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2009-04-26, 08:56 | Link #263 |
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They were caught off guard. Logia users have to train temselves pretty high to always stay in elemental mode and as Kizaru showed when they are caught off guard they can be influenced by normal attack.
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2009-04-26, 09:36 | Link #264 | |
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Anyway: my dream come true: Crocodile is back, and he's obviously going to play a major, cool role, as expected of him. All I want now is to see Das Bones, and Enel make a comeback. Enel seems unlikely, but Das still has a chance...
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2009-04-26, 09:58 | Link #265 |
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enell will defintly be a cool comeback to the show after his fight with luffy in skypia...
i think if they will show an episode or 2 of each shibubukai telling there story,or even show mihawk more cos he is a great charcter,a meeting between him and zorro will be very cool after there last meeting,maybe to see how much there levels are diffrent,now that zorry is also a supernova... |
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Anyways, I'm going to stop right here. It's obvious that I cannot convince you to change your views, and vice versa. Nonetheless, it was a good debate.
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2009-04-26, 16:35 | Link #267 | |
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Lucci and Garp can both deliver precise blows of concentrated force to one specific area on/in Luffy's body. They are consequently not crushing the entire body, or even that area, but instead almost literally forcing a specific area/organ to be seperated from the rest of the body. Consequently, a precise blow with full force to a specific area on the body will always be more harmful to Luffy than a blow merely meant to crush. |
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2009-04-26, 16:58 | Link #268 | |
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If you ever slapped a guy, you'd understand. A slap makes a guy actually freeze, real time, and like...mouth open, hands open wide, and they get like...stupefied. A punch really doesn't have that utterly painful STINGING effect that a good, well aimed, put-him-in-his-place slap does. Just contributing, lol. Anyway: I'm still all for seeing Moria do something surprising during the fight coming up. I really didn't like how Luffy beat him with the Nightmare Luffy thing.
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2009-04-26, 18:00 | Link #269 |
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Good chapter, it was hilarious how Ivan had zero patience for any of the other level sixers; "Silence! DEATH WINK!" We all had sort of figured that Jinbei would be aiding Luffy in some way, shape or form and now that part has come to fruition. No sign of Shiryuu but it is still early so there is a possibility that he could make an appearance in a chapter or two to come I found it funny how Ivan was so easily able to blackmail Croc into cooperating, I vonder vhat his little secret is, maybe he has a thing for okamas?
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2009-04-26, 21:00 | Link #270 | |
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Would be extremely hilarious But its probably another reason because didn't Ivan said that he knew him since he was a rookie? Bahh, bad memory X.x Somewhere along those words though. |
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and LOL at your last line which is in the bold, if thats the case we might as well never compare characters. I have already proved my point, that Ace has shown powers on an Admirals level, you have yet to debunk it. The argument was not Ace being stronger then Yellow but Ace showing powers on the level of an admirals, which he did. Quote:
They are both Logia's, there fight would end in a draw, for Ace and Yellow Monkey have no way of hurting each other. Lol let me dumb this down for two members, it would not be a draw for the fact that they are logias, but for the fact that there logias powers (both Ace and Yellow Monkey) have no advantage (natural or unique) against each others power. Quote:
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And yes, we should not be needlessly comparing characters that have not shown their full abilities. The fact of the matter is, we do not know all of Kizaru's abilities because he was never even close to a life or death situation, so he never was forced to use all of his abilities. You can compare Ace and Enel, Ace and Crocodile, Ace and Wapol, Ace and lucci, Ace and Moria, etc, because each of these hypothetical opponents had been froced to reveal their abilities during the course of their battles. But, you cannot compare characters that have only shown a fraction of their powers. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that... Quote:
That being said, who says that Light wouldn't defeat Fire? Just because neither has a weakness for the other doesn't mean that light, which is a far stronger real world force, couldn't defeat fire (smoke and fire nullifying each other makes some sense (twisted sense, but still some sense); Light and fire, though, have a greater connection than fire and light). Additionally, maybe Kizaru's light based attacks would simply be more powerful, and consequently he would be able to beat Ace through over-whelming force more than a specific weakness. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-27 at 03:51. |
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2009-04-27, 03:40 | Link #273 | |
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In addition to what others mentioned, this scene was also meant to be mostly comical, AKA 'don't examine this too closely.' |
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2009-04-27, 08:16 | Link #274 | |
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2009-04-27, 10:00 | Link #275 | |
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But, I’ll say based on the amount of Hype there is for Admirals, and they are basically the strong arm of the Marine, is could be possible that he is indeed on a different level than Ace (while this could be wrong), we have also to consider as a factor the introduction of Haki, and of the character we have seen who use it and who not, (Both Kizaru and Ace could use it perfectly for all we know). At the end, it is difficult to say for now what is wrong and what’s not given the brief appearance we have seen of one of the character. One thing is for sure here, just because both are Logia users doesn’t mean both of then should be on the same level , this is fighting manga, and even if the author doesn’t put it in words, he has a rough estimate of every character power ranks. Personally I think Ace is on the same level the Kizaru, but that just because I like Ace the most...
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2009-04-27, 10:54 | Link #276 |
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Kizaru's top 3 abilities were named after some japanese legend about Mirror,Sword and Jewel.
Yata no Kagami (Eight Span Mirror) allows him to reflect to any place. Ama no Murakumo (天叢雲, lit. Gathering Clouds of Heaven) allows him to shape light into sword. And yet there is something about Jewel, probably his strongest attack yet to come. Since he used the 2 treasures as sword and mirror without altering anything, I guess that jewel attack can be something like reflecting light to many different angles as beams. Typical Shonen routine.Reminded me of Itachi and his Sosaano thingy |
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2009-04-27, 11:28 | Link #278 | |
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But Kizaru had no reason to go all out since he was just fighting supernovas (vs Rayleigh I assume he did, but when I think about it now we didn't see him try anything fancy), while it's very unlikely that Ace held back against Blackbeard. At any rate, it's not really possible to compare them properly at this point. There's no way to tell how Kizaru would compare to Blackbeard. Personally I don't think Ace is quite at admiral level yet. Kizaru vs Ace would probably end up in a draw though since they can't really touch eachother, unless one of them manages to exploit some sort of weakness, or has a haki advantage. |
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2009-04-27, 12:09 | Link #279 | |
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To put it another way, let's say the amateur Heavy Weight champ wins his title match in the same time that a proffesional Heavy Weight Champ (let's say Mike Tyson) can win a prize fight (they additional have the same basic build, and same basic fighting style). Does that then mean that the Amateur Champ is equal to the Actual champ? Or, does it simply mean that comparing the two will get you no where considering that there are so many unknown variables, abilities, etc that the Proffesional didn't show in a Prize fight that they would undoubtedly use in a Title Fight? In the end, we cannot compare Ace and Kizaru (or even really Ace and Aokiji), and simply because their abilities might nullify each other does not mean that Ace si equal to Kizaru, it simply means that Kizaru would have to fight differently to defeat him. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-27 at 12:20. |
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