Macross Frontier - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[G1Ace]

Japanese speaking people
I got one question
They translate it on the fansubs as V type virus
Is V as in the letter V as in Vajra? Cause the Japanese romanized vajra as Bajura
or as in the roman numeral V which means 5?

[Tak]

In Japanese, it is known as the V type infection, which in Engrish is V-TIPE infection. Heheh.

- Tak

[Tsukiyomi]

I liked how Sheryl's version of "Aimo" got followed by "Do you remember love?"

Originally Posted by apsody243

OK hears my theory on this whole V-Type infection, maybe the V in the name stands for Vajra and that this certain type of infection allows a person to communicate with the Vajra.
Ranka is also infected with this virus as shown in episode 14 "cant provide pic but its shown at 18:16" and is there for able to interact with the Vajra. Now Grace and her ilk thought that Ranka had died 11 years ago, and in order to continue their research they needed to find a substitute, in comes Sheryl but maybe Sheryl's body is rejecting the virus and thus killing her, or the virus they made was inferior to the one thats in Ranka.

The reasons as to why their virus may be inferior is that Ranka's mother who was involved in its creation "correct me if I'm wrong" is dead and without her they aren't able to make a usable product and instead have an inferior copy that kills its host.

Feel free to dissect my theory

No. just No...

V does stand for Vajra though.

[glyph]

Originally Posted by crisis

Investigation
Ranshe = Sheryl's Mom

Supporting Evidence
- They have the same hair style. ( )

Well, there's also the fact that the completely improbable name Ranshe is also part of RANka and SHEryl's name. Then again, MinMEI's name is also part of Ranshe Mei. That must mean Ranka, Sheryl and Minmei are really the triplicate avatar of the goddess Rooy Waka.

Also, the earrings that Sheryl thinks is a keepsake of her mother. Though we still don't know if she had them from before, or if Grace passed them on to her claiming to be a friend of her late mother to win her trust.

As for her hair, she could simply be styling it according to what she thinks her late mother looks like (if all her info is from Grace).

So, not _entirely_ baseless speculation, but still a long shot.

[Tak]

Never mind that Ranshee does not share the last name of Nome, nor is she a pacific islander. Ranshee is clearly Chinese, or at least her name is.

The best guess we have here is that Sheryl was probably adopted by Mao (or just named after her), and given the last name of Nome. Other than that, she bears no relations whatsoever to Ranshee.

- Tak

[Izayoi]

I am more and more sure of that blonde guy is Ranka's brother, since it is know he is close to her. But if you look at a family relationships, being a father would be really.... odd, so only brother is left. Sheryl apparently got pwned pretty hard this episode.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Setsilya~

being a father would be really.... odd, so only brother is left.

Because the father is Jeffrey Wilder. I somehow find myself very convinced of that.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by crisis

Investigation
Ranshe = Sheryl's Mom

Supporting Evidence
- They have the same hair style. ( )

...

Seriously.

If you want, y'know, seriously participate in a debate of that topic, you maybe should refrain from cheap mockery.

They look very identical. I posted enough comparison shots in the Sheryl thread to show that.

This is a story, told by people, not real life. "Coincidences" like this don´t happen in stories, if they are well told.

Originally Posted by G1Ace

Think about it. Why would Ranshe give up her child to live in some slump in Galaxy? What mother could do that to her child? Wouldn't someone else like Ozma not remember if he has a picture of Ranka her family? How could that even happen? Why would Brera not remember he had an older sister?

Because Ranshe was dead by the point Sheryl ended up in an alley? There´s a six year difference between the picture of Ranshe, Mao and Grace and the picture of Sheryl. By that time, the Vajra already had destroyed the 117th research fleet.

As for Brera, he doesn´t even remember that Ranka is his sister, if you look back at episode 13, when he was flying down to the Vajra queen.

To be honest, I don´t see how Sheryl can be the daughter of Ranshe, neither, because we know that Ranshes family was Ranka, Brera, her husband and herself.

