The Macross Universe - Analysis and Discussion

[CaptGloval]

^ I see the beauty of Spiritia Creation!!! *melts*

That was a good understanding of Macross 7.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Looking back at the franchise it makes me wonder if by Frontier's time sentient AI has already been achived by humans.

Sure there was the Sharon Apple incident but that was an abbaration due to her creators insanity of installing a illegal emotion chip and basing the personality matrix on the depressed Myung.

Indeed X-9 Ghosts are in service and also Brera Stern appear to use an improved brain interface.

Both technogies from the same era.

Would humans be accepting of a mechanical lifeform? They already accepted the Zentradi to their ranks.

Though there are military applications like turning a sentient AI Ghost to a dedicated and selfless officer like a Bolo. (A Bolo is a giant AI tank, think a talking Monster on threads.)

What would be so intersting would be an AI dedicated to culture and peace.

Imagine a ghost flying in the middle of a battlefield singing.

[C.A.]

Well, this may be from another universe but its all Macross:

In SRW Alpha 3, Basara and Minmay prepared a small fleet of AI Excelion class ships(from Gunbuster), that carried sound energy speakers. Then the ships blasted one of the greatest songs ever, Nico Nico Douga's favourite SRW song, 'Gong'. The song is supposedly sang in-game by Basara and Minmay, but is actually sung by JAM project lol

The song then defeated the final boss of the game, which fed on negative spirits, energies and emotions. Its was directly affected by the hot-bloodedness of the song full of passion, courage and hope. Which your characters become stronger as they sang along.

I'd like to hear the real Basara and Minmay sing that song.

[squaresphere]

Sentient AI's are a dangerous thing. They would have to be able to "feel" emotion for "culture" to work on them. I don't know how that would be coded in programming.

If we look to the most technologically advance protoculture, they used designer genetic engineer at their highest levels.

I could seem them at one point creating AIs then using that as a spark (soul) to graft it to bio engineered bodies to create the zentradi/protodevilin. Later on, seeing that creating full sentient AIs creates rebellion dumbed it down and created the vajra.

Course now I'm dangerously close to sending this into the tech thread

[FRS]

If we go the AI route, why not going fully into it with AI controled battleship ? (as in the Culture book serie).

[ReddyRedWolf]

Heard of it but never read it yet.

Anyway here's the so called lost years before Macross 7 and why they thought the "Minmay Attack" is not an effective way of winning.


Source: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/lofi...php/t3358.html

2010 ~ 2036
- During this period, several Zentradi fleets attack, but they're repelled by the UN Spacy forces lead by Commander Britai, as well as by the shock caused by the the Minmay Attack. Development of the VF-1R Valkyrie equipped with the SP-II Super Pack.

2014
- Launch of the interstellar emigration ship SDF-2 Megaroad, escorted by VF-4 fighters.

2018
- Lott Sheen born.

2019
- Komilia Maria Jenius born. (Silly game creators wanted her a 17 year old than 26. Though you could argue she's a 26 year old in a 17 year old girl's body. Inspiration for Klein?)

2032
- Dr H. Tachikahof passes away. He was the father of the VF-1 and VF-1R series.

2036: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross 2036
- Maria Jenius and Lott Sheen underwent pilot training under Britai's supervision. Just before their graduation, a Zentradi fleet unaffected by the Minmay Attack invades the Solar System and engages the UN Spacy fleet.
- Maria, Lott and the others cadets are allowed to fight in the light of the crisis.
- Maria battles and defeats Quamzin Kravshera and his underlings Jinna and Grimzo. The infamous trio manage to survive and to flee.
- The UN Spacy fleet defeats the so-called Neld Fleet
- Maria Jenius and Lott Sheen promoted to the rank of 1st Lieutenant. Maria becomes commander of the Red Horns Squadron.

2037: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross ~ Eternal Love Song
- Earth is under attack of the Zentradi Burado Fleet and of the Meltrandi Mokurendis Fleet. After an initial retreat, the UN Spacy launches a counterattack spear-headed by the Prometheus 2 taskforce.
- The Meltrandi Mokurendis Fleet withdraws.
- Meltrandi ace pilot Misty Klaus joins the UN Spacy with the rank of 2nd Lieutnenant
- UN Spacy cadet Kiryû Hayato is promoted to the rank of Major, and appointed CAG of the Prometheus 2 ship.
- Introduction of the VF-4 Siren, the "super" variant VF-4SP, and the funnels-equipped VF-4ST.
- The UN Spacy main fleet and the Prometheus 2 launch a combined attack on the Burado Fleet. The UN Spacy launches the Minmay Attack (Ai oboete imasu ka) and defeats the Burado Fleet.

