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And I dont know what goes on in Japan, but in my country the recent Ghibli stuff hasnt done well because they shirk plot. Quote:
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2013-01-29, 04:48 | Link #62 | ||
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2013-01-29, 04:55 | Link #64 | |
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Namely, that Ghibli segregates itself from the anime subculture and creates family-friendly [keyword: family], widely popular works the way Disney does in the United States. Saying you like a Ghibli film is like saying you like a Disney film -- you can talk about it with your coworkers and nobody bats an eye (unless you're being obsessive about it). You can't do that with Madoka Magica or whatever without some social risks. People who go to watch Ghibli films in movie theaters include a very wide range of the Japanese population, some of which will never touch anime as we know it. It's a different audience, different "phenomenon." |
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2013-01-29, 05:02 | Link #65 | |
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Ghibli doesn't care about what sells to otakus because their market is much larger than that.You don't need to look further than their next two movies currently in development to see they don't care.
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2013-01-29, 05:16 | Link #66 | ||
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2013-01-29, 05:24 | Link #67 |
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Otaku dont criticize Ghibli. Are you calling me an otaku??
That has nothing to do with why I dont like Ghibli stuff anymore. And don't call me an otaku, I have friends and leave my house for sunshine all the time and dont spend every minute of my life on the computer watching anime or jacking off to moe or killing girls or saying 2D > 3D. I hate that phrase, it's so sad and pathetic. |
2013-01-29, 05:39 | Link #68 | |
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I said "some"... ad doesn't mean all.... |
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2013-01-29, 07:06 | Link #71 | |
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I think Ghibli has two core problems:
1) Miyazaki is Ghibli. Ghibli is Miyazaki. It's kind of like Apple and Steve Jobs (and look how Apple is now struggling with Jobs passed on). This is fine, even good, as long as "the big guy" is alive and contributing as well as he ever did. But at some point, you need to find someone who can effectively carry on your legacy, and unfortunately, Miyazaki doesn't appear to have been able to. 2) With 1) in mind, Ghibli is too segregated from the rest of the anime industry for its own good. Don't get me wrong - I'm not making this criticism from any sort of ideological perspective, but moreso from a simple practical one. Ghibli probably has a hard time finding fresh talent because it cuts itself off from much of the talent out there that's interested in the world of anime. I can certainly understand and respect Ghibli wanting to "stay classy", high-brow, and family-friendly, because those have become some of the core defining strengths of Ghibli and its brand. But as KyoAni has shown, you can do that without totally rejecting the rest of the anime world. Sad to say, but I doubt Ghibli will ever regain its past glories. Though I'd love to be surprised here. Now, for a side-issue... Quote:
So to say that "Redline completely neglects its story" is more than just exaggeration, its downright false. I would not have liked Redline anywhere near as much as I did if it had completely neglected its story.
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2013-01-29, 07:17 | Link #72 | |
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Though they seem to be looking up with Nichijou and Hyouka. And that one with the Chuu... long name I guess (but I haven't seen that so not sure). Also to add, I'm not saying I think slice of life is terrible. But Keion, mainly S2, was not interesting slice of life, it was obvious moe money pandering. Fine if that's what you gotta do to file your taxes, but not respectable for the most part. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-01-29 at 08:09. |
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2013-01-29, 07:30 | Link #75 | |
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It's like me saying that i don't like any George Lucas films for the past 20 years for having less innovations than his earlier work. Plus the special effects in his more recent movies are far less groundbreaking than what Star Wars did back then. |
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2013-01-29, 07:42 | Link #76 | |
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2013-01-29, 07:46 | Link #77 |
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It's not wrong but the subject of complaining about the more recent stuff compared to the "nostalgic" old stuff has been overdone so many times that it's not funny.
Your necro is essentially the same rant (but more limited to Ghibli) that ended being closed in the other topics . |
2013-01-29, 07:56 | Link #78 | |
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Nostalgia does bias and twist some discussions that compare new to old. But I really don't think that's what's going on here, and that makes a big difference, imo. Plus, people on this thread aren't just comparing more recent Ghibli works to older ones, they're also expressing concerns over more fundamental issues (such as "Is there anybody inside Ghibli capable of carrying on Miyazaki's legacy?").
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2013-01-29, 08:00 | Link #79 | |
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edit: And some of them are very and i mean very hard to surpass. Last edited by hyl; 2013-01-29 at 08:40. |
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2013-01-29, 08:03 | Link #80 |
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I'm not about the nostalgia, hyl. I'm talking about the movies themselves, and nowhere did I suggest that Ponyo is lacking just because it's new.
And as I'm sure you understand, a necro was inevitable. Either I post here and necro, or I make a new thread (the smart thing to do) and a mod moves the thread here, so the thread gets necroed anyway and you blame me for necroing anyway. Only diff is that the latter way ends up with me getting an infraction. Which should I choose? |
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