Claymore - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[killer3000ad]

First! Hehe sorry i had to. Anyways, the screenshots over at 4chan really got my appetite watering, looks like they covered 3 chapters here.

[toxic_trance]

Ophelia!!! Ophelia!!!! Ophelia!!!!

[superzombie23]

Can't wait to watch.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Hope some screenshots pop up, I can never find anything on 4chan

[Squawks]

OPHELIA!

There, as you can see, I can't wait. D:

[NoSanninWa]

Time for everyone to see how girls with ponytails play with barbie dolls. Fortunately Clare brought her live action Ken doll and she's playing house.

In related news, can anyone explain why they like Ophelia so much? (Without spoiling episode 13) I just don't get it. If you have to spoil episode 13 to explain, then please just let it wait until then to answer me.

[killer3000ad]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Time for everyone to see how girls with ponytails play with barbie dolls. Fortunately Clare brought her live action Ken doll and she's playing house.

Spoiler:

But first Ophelia plays a little game of "Special Places" with Clare

[Fenrir_valindri]

Let us just say people like her for simliar reasons they like Hollow Ichigo in Bleach and that is all I can say.

[Lendial]

bloodthirsty and prideful? that doesnt seem enough to warrant like. maybe the pony tail but she isnt very feminant/pretty unlike galatea/teresa nor does she seem very nice.

[Defiled one]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Time for everyone to see how girls with ponytails play with barbie dolls. Fortunately Clare brought her live action Ken doll and she's playing house.

In related news, can anyone explain why they like Ophelia so much? (Without spoiling episode 13) I just don't get it. If you have to spoil episode 13 to explain, then please just let it wait until then to answer me.

You don´t have to be spoiled by episode 13. People just like Ophelia because......because...I don´t know...Maybe because she tried to..Do the "Freafy Freaky Stylé" if you get what I´m saying.

[Squawks]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Time for everyone to see how girls with ponytails play with barbie dolls. Fortunately Clare brought her live action Ken doll and she's playing house.

In related news, can anyone explain why they like Ophelia so much? (Without spoiling episode 13) I just don't get it. If you have to spoil episode 13 to explain, then please just let it wait until then to answer me.

People probably like her for how she's so different then the rest, she's gone somewhat completely mental and I like her for her past. I'm sure that's it.

[Kinematics]

In related news, can anyone explain why they like Ophelia so much? (Without spoiling episode 13) I just don't get it. If you have to spoil episode 13 to explain, then please just let it wait until then to answer me.

At first she was just another creepy psychotic chick. Interesting antagonist, but nothing really more than that. The more they went through her storyline, though, the more I got a, well... hate to say this, but.. 'moe' feeling for her. I won't try to spoil 13 because frankly I'm not sure at what point that transition happened. It was just the accumulation of everything that occurred in the storyline, and then rereading it several times.

It may be vaguely like how people are sympathetic to Priscilla (who I don't care for too much, except as a cool villain), but I'm not sure that's the best comparison. I will say that in general I'm far more enamored with the darker, recalcitrant types than the ever-hopeful, optimistic types (and thus tend to despise most leading female characters; Clare avoids this and stays safely on the ++ list).

Possibly a better comparison is Helen. Ophelia and Helen are the only two Claymores so far that seem to show strong emotional foibles outside of the designated "I'm here to do my job" motif. Definitely taken in extremely different directions, but they seem to have the greatest sense of character that you can actually latch on to. People like Clare, Deneve, Miria and Galatea are far more controlled and internalized. While I definitely like all of them, there's a distance that they hold the world (and thus viewer) at that makes it difficult to truly feel attached to them.

Now excuse me while I go find a new avatar to match the sig.

[NoSanninWa]

Thanks Kinematics. I think I understand it better after reading your post. For myself I think she is a nutjob-and-a-half who would be bettter off (and happier) with a sword through her sternum. But I suppose I can see the alternate view now that you've explained it. Looking forward to seeing that new avatar, though I'll miss the current one.

I'm looking forward to seeing the episode subbed. Good times... good times... This is going to be so cool animated. Can someone tell me what scene the anime ends at. Normally by this point someone posts a long list of screenshots or a synopsis that answers the question and I reply on it to help me keep out spoilers.

[Defiled one]

^The only thing that I can say is one thing <10> My vote is ten and I don´t regret it. it brings back the feeling of the Golden age ;_; When Teresa was alive.

[Deathkillz]

Ophelia is shown in the preview right? she looks like a total whacko to say the least but i think the background on her would be the saving grace for me to even like her considering how detestable hate i still feel towards Priscilla (dam that bitch! >.<) ~ while i do like crazy psychos i think it all comes down to the form of torture they give out

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Thanks Kinematics. I think I understand it better after reading your post. For myself I think she is a nutjob-and-a-half who would be bettter off (and happier) with a sword through her sternum. But I suppose I can see the alternate view now that you've explained it. Looking forward to seeing that new avatar, though I'll miss the current one.

You're not alone with your wish to see her skewered. In fact, that never changed for me, and won't in ep13. Or later.

I'm looking forward to seeing the episode subbed. Good times... good times...

Something's strange tonight. Is it just my winny/share server, or are there absolutely NO Claymore raws listed yet? Not just not downloaded, but NOT EVEN LISTED?

Very unusual.

[Edit: And in just this second, the very first one showed up on Share]

[killer3000ad]

I noticed that too Mentar, right now I am refreshing 4 different raw sites every 5 minutes and no luck yet.

[pomps]

Spoiler for end point:

The episode ends where Ophelia start the hunt for Clare - with her wicked smile of course

[Tempest35]

Is it the draw of the Dark Side that makes people like Ophelia? I think that it is the same draw that pulled people to Nao Yuuki's side in Mai-HiME. Both of them went totally against conventions and the norms and they both liked inflicting pain on others for their own gain and sometimes even pleasure. Normally, this isn't grounds to worship at their feet, much less try to get along or even tolerate them.

I guess it is because we all know that us human types don't like doing anything without a reason, be it good or bad. Behavior like this often has a reason and I think that the draw is to find out just what that reason is. People want to know all that they can and this is no exception, especially with a mental case like Ophelia. The crazier they are, the more interesting they are. And coincedently, the more we feel for them, despite their own best efforts NOT to be pitied, or so they say. ^^

I'll pose another question but after I see where the episode ends. Don't want to spoil anyone...too much.
EDIT: Matte ku...THAT'S the end point? Thanks pomps. I'll wait until the subs come out for it then - it might help with the question I want to ask. ^^