Well if Mokurendis Meltrandi main fleet stayed the Minmay attack would not have worked on them.

Idols work on Zentradi, Genius ace pilot Rockstars on Meltrandi.

Vrlithwai didn't have Basara for his forces then. Though I'm sure Basara was still on Earth during that time.

You have to admire Supreme UN Commander Vrlithwai Kradanik though.

Facing two Zentradi main fleets , Neld and Burado, and Meltrandi main fleet, Leplendis.

Too bad the Meltrans left because of the Protoculture non-interference directive.

If they were all cultured they could uhhh... Help repopulate humanity.

I'm guessing Klein Klan, Nene Rora and Raramia Rerenia's moms could have come from this fleet. From Klein's line that their predecessors fought with Zentradi.

In fact the inclusion of fresh Zentrans from three more fleets could explain why some Zentrans prefer to stay giant in Frontier.

Not all of them came from Bodol Zer's fleet which most of it's people prefered to miclone.




Quamzin Kravshera survived his suicide attack and returned from space with new friends. Making counter measures against Culture Shock.

It's a injustice that he lived while Lap Lapiz died.

MACROSS ETERNAL LOVE SONG – STORY INTRODUCTION (FIRST PART)

More than 500,000 years ago, a stellar race possessing an advanced civilization called the Protoculture was prospering. However, a schism happened between the men and the women. And this situation finally degenerated into a war. They used their advanced technology to genetically engineer giant warriors devoted only to battles. The male giant warriors were called Zentradi and the female giant warriors were called Meltrandi. Both armies of giant warriors keep fighting, with terrible consequences. Many planets were destroyed, and the Protoculture, who had created these giant armies, were totally annihilated. However, the giant warriors, who had been programmed only to fight, were left without goals in life and keep fighting and spreading their war throughout the stars.

Apparently Zentradi and Meltrandi fighting each other was not a fiction. (Perhaps the basis for DYRL)

Bodol Zer's fleet was a fleet created to specifically counter the Supervision Army threat of Protodevlin.

Though Bodol Zer's fleet has females in it, they are still segragated.

Guess the Protoculture lost contact with many fleets thus they were not included in the Protodevlin/Supervision Army war which surely would have them wiped out.

Though I find it hard to believe the Stellar Republic fell due to a war between the sexes.

Max and Millia had it right make love not war.


More game info.

Spoiler for MACROSS 2036 AND ETERNAl LOVE SONG CHARACTERS:

Macross 2036 / UN Spacy

Komilia Maria Jenius
Heroine of this story, usually called “Maria”. This 17 years-old girl is the children of an Earthling and a Zentradi. She is a UN Spacy cadet pilot under the supervision of Britai Kridanik. She is training on the UN Spacy Moon Base on the opposite side on the Moon, when a Zentradi fleet immune to the Minmay Attack attacks. During this crisis, Maria is allowed to enter the battle. Even if she is only a trainee, Maria has inherited the “genius pilot” skills from her parents. This charming young woman has a stout-hearted personality and an unyielding spirit inherited from her mother Milia, but she is aware of her humanity through the education received from her father Max.
Valkyrie: Personal-use VF-1SR with four head lasers.
Voice actress: Takada Yumi

Britai Kridanik
Zentradi commander of the Britai Fleet and Maria's superior officer. But for Britai, Maria is more than a subordinate, she's like a member of her family. Britai is looking after Maria because he's an acquaintance of her parents Max and Milia. Maria and Britai may not be related by blood, but Maria considers him like a close relative and calls him “uncle”. Since Britai and Milia are old friends, he has a lot of affection for Maria, but he is annoyed when Maria starts calling him "uncle" in the middle of a training.
Voice actor: Ohtsuka Akio

