Vivid Strike! - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[DKN117]

So we get another look at just how deep and nasty Rinne's issues are. Crushing guilt, self-disgust, self-hatred...

It's a damn shame the company's trying to all but erase Nanoha from existence, because this girl could seriously use a therapeutic talking-to from the Ace of Aces (Nanoha: "Jeez, and I thought Teana had issues before I helped her..."). Of course, Nanoha might have to Divine-Buster her to make her weakened and calmed down enough that she'd have no choice but to sit there and talk & listen...

[Random Wanderer]

Rinne needs therapy, that's for certain.

One thing I can say is that, right now, unless someone can talk more sense into her, winning this fight, or even winning against Einhart, would not do her any good. Given what we heard in this episode, she would just end up trapped in the same emptiness and self-loathing she's dealing with now. Unless her core problems are addressed, neither victory nor defeat will resolve anything for her.

She needs help, but she also needs to accept that she needs that help. Right now she's refusing to let anyone in. She's surrounded by people who are trying to give her the friendship, love, and support that she needs, but she doesn't actually see any of them. She still thinks she is suffering entirely alone. She still thinks she deserves to suffer entirely alone. Unless someone can get her to accept the hands that are being stretched out to her, things will not go well.

[4th Dimension]

Pretty much, as I have said in general thread, my feelings on this. Having her win would actually probably be worse than she loosing again, since it would reward her incorrect thinking. Which is actually my greatest fear for both the character and the show in general.

She is seriously messed up to the point where most of what she is completely devoid of rhyme or reason. Things like I was bad and hurt people so now I will hurt more people as a penance for not being strong.

While she does have people that wish her well, the problem is that those that might have been able to resolve those through talking things through, like her parents, are not aware of the problem since she has been stewing on it for years and the one person who might have glimpsed that Jill is obsessed with winning.

I am on the record as saying I don't think this is going to be resolved through fighitng. MAYBE Fuka can get her to start listening again, but there are too many issues for them to be resolved through talking between punches.

[B214]

Originally Posted by DKN117

So we get another look at just how deep and nasty Rinne's issues are. Crushing guilt, self-disgust, self-hatred...

It's a damn shame the company's trying to all but erase Nanoha from existence, because this girl could seriously use a therapeutic talking-to from the Ace of Aces (Nanoha: "Jeez, and I thought Teana had issues before I helped her..."). Of course, Nanoha might have to Divine-Buster her to make her weakened and calmed down enough that she'd have no choice but to sit there and talk & listen...

I think Fate would be a better candidate for that instead of Nanoha. In a sense, Fate did undergo almost the same experience as Rinne. She took a while to accept Lindy's adoption, gets absorb into the book of darkness and all.

[4th Dimension]

Originally Posted by B214

I think Fate would be a better candidate for that instead of Nanoha. In a sense, Fate did undergo almost the same experience as Rinne. She took a while to accept Lindy's adoption, gets absorb into the book of darkness and all.

Yesa Fate certanly has personal expirience, and has helped kids before. What Nanoha has going for her is that she is unlikely to be dissuaded by any kind of whining from the person she is trying to help.

[Serovectra]

Fate rehabilitated Erio (who was really bad off, perhaps more so than Rinne) without any sort of violence. I know duking it out is the way the Nanoha franchise tries to solve problems, but it's not the only way. Fate is less likely to call someone out on their bullshit, but she's no quitter when it comes to helping a person in need. She knows what someone who went through similar experience as her wants to hear, and how to best relay that message. The only character in the franchise with a traumatic past I feel it was necessary to use force on was Fate, because regardless of what you say to her, she was still going to help her mother.

[MeoTwister5]

Well that had all the throwbacks to Nanoha and Fate's climactic confrontation, complete with all the gravitas and reality shattering verbal insights, just with replacing beam spams with fists to the gut. On that end I applaud them for making a very nasty physical fight with every punch weighed on by their words, even if we just pretend that NanoFate don't exist.

I guess Fuuka's multiadaptive technique is the antithesis of Rinne's philosophy: Rinne can't read and learn how to fight Fuuka due to her singular one track me against the world philosophy, while Rinne chose to learn and utilize everything everyone gave her. At this point I'm actually willing to believe that if even for a moment, Fuuka might actually have a realistic shot at beating Einheart.

