occasions Rains of Castamere has been featured so far in the TV series (Bronn singing, ending credits, recently explained by Cersei) aren't enough for TV viewers (only) to catch the meaning when the band started to play and Catelyn recognized it. |
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2013-06-03, 09:15 | Link #811 | |
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Now would Ned have slept with her as an adult maybe not. But who knows what he would do at Robb's age. I do think it was like father like son. Of course Ned had some years of maturity that Robb lacked but it still didn't help him in the end either. And even if the Frey's betrayal should have been obvious I don't think the cruelty of it should have been. That is probably why it hit me harder than Ned's death. The Frey's certainly went out of their way to make the whole affair as gruesome as possible. Like you said they thought they were safe because they were taken in as guests. In the end though it shows you can win every battle but still lose the war because of one moment of stupidity.
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2013-06-03, 10:01 | Link #812 | |
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I liked the wifey, but all the lovey-dovey ness put a giant flag on her. Also, unless Danerys eventually goes to Valantis, I can't see how it would ever be tied back to the story. Cat on the other hand.. different thing altogether. She was a strong character, and a very layered one. The books portrayed TRW way better I thought, because it was from Cats POV, and really showed how crushed she was when it sunk in (when reins of castamere starts playing). The final scene really showed this; she was the real deal, who would go to any lengths to do what she thought she must. Of course, I will dearly miss the wolf as well. |
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2013-06-03, 10:04 | Link #813 | |||
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Not just the Greeks either. Dante would also have a special place in the lowest circle of Hell for the Freys. It's really a cross-cultural, diachronic taboo. You don't betray guests in your home. |
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2013-06-03, 10:19 | Link #814 | |
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What Robb did was Stupid. While what Frey did was horrible, I don't have any sympathy for Robb. He won all his battles, but couldn't deal with politics (sending Theon to Winterfell against his mothers advice, then killing the old bastard who killed the kids further splitting his forces, breaking his vow, and then going back to the person you broke the vow to.) The guy lost winterfell, "lost" his brothers (who are part of the royal line) pretty much gave up his Right to rule to a pretty face(I mean seriously how stupid do you have to be, if you're king you can have many mistresses that are prettier than her, come on.) halved his forces by killing Castark when he shouldn't have, and then still expected to win the war? I'm glad he paid the price for his stupidity, if he gave away the North so easily through a series of really really stupid blunders, then as someone before him said, he would have been a HORRBILE king. The only reason people want to defend him is because of all the airtime he got (to make the Red Wedding even more impactful no doubt) I mean what was he going to do if he took the throne, and was all of a sudden burdened with the debt that Joffery racked up in his rule? You can't just "declare bankruptcy" in the feudal/middle ages, like you can now. |
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2013-06-03, 10:26 | Link #815 | |
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--- As an aside, this has to be the most Stark-centric episode we've seen in quite some time. Besides the brief side-story with Dany (which I felt was a little too underwhelming and maybe should have been excluded), and the briefest of vignettes with that fat guy and mother over the wall, this was a wall-to-wall Stark episode. And it worked quite well for such a specific episode. I especially liked the changes in Rickon. In the books he is around 4 years of age, so he always comes across as a bother and a brat, but here I actually felt for him and his desire to protect his brother. It was a beautiful little moment. Jon was also a lot of fun. He's a character you can root for, since he is one of the few moral individuals left in the story, but at the same time I can't help but call him a jerk for leaving Ygritte like that. Theirs is definitely a relationship that improved greatly in the adaptation. |
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2013-06-03, 10:42 | Link #817 | |
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The series' composer only made the melody so sinister because of its most "prominent" use in the story (so far). Many probably didn't even remember they might have heard it before, during the end credits of Season 2 Ep 9 (with lyrics). It's just a little detail, the episode was still great, I just think it's a bit of a missed opportunity for the TV series. |
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2013-06-03, 10:55 | Link #818 | |
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Robb's stupidity came from his youth, immaturity, but also his father. Being honorable in this situation was stupid but being honorable is what Robb got from Ned. Now you can say he wasn't honorable to the Frey's which is true but I suppose he felt being honorable to a woman was more important (and again the situation with the girl is different in the books, so I am also judging Robb by that) Anyways there are tons of characters who did far worse than anything Robb did who are still alive, so saying he deserved what he got seems silly to me. He didn't deserve what happened to him, but "deserved" is not how this story works. And despite mistakes I think despite not being perfect Robb would have been a good ruler to his people, certainly better than a lot of the alternatives.
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2013-06-03, 11:18 | Link #819 | |
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Iron Bank of Bravvos.-AKA Wall Street The High Septon- Aka the pope. Tywin Lannister-AKA Tywin Lannister. (They made a song about what happened to the last guy who defaulted on a Tywinian Loan, what was it called again? Someone remind me) Good....Luck. |
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