Lott Sheen
UN Spacy cadet pilot. He's older than Maria by one year but she still leads him by the nose. His potential is a wasted by his rash behaviour; and his manners are those of a frivolous person. He may be Maria’s teammate, but he's somewhat reluctant to obey her orders. Like Maria, he's been allowed to participate to the battles in light of the Neld Fleet crisis.
Valkyrie: Personal-use VF-1JR with two head lasers. Paint scheme looks like Roy Focker’s Skull One.
Voice actor: Suzuoki Hirotaka

Macross ELS: UN Spacy

Gray Markshas
A vigorous fellow gifted with a strong musculature. His wild temper makes him look rough, but at heart, he is a kind fellow. He is also an eccentric man who enjoys battle times and meal times the most. He pilots heavily armed machines, like the Monster and the Armored Valkyrie. He is also a veteran soldier who fought during the Space War One.

Guy Harn
Like Gray, Guy has a strong constitution. He is the younger of the two, a promising pilot with a potential to develop. He dislikes war but he feels that armed conflicts are sometimes unavoidable in order to bring back peace. He is the taciturn type of guy who never talks idly.

Letlade Elendil
Her nickname is “Leto”. She is a trainee along with Kiryû. She is capable pilot, but she is a bit whimsical and ignorant of the ways of the world. This is mainly because of her upbringing as a prim and proper young lady. Along with Kiryû, she is going to be involved in real fight situations in the course of her training.
Voice actress: Honda Chieko

Kiryû Hayato
Hero of this game. He is currently following a training course on the UN Spacy Moon Base. He is blessed with high reflexes and reaction capacities, and he is regarded as a promising pilot. During his training, he gets involved in a battle against the Zentradi forces that unexpectedly appeared on the Moon. Kiryû displays superior pilot skills that truly shine when he takes part to real battles.

Lyle Craze
At first glance, he looks like a man of gentle manners, but his unusual composure and placidity conceal a very sharp mind. A highly skilled pilot seasoned by battles, he is renown as a UN Spacy ace pilot. At some point, he joins the same unit than the main characters, and they end up becoming comrades in arms.

Britai 7018
Former Zentradi fleet commander. During the Space War One, his task was to give chase to Macross. During his battles with Macross, Minmay’s singing gradually affected him, and he chose the path of coexistence with mankind. Now, as the commander of the UN Spacy Britai Fleet, his role is mainly one of a leader.

Exsedol 4970
Records staff officer attached to Britai. He has superior capacities when it comes to data memorizing. He has access to all the records and analyses made by previous staff officers of the fleet. Like Britai, Exsedol is one of these Zentradi giants affected by Minmay’s singing.

Kane Fredd
He calls himself « genius Valkyrie pilot ». However, he is overconfident and narcissist, which can sometimes lead him to act terrible. He is a cheerful and talkative fellow. When flattered, he immediately lets himself go, and appears as a light-hearted young man.

Nanashi Alen
Operator of the warships on which the main characters are stationing.
Her personality is a bit dark and serious. She is Kiryû's superior officer

Komilia Maria Jenius
Her common name is Maria. During the past year’s conflict, she revealed superior skills.
It is not surprising, since she is the daughter of the Earthling Max and of the Zentradi ace pilot Milia. Maria has a strong-minded personality inherited from her mother, but she is aware of her humanity through the education received from her father Max.

Lott Sheen
Maria’s trusted teammate and comrade in arms. He is a talented fellow, but his rash behavior wastes his skills. He is somewhat reluctant to obey to orders given by Maria, but for an outside observer, it is obvious that Maria is leading him by the nose. However, the two do not have noticed this yet.

Macross ELS / Zentradi

Grimzo Grinof
Quamzin’s Zentradi underling. He is at the same time an operations staff officer, a confidential assistant, and a brain Quamzin can always rely on. He entertains doubts about another alliance with he Meltrandi, and he is not satisfied with the decision of pairing him with the Meltrandi Jinna.

Jinna Fiaro
Quamzin’s Meltrandi underling. The ways of the Culture have considerably influenced her, which is understandable considering the time she spent under Quamzin’s direct supervision. She has a rude and quick-tempered personality. She’s even more violent than Quamzin, except during the battles

Quamzin Kravshera
He was reported dead during the great war against the Bodolzaa Fleet, but he miraculously survived. For a short time, he was emotionally moved by the Culture of the Earthlings, and he lived among them. But he couldn’t stand a life devoid of battles, and he escaped Earth. This time, he has summoned the Burado Fleet, trying again to destroy Earth. He has taught the ways of the Culture to Burado, so this time the Zentradi will be immune to the Culture of the enemy.