On that end I'll never get why it ALWAYS has to rain during a climactic fight. I haven't seen this much 1v1 property destruction since, well, every time NanoFate decide to have a tussle.

My favorite episode of the series, easy.

Reminds me of the reasons why I loved the first 2 series in the first place: each fight was very personal in more ways than one, not simply action filler. Each fight had a sense of purpose and a definite objective, whether it's befriending or stopping a threat, and every hit and energy beam came with the full force of each wielder's philosophy, gravitas and personality. You felt their entirety as a character with the way they fight and the way they reacted, with every blow dealt and blow received. This is something you rarely see in the genre, and even other more serious action series' can't do it right. In fact, the original and A's reminded me a lot of Rurouni Kenshin, if they were replaced by flying girls with demi-god like powers, with the way they talk during the fight and how they made themselves known throughout combat.

I'm feeling a lot of that here and this is precisely what I've been wanting to see since StrikerS. I'm glad this series can succeed at least in that.

[Gx Hero]

Regardless of the rest of the series this episode rocked.

Also in the season 1 anime their was actually very little said between nanoha and fate during their final fight, maybe a little internal dialogue.

[B214]

Originally Posted by Gx Hero

Regardless of the rest of the series this episode rocked.

Also in the season 1 anime their was actually very little said between nanoha and fate during their final fight, maybe a little internal dialogue.

The 1st Nanoha series work because the cast wasn't particularly large. The focus on Fate didn't dampen the focus on Nanoha. And the show easily allocated episodes on Nanoha and Fate's internal thoughts properly which is why it work in the way you mention.

Vivid Strike has a large cast which ends up making Fuuka feel less like a main character, especially with the focus on Rinne. And the fight between Rinne and Vivio felt more like a MC vs rival fight than the fight in this episode. In fact, Rinne is more like the MC for this show than Fuuka. Fuuka is like a character introduced just to make sure there's a plot going on for Rinne.

[4th Dimension]

@MeoTwister5: For me at least, but I accept that I might be too down on the show because it lost me half way through the season, this episode did not work as well. Yes it was more interesting than half the other fights simply because it was not limited to a fistfight in a confined space but it still was nowhere near as interesting as anything from the mainline, or hell even Vivid. This was still just a fistfight only with more power, and after a while constant Rinne gets pissed and throws Fuka through a wall, Fuka gets pissed and throws Rinne through a wall, Rinne gets... etc etc makes it so that any impact is soon lost.
On top of it all to me they seemed to be talking past each other a lot and not addressing key issues that Rinne had but focusing on symptoms.

But I'll watch it today again since the VividTranslation subtitles are out.

@B214 Agreed

@Gx Hero Sometimes more can be said with less. Nanoha basically needed to remind Fate that she is there for her once per fight, and then once the battle is joined she would give her 100% to putting her down so they could have a conversation in a more sedate manner that does not threaten the world.
On the other hand here they might be doing even too much talking. They talk and talk and talk but mostly actually talk past each other achieving not much, apart from getting Rinne to finally spill the beans about some of her self inflicted woes.

[Benigmatica]

After seeing this episode, it's pretty clear that Fuuka slightly edged-out Rinne as she not only learned various techniques from her gym-mates, but also tough enough to make counters against her friend.

Still, the fight isn't over until one of them emerge victorious. But seriously, who needs therapy for Rinne when Fuka can reach her heart through her fists!

[4th Dimension]

I rewatched the episode and it's better clearer a bit now, but still the first impression was baaad.

What struck me the most how much young Rinne seemed to channel Reinforce II. Similar looks and as far as I could tell identical voice and personality.

[Blueknight78]

ok after watch episodes 10 and 11 my toughts:

really rinne is a super messing up and part of this is her "bitch" coach, as i told before she was supposed to "help rhinne and not make things worst, basically she was aware of rhinne issue then instead of proper adress it and help her, she just used it as a "powersource" which obvious not was the rigth thing and ended making rhinne become a ruthless crazy bitch which just think which fight wins and become the strongest is the only thing which matter, really a terrible coach, serious that woman need to learn a little more about how to proper be a coach and not let her selfishness make things worst.