But I´m really pickled by the obvious connection that Sheryl looks like Ranshe and has the same surname as Mao Nome. As I said, this is a written show, coincidences like that shouldn´t happen, unless they mean something.

[Tak]

Maggy, look, Ranshe has a Chinese name, Sheryl... does not. Sheryl bears the name Nome because she was probably adopted by the ol' doctor herself, nor is she a clone of Ranshe, who clearly had a family that did not include Sheryl.

- Tak

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Originally Posted by Tak

Maggy, look, Ranshe has a Chinese name, Sheryl... does not. Sheryl bears the name Nome because she was probably adopted by the ol' doctor herself, nor is she a clone of Ranshe, who clearly had a family that did not include Sheryl.

- Tak

You are assuming Sheryl "Nome" is her real name.
Ranka "Lee" doesn't have Ranshe's surname either.
Neither does Brera "Starne" (if he really is her brother, which is slightly more doubtful now).

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Tak

Maggy, look, Ranshe has a Chinese name, Sheryl... does not. Sheryl bears the name Nome because she was probably adopted by the ol' doctor herself, nor is she a clone of Ranshe, who clearly had a family that did not include Sheryl.

- Tak

Do you have any corrobarating evidence on that? Otherwise, it´s just speculation.

Exactly like my stuff, but I got the pictures and the weird name coincidences ( which didn´t even include Ranshes name having She-ryl and Ran-ka in it).

BTW, since when is "Ranshe" a chinese name? "Mei" I get immediately, but "Ranshe" sounds about as chinese as "Gurke".

[Tak]

Originally Posted by glyph

You are assuming Sheryl "Nome" is her real name.

I also mention she was probably adopted or something. Of course her name is not real. She named the kid after Grace picked her up.

Originally Posted by glyph

Ranka "Lee" doesn't have Ranshe's surname either.

Because if Ozma had to register her as a sister, what do you think he has to do?

Originally Posted by glyph

Neither does Brera "Starne" (if he really is her brother, which is slightly more doubtful now).

Brera's case is even more clearer. He was salvaged, given a new identity and name. Even Ozma recognized him.

- Tak

[zalem]

Originally Posted by Tsukiyomi

I call this nice pic Vajra in a testtube.

yeah, I noticed the Vajra in the pic a couple of pages ago. Probably the same one Alto spotted in the lab on Global. Before the most we knew that the research fleet was experimenting on Vajra. This pic does confirm that the v-type virus and Vajra are related somehow.

Originally Posted by glyph

Neither does Brera "Starne" (if he really is her brother, which is slightly more doubtful now).

Hmmm? I have yet to see anything that points to Brera not being her brother. Ozma's reaction to Brera recently just seemed to confirm it yet again. I assume Brera Sterne is a false name given to him by Grace & Co.

[G1Ace]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Because Ranshe was dead by the point Sheryl ended up in an alley? There´s a six year difference between the picture of Ranshe, Mao and Grace and the picture of Sheryl. By that time, the Vajra already had destroyed the 117th research fleet.

As for Brera, he doesn´t even remember that Ranka is his sister, if you look back at episode 13, when he was flying down to the Vajra queen.

To be honest, I don´t see how Sheryl can be the daughter of Ranshe, neither, because we know that Ranshes family was Ranka, Brera, her husband and herself.

But I´m really pickled by the obvious connection that Sheryl looks like Ranshe and has the same surname as Mao Nome. As I said, this is a written show, coincidences like that shouldn´t happen, unless they mean something.

Episode 13 13:31, we see a chrystal:
the persons featured on this picture are:
Ranshe Mei, her face is not that clear
A small guy that looks allot like brera sterne and the harmonica,
this small girl called Ranka,
some guy who we don't know what his name is but he is Ranka's father.
A dog
And no sheryl

Episode 13 14:04 - 14:16
we see Ranka lieing on a bed, asking her mother if this song is from Earth. We see harmonica guy/Brera and Ranshe. Again, no Sheryl.