Bodol Burado
Supreme commander of the Zentradi fleet that is attacking Earth this time.
The Burado flagship is an entity that used to be directly connected to the Main Computer. Like Bodolzaa, he has been through a countless number of wars since his birth. That is why he has very little understanding of the “Culture”. In order to invade Earth, he has formed a partnership with Quamzin, who has had experience with the Culture in the past. He has devised the perfect plan to defeat the Culture.

Macross ELS / Meltrandi

Moruk Leplendis
Among the Meltrandi forces, Moruk Leplendis is the supreme commander of the Leplendis flagship, which is of the same class than the Burado flagship. The Leplendis flagship is an entity that used to be directly connected to the Main Computer. The Leplendis Fleet has been fighting for countless years, leading to the weakening of their war potential. However, there are still fierce fighters left in the Leplendis Fleet, such as Misty and her elite force.

Misty Klaus
Meltrandi ace pilot. She is said to have destroyed one large-scale battleship all by herself thanks to her remarkable abilities. She has a strong spirit and hates to lose. Until recently, this young woman was not familiar with defeat, but during her battle with the main character, she has discovered the feeling of love.

Spoiler for Macross Eternal Love Song mission briefings:

MACROSS ETERNAL LOVE SONG - MISSIONS BRIEFINGS

Mission 01 Real Fight
On the Moon's surface, an unidentified flying object is approaching to the place where Kiryû and Letlade are training. Their two Valkyries are to go after it until the regular troops arrive. This is going to be Kiryû and Letlade’s first combat mission…

Mission 02 Minmay Attack
The enemies have been identified as being Zentradi troops. Kiryû and Letlade have become regulars, thanks to their actions in this first battle. They are assigned to the Apple Team under the Second Lieutenant Kai Rowda. Their first duty is to search and destroy the invading enemy ship. The UN Spacy launches the Minmay Attack in order to give favorable battle conditions to its pilots.

Mission 03 Escort
The Minmay Attack has been unsuccessful. Kiryû and his comrades destroyed the enemy ship after a fierce battle. Meanwhile, the Zentradi appear in Saturn's airspace. Quamzin, Britai's former subordinate, appears to be among them. The Minmay Attack failed because of his tactics. Quamzin and Bodol Burado plan to obtain the secret of the “song” and to take control of the universe. The Zentradi are now attacking the UN Spacy advance base on the Moon.

Mission 04 Escape
The Meltrandi also appear on the battlefield in search of their Zentradi foes. This makes the situation even more confusing. The Meltrandi are women-only giant warriors, and the enemies of the Zentradi. In the light of this development, Britai deems the situation unfavorable, and orders to temporarily withdraw to Earth. All the remaining units of the UN Spacy fleet gather and depart for Earth. However, the Meltrandi have dispatched a small force to Earth.

Mission 05 Time Limit
Kiryû and his comrades narrowly escape from the enemy encirclement. Enemy commander Misty decides to launch a counterattack against the UN Spacy troops who defeated her underlings. The UN Spacy fleet is extremely defenseless during atmospheric reentry, and would be helpless if attacked at this time. In order to ensure safe reentry timing to the fleet, Kiryû and his comrades take off and go after the enemy. The enemy encirclement must be broke within a time limit of 900 seconds. A violent battle is now about to begin in the upper atmosphere...

Mission 06 Misty
The UN Spacy has withdrawn to Earth, and is desperately rebuilding its war potential. Since the Earth defense organization is not complete yet, there are frequent patrols using recon planes. Kiryû and his comrades have also come back to Earth, and are escorting the recon planes with their Valkyries.

Mission 07 Insider
In recognition of his services, Kiryû becomes the Squadron Commander on the new aircraft carrier "Prometheus 2". Meanwhile, Meltrandi commander Misty is feeling anger, having experienced defeat for the first time. She is under the wrong impression that the culture of the Protocultures caused her defeat.
This impression leads her to start an infiltration operation.

