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Originally Posted by Irenesharda
Actually, it's really the western audience that just seems to hate Slaine, I love him myself and I know there are others like me, so we're not a very small minority of the western audience. Eastern audience on the other hand is the exact opposite, Slaine is very well liked over there and is the most popular character in the show. So, it really depends on your audience when you're talking "that more people hate Slaine".
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This was what I was referring to. I really don't have any knowledge of the Japanese audience and simple google searches haven't revealed anything so I can't really comment.
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Originally Posted by Irenesharda
As for motivating, I think his original motivation is pure, and I think that at its center it still is. He wants to make a society that is good for all Martians and not just the elite where they are not dying because of having no resources and horrible living conditions, without having any kind of support because of the feudal system that is always putting them down. However, in order to do this, he has to be able to control all the power of Vers since the power of Aldnoah is controlled from the very top. However, to do this, he's had to take some dark paths that may or may not consume him, depending on where this goes from here.
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This is speculation. It may end up being true, but to me, the evidence is increasingly pointing towards a more impure motivation. Intent to use underhanded methods to frame dissenting counts
may be excusable & compatible with a pure motivation, but there are certain things that make me doubt that he's really pure as you claim.
1. Slaine's monologue about settling for power if he can't be close to Asseylum or be of use to her. There's no pure reason for Slaine to have power if he's not going to be working for Asseylum's goals. And you're not going to convince me that Slaine suddenly started caring about the poor in Vers when the only thing on Slaine's mind up to this point has been Asseylum, Asseylum, and Asseylum.
2. Slaine's unnecessary outburst at Eddelrittuo. I want to add a corollary to this and say that Slaine dropping the honorifics for Harklight is another sign. These little things seem to be adding up in showing that the power is getting to his head.
3. Dropped flowers. Control freak. Rage about NTR. lol
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Originally Posted by Irenesharda
I made the example because people were mad at Slaine for destroying Trident base and killing Terran soldiers, when to me those are all perfectly legal targets. Yet, L-elf killed people indiscriminately civilian or soldier and destroyed whole areas both during war and during peacetime, both before and after he met Haruto. His morals were much more dark gray than Slaine's. Now, don't get me wrong I LOVE L-elf and Lelouch, they are my favorite characters in either series. I just don't think that Slaine should be getting the hate that he is getting, but that's just my opinion.  |
Wrong! It should actually be the opposite lol
Too many people like L-elf and Lelouch. They should hate them just as much as they hate Slaine (if not more).
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Originally Posted by monster
Slaine doesn't dictate how Mars should conquer Earth, but he is still the one who pushes the counts to focus on conquering Earth and leave the details to them. Some counts are careful in what destructions they cause and others may not be as careful. Also, one reason why they don't indiscriminately attack is because they want to preserve the Earth for themselves.
And regardless if Slaine himself only attacks military targets, Mars is still the aggressor in this conflict. So those military targets are people who are only defending themselves against the invading Martians. He does not need to personally commit or command actual genocide in order to be considered at fault for what he and/or the people under him does and/or has done in this conflict.
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The bold part is why I agree that Slaine is responsible for countless deaths/can be seen as a mass-murderer. The underlined portion, however, is ridiculous unless you're going to claim that every invading country/force is at fault. There are justifiable reasons to invade or attack. Obviously, the reasons that the Vers empire have for attacking the Earth in this anime are selfish and place them in the wrong, but to imply that any aggressor is wrong is a bit extreme.
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Originally Posted by Dauerlutscher
Like I said, Taking part in the murder of millions of people is genocide. By assisting and supporting Saaz, Slaine was willingly taking part in that.
http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide..._framework.pdf
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Well then, every soldier is willingly taking part in some form of genocide.