Episode 18, 11:16: we see Ozma hold up a picture with:
Ranshe Mei,
A small guy that looks allot like brera sterne and the harmonica,
this girl called Ranka,
some guy who we don't know what his name is but he is Ranka's father.
Ozma's finger (probably covering up the dog)
And no sheryl

These pictures and memories were from before the vajra attack. So no way that she could have been taken to galaxy as a survivor.

Besides,
1. Age. Sheryl is 1 year older then Ranka. How old is Brera? 17? Next crazy theory would be that Sheryl is Brera's twin. What are the odds of another Kira Cagalli happening again with the same male voice actor?
2. Ozma knew Mao, knew Ranshe, took in her little girl. He would have known if Sheryl was part of the family, he would have known they had another older girl, and he would certainly have known how she looks like.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by G1Ace

2. Ozma knew Mao, knew Ranshe, took in her little girl. He would have known if Sheryl was part of the family, he would have known they had another older girl, and he would certainly have known how she looks like.

Actually, this last part is the only one which so far disproves anything. I already said I don´t think that Sheryl was in Ranshes family, seeing how she isn´t in all the flashbacks.

OTOH, Ozma didn´t recognize Brera until he saw the harmonica, so who knows whom and what he remembers from the 117th himself.

It´s of course possible that Grace had some plastic surgery done on Sheryl, to make her look like Ranshe Mei. Though Sheryl didn´t look too different ( in the context of her circunstances back then, of course ) in the shots we see of her as a street urchin.

[G1Ace]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Actually, this last part is the only one which so far disproves anything. I already said I don´t think that Sheryl was in Ranshes family, seeing how she isn´t in all the flashbacks.

OTOH, Ozma didn´t recognize Brera until he saw the harmonica, so who knows whom and what he remembers from the 117th himself.

It´s of course possible that Grace had some plastic surgery done on Sheryl, to make her look like Ranshe Mei. Though Sheryl didn´t look too different ( in the context of her circunstances back then, of course ) in the shots we see of her as a street urchin.

taking ranshe's looks and mao's last name to make the idol sheryl

[Key Board]

Sheryl says her earrings are a keepsake from her mother

I don't think she is referring to Grace, so perhaps Sheryl was adopted by Mao Nome/Noam

[Ithekro]

Could she be Mao Nome's granddaughter? (and Ranshe perhaps Nome's married daughter..thus Ranka and Sheryl would be cousins?)

Or the more likely case, Grace isn't telling us (or Sheryl) everything.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Do you have any corrobarating evidence on that? Otherwise, it´s just speculation.

Cmon, you speculated Sheryl being somehow related to Ranshe by the basis of the latter's name. I am at least providing some sort of a more concrete hypothesis.

Originally Posted by magnuskn

BTW, since when is "Ranshe" a chinese name? "Mei" I get immediately, but "Ranshe" sounds about as chinese as "Gurke".

Because her name is written as 蘭雪, which is as Chinese as it could get in a Japanese anime, and pronounced using Japanese phonics, which does not usually correspond to their Chinese counterparts.

Speaking of which, the earrings were provided by Grace, who probably installed new memories to Sheryl. Otherwise, I doubt she already had those earrings as her flashbacks shown her absent with them. Or if they are indeed from Sheryl's mom, her mom wouldn't be Grace, and definitely not Ranshe. I don't think it'd be difficult to think of her as an adoptive child of Mao, who bestowed her a last name.

I do not understand why people would relate Ranshe to Sheryl. It does not work at all. I mean, obviously people are making a lot less connections between Elmo and a certain NUNS Supreme Commander.

- Tak

[Darial]

Originally Posted by Tak

I do not understand why people would relate Ranshe to Sheryl. It does not work at all. I mean, obviously people are making a lot less connections between Elmo and a certain NUNS Supreme Commander.

I think two reasons:

1. People want Sheryl to be more "special" then she already is.

2. This series has a pretty good conspiracy plot line, so people are looking for angles everywhere. Even if it doesn't exist except in their imaginations.