Mission 08 Intercept
Misty has sneaked into a town of Earth. However, for a Meltran who never experienced the Culture before, such a place is full of things and phenomenon beyond understanding. Particularly, the Meltrandi and their male counterparts live separately, and the only time they encounter, they fight. Thus, the fact that men and women are living together frightens Misty. Meanwhile, Zentradi commander Geran ordered its soldiers to go attack the town. Kiryû and his Hound Squadron are heading toward Geran, with the purpose of intercepting him.

Mission 09 Contact
Kiryû and the woman known as Misty finally met each other in town. The two were getting along pretty well and were having fun in the town. Then the Zentradi forces launched their attack. This town sustained great damages during past battles; so new casualties must be avoided at any cost. The UN troops must destroy the enemy before it can begin its raid on the town.

Mission 10 Strike Mission
The UN troops have decided to launch a counterattack against Geran, the Zentradi commander who has been frequently attacking towns. Geran has been caught deploying his fleet near the seashore. The UN has launched a general offensive against them. It is an all-out attack that targets the enemy flagship.

Mission 11 Again
There are more and more Meltrandi activities on Earth.
The Prometheus 2 has caught a Meltrandi recon party. If they get to escape, others Meltrandi units will immediately come in reinforcement. Thus, this time mission consists in destroying the enemy ships before they can escape.

Mission 12 Burning Point
While on patrol duty, the Prometheus 2 witnesses a violent battle between a group of Zentradi and a group of Meltrandi. The Meltrandi are in numerical inferiority, so it is only a matter of time before the Zentradi annihilate them. Kiryû founds out that Misty is among the Meltrandi, and along with his friends, he takes off to go rescue her.

Mission 13 Defense Line
Misty is distressed and troubled to have been saved by her enemies, Kiryû and his friends.
In addition, Leplendis has judged that human beings were effectively protocultures, and has ordered all Meltrandi units to evacuate Earth.
Geran's superior officer Burasardo has launched a violent attack in retaliation of the annihilation of the Geran Fleet. Again, the enemies must absolutely be stopped before they can reach the town. This battle will definitely be difficult.

Mission 14 Ambush
Misty is still troubled and unable to deal with her feelings. In order to see Kiryû again, to talk to Kiryû again, she has chosen to go one more time through the micronization process.
At the same time, Kiryû and his friends learn that Lyle ceased all communications while on patrol duty. Kiryû and his friends rush toward the location he was last signaled. There, Kiryû and his friends will have to deal with something unbelievable...

Mission 15 Picket Line
After Lyle's betrayal, the enemy attacked the Prometheus 2. At the time, Kiryû’s team was still away.
Upon learning about this attack, Kiryû's team hurriedly returns to the ship, only to found a perfectly safe Prometheus 2 and a single Valkyrie standing next to the ship. The pilot in this Valkyrie is no other than Misty, and she protected the ship from the Zentran attacks. Having taken the road of exile, Misty will stand next to Kiryû in the battles to come.
Now, before leaving Earth's atmosphere, Kiryû and his friends have to face the Meltrandi fleet, which has fled Earth and has been waiting for them at a high orbital position.

Mission 16 Strike Through
Having exhausted a lot of their war potential, the Meltrandi decided to withdrawn, letting the Zentradi and the United Forces wage their very own war. The war potential of the Meltrandi is so exhausted that they can be mopped up in one single battle.
The UN Spacy has noticed the Meltrandi withdrawal, and immediately concentrates its attacks on them. Kiryû's team and the Prometheus 2 enter battle against the enemy vanguard fleet.

Mission 17 Kill Zone
Finally, the UN Spacy has engaged a decisive battle against Leplendis herself. However, the Zentradi jumped in the battle and all hell broke loose.
In the midst of this chaos, Kiryû and his friends must survive to this battle royale, and have to continuously sally.

Mission 18 Strikes Back
The war potential of the Meltrandi Army has been considerably reduced, leading them to flee away from the battlefield by undertaking a fold.
Lyle was patiently waiting for the UN Spacy to come out weakened from its battle against Leplendis. Now that the UN Spacy has sustained a certain amount of casualties, Lyle is sending his underlings to give the finishing blow to the protocultures…
Kiryû's team is now facing Lyle's counterattack.

Mission 19 Liberation
Lyle's heart is filled with doubt, and he is painfully aware of it. However, he cannot discard his pride of Zentradi ace pilot. Once again, he launches an attack on the Prometheus 2, leading his troops from the cockpit of his Gilouza Free. A new battle between Lyle and Kiryû is going to take place.

Mission 20 Moon Base
Lyle's intelligence report explained why the Minmay Attack does not work on the enemy.
Quamzin has started the Protoculture communication system and has made the necessary so that someone else can’t cut in the communications. Kiryû's team, which now virtually acts as a UN Spacy task force, have been ordered to recapture the Protoculture communication system from Quamzin. The first step is a diversionary attack that will lead to the recapture of the Moon Base. In order to launch a surprise attack, the base must be under UN control before the main enemy force arrives. It seems Kiryû’s team must conduct the battle with the greatest swiftness possible.

Mission 21 Mars Area
Now that the Moon Base has been recaptured, the UN Spacy and Kiryû's team are going after Quamzin. They are heading towards Mars. Quamzin is aware of their coming, so he has ordered to his underling Grimzo to prepare an ambush attack.
The Prometheus 2 is now going to enter in an airspace defended by a large Zentradi force. This Zentradi force is expecting the Prometheus 2 attack and is prepared for it.

Mission 22 Counterattack
After a fierce fighting, Kiryû and his friends are getting closer and closer to Quamzin's ship. Quamzin has one more underling he can send against the United Forces in order to buy time. Jinna is targeting the Prometheus 2 with a warship carrying a powerful, large-scale “main cannon” designed to repel attacks from fortress ships. However, this ”main cannon” must gather energy for a long time before it can fire. This power depends on the satellite and is thus limited to one shot. Kiryû's team must destroy this cannon while it is still gathering energy, and before it can fire.

Mission 23 Burado Fleet
In order to recapture the communication system, the United Forces resolutely went after Quamzin's ship Quamzin ordered to hurry the reparation of his assault battlepod "Migg Pitt". Aware of the situation, Commander Bodol Burado has sent a part of his Main Fleet in reinforcement to help Quamzin.

Mission 24 Daedalus Attack
At last, Kiryû and his friends successfully caught Quamzin's ship. The Prometheus 2 is going to ram into Quamzin's ship by performing the Daedalus Attack. A large-scale assault is launched in order to take back the communication system. All ships and fighters take action to enforce the Prometheus 2's direct front attack. Kiryû and his Hound Squadron have taken off and are now heading toward Quamzin's ship.

Mission 25 Assault Team
Thanks to the Daedalus Attack, Kiryû and his friends have found their way into Quamzin's ship. Their target is the communication system located at the core of the ship. The core of the ship is located well above the place in which they have arrived.
However, they are now within an enemy ship, and the Zentradi can launch ambush attacks at once, or even encircle them. And if they don't succeed in breaking through the core of the ship, the whole operation will be doomed to failure. Even if it means getting rid of all the enemies, they have to succeed.

Mission 26 Satan Doll
Kiryû and his friends have reached the core of Quamzin's ship. The communication system they have been searching for is lying before their eyes. However, there is someone between their objective and them: Quamzin and his Migg Pitt.
In order to get the communication system, they cannot avoid to battle against Quamzin. In this battle, the mere fact of surviving can decide who is the winner: a cruel survival game has just started

Mission 27 Cross of Fire
Kiryû and his friends have finally defeated Quamzin and recaptured the communication system. However, during the trip back to their ship, Lyle bids Kiryû and the others farewell and leaves alone. Onboard the Prometheus 2, the communication system is hurriedly analyzed. However, the Main Fleet acting on Burado’s orders has encircled the ship.
Until the completion of the communication system's analysis, the Prometheus 2 has to stubbornly defend itself. If the analysis is successfully completed, the "Minmay Attack" will regain its effectiveness. But so far the only thing the Prometheus 2 can do is withstanding the enemy attack.

Mission 28 Last Attack
At last, the analysis of the communication system has been completed, and the UN Spacy can finally engage in a decisive battle. The "Minmay Attack" has started.
A combined fleet takes part in this battle, since the UN Spacy Main Fleet led by Commander Britai has joined forces with the Prometheus 2 task force.
The operation consists in rushing to Burado's flagship while the Zentradi are confused by the “song”.
A singing voice echoing throughout space and a long battle: things seem to draw near their conclusion.

Final Mission Bodol Burado
The “Minmay Attack” has confused the enemy, allowing the UN Spacy to break through the Main Fleet. Furthermore, Lyle ordered his fleet to support the UN Spacy. Seeing this, Zentradi soldiers are one after another turning against Burado, and siding with the UN Spacy. Kiryû and Misty's Valkyries, embarking heavy particle cannons, have entered Burado's flagship through the breach opened by the Lyle Fleet. The target is Bodol Burado himself. Carrying their spears loaded for a unique but lethal shot, the Sirens run through the battlefield.
bsu legato

[CaptGloval]

^Looks like a continuation of DYRL more than Macross "history" because of the Zentrans vs Meltrans thing. It also didn't factor in the Protodeviln as being a major factor in the decline of the Protoculture. But anyway, if it's declared as canon then I'll shut up.

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Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Heard of it but never read it yet.

Anyway here's the so called lost years before Macross 7 and why they thought the "Minmay Attack" is not an effective way of winning.
[/SPOILER]

Well, 2036 and ELS follow the non-canon DYRL continuity, doesn't it? Komillia is a teenage rookie in 2036, which is clearly off.

Incidently, Quamzin needs to change his moniker from 'the Ally-killer' to 'the Immortal'. The man simply refuses to stay dead despite being being repeatedly apparently killed off across series/games.

[ReddyRedWolf]

It has been said that Vrlithwai had to fend off two invasions and the Minmay Attack was doing squat. (Thanks to a certain Backstabber.)

That is why UN Spacy gave the order to the Macross 7 fleet to destroy Chlore's fleet in Encore.

Dr. Chiba did say Sound Force had to live up to it's history.

The Bodol Zer fleet ,which also had females, and others like it were a compromised response of the remaining Protoculture factions to combat the Supervision Army.

While the pure Zentradi and Meltrandi fleets were still fighting the old Stellar Republic war.

[CaptGloval]

^Ah, now that makes sense.

[Tak]

Yeah, the storyline portrayed in the games (for PC engine) isn't quite as non-canon as some believe it to be. Except the Zentradi, Meltrandi and the Supervision Army are still fighting their own 3-way war.

Because if they weren't... bye bye humanity.

Although up until now, the closest thing to resemble the Supervision Army are the Protodevlins.

- Tak (I guess we will have to wait)

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well that would be fun to see in an OVA.

Imagine a UN Spacy Macross colony fleet of Human, Zentradi and Zolan with some cyborg citizens too stumbling in that war.

Clueless Zentradi on the left, Hot sexy Meltrandi on the right, Zombie Supervision Army in the rear.

You in the middle of the clusterfrack.

Add in the Protoculture's birdmen and Vajra for spice. Judging all of them are bunch of failed experiments.


Then a sentient AI Neo Glaug is sent out from the fleet.

War is stupid! LISTEN TO MY SONG!

[CaptGloval]

What AI? We need Basara to take care of the Supervision Army and the Meltrans, while Ranka baits the Vajra. And since we're in a crazy situation anyway, Megaroad-1 should fold in to do Minmay attack on the Zentradi and Sara should take control of the Birdman!!!

Do you Remember Love? What 'bout My Star? Try Again. LISTEN TO OUR SONG!!!

[ReddyRedWolf]

Then a herd of Space Whales appear because they are friends with some Zolan and sense they are trouble.

Protecting the Macross fleet by ruuining enemy circuitry.



I believe someone said that Basara using speaker pods were redundant as fleet communications can be hacked for culture shock.

Speaker pods it seems were developed to counter unhackable communication systems a problem seen in the Eternal Love Song pc engine game.

A low tech solution to a high tech problem.

But they needed a guinei pig ... I mean an obsessed rockstar skilled pilot to pull it off.

Giving a customized VF-19 to boot.



In Macross M3, Macross 7 TV and Dynamite the UN Spacy appears to have a knack of finding Protoculture ruins.

All that info couldn't come from good old Exsedol.

Which makes me think Dr. Mao Nome had an influence on these expeditions. (Ep 10 Macross Frontier.)

Perhaps narrowing down where Sara and Shin could have gone.

But messing around the Protoculture's old stomping grounds more often than not tend to backfire on their faces.

[Dynastya]

Hello all, I'm new here and just catching up on all the previous posts but I have a message for you:

1) to all the Macross fans who said Macross is better than Gundamn because it doesn't have a lone emo teenager going solo wins over all the opponents:

I wanna shake your hands. Hats off to you all


2) to people who like the idea if AI controlled fighters in war:

Imagine if in the real world we could really develop a computer which can drive tanks, fly fighters, pilot ships and fight a war for us so that no soldier would ever have to die again. Now add to that and give global superpowers the same AI technology:

Without the horrors of war (including the fact that both military personnel and civilians die in war) what's to prevent nations from starting wars at their whims because no person would die?


3) to those who want to bring back Megaroad-1, I think it would be a bad idea to bring back Lynn Mei Mei, Hikaru Ichijyo and the rest into the series again. But if the producers decided to place in a storyline where the Frontier or another group finds
i) perhaps remains of MR-1
ii) some descendants found lost on a planet after crash-landing
ii) or better yet, only some space debris of an exploded ship (with some parts being identified as part of MR-1 but without any proof that MR-1 was actually destroyed)

+ perhaps also find clues about where Sara and Shin disappeared to: like an abandoned empty derelic of a 50 or so years old VF-0 fighter far far away from Earth.

4) to the people who wanted to barf or commit suicide after watching Robotech (or better yet burn any copies of Robotech they found and execute the producers of that crap series):

Way to go! The Super Dimension Fortress Macross FTW! Robotech sucks.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

2) to people who like the idea if AI controlled fighters in war:

Imagine if in the real world we could really develop a computer which can drive tanks, fly fighters, pilot ships and fight a war for us so that no soldier would ever have to die again. Now add to that and give global superpowers the same AI technology:

Without the horrors of war (including the fact that both military personnel and civilians die in war) what's to prevent nations from starting wars at their whims because no person would die?

Sooner or later, people will begin figuring out how to disrupt AI-controlled vehicles, and render them worthless via viruses and other software based technology. When that time comes, and it will come hard n' fast, well, its back to humies again.

You will never rule out humans in a war. After all, the goal of AI war machines are to disable each other's war waging capabilities. Meaning there will be human casualties anyway, whether you like it or not.

- Tak

[Dynastya]

Originally Posted by Tak

Sooner or later, people will begin figuring out how to disrupt AI-controlled vehicles, and render them worthless via viruses and other software based technology. When that time comes, and it will come hard n' fast, well, its back to humies again.

You will never rule out humans in a war. After all, the goal of AI war machines are to disable each other's war waging capabilities. Meaning there will be human casualties anyway, whether you like it or not.

- Tak

I know, I'm just saying that wars are MEANT to be horrible, for a very good reason, less we start enjoying them.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well besides the X-9 Ghost fighter there was another attempt at unmanned fighter mecha combat.


The Neo Glaug unit.

Based on the Variable Glaug. Having a Battriod mode, Gerwalk or Glaug mode and a fighter mode.

UN Spacy built these babies after Moaramia Fallyna Jenius, Max and Millia's adopted Meltran daughter, tested hers in combat.





Unfortunaly rebel Zentradi also manage to steal it's design for it too.

Not the UN Spacy stole the concept of Zentradi Glaug first.

Much like the VF-22 was built along the lines of the Quadraluun.

Spoiler for UN Spacy Variable Glaug:

Spoiler for Zentradi Variable Glaug:

Incident of Sharon Apple aside there is a nagging moral precedent in giving full AI to fighting mecha.

Wouldn't that make humans no better than the Protoculture and their arms race.

Even if they built ones with a BOLO mentality.

Maybe that is why Macross Consortium opted in creating a civilian AI than a military one.

The X-9 Ghost was more of a drone AI than sentient.

Which is why they are still used in 2059.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

1) to all the Macross fans who said Macross is better than Gundamn because it doesn't have a lone emo teenager going solo wins over all the opponents:

I wanna shake your hands. Hats off to you all

Pretty much my sentiments exactly...

I do find that the newer series like M7 and Frontier tend to incorporate more mystical elements like Anima Spiritia than either the original or Macross Plus, I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing or not wrt the story presentation. I do know that those who preferred the Robotech approach would likely be turned off by it...

[squaresphere]

hmm like I said earlier, sometime people just dream that there's something greater than the ability to wage wars and "just survive".