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Justin_Brett · 2011-02-18, 17:50

That's kind of why I doubt these weapons will be in the story permanently. Improvements aren't going to help much if they can't actually hit the Huckebeins with them.

...actually, if they're trying to sell figs, why not just give new, anti-Eclipse modes onto the Devices they already had?

Kaijo · 2011-02-18, 18:07

Cartoons and animated serial shows have been used as marketing mechanisms to sell toys and merchandise for almost as long as they've been around. In a lot of respects, western companies are even worse at this.

Take an example: The He-Man remake that came out around 2000. It was a high quality show, good story, awesome voice acting... but like all its shows, Hasbro put pressure on the writers to keep adding new characters, or new power ups, even if said power up only lasted one episode. Why? So they could sell a new toy. In the end, Hasbro ended up shipping too many He-man and Skeletor toys and not enough of the others, so people weren't buying enough, and thus Hasbro axed the show(it was one with a higher than normal production value, and it showed).

They do the same with Transformers, GI Joe, etc. Show the kiddies the goods on screen, so they'll buy the merchandise.

I will say, that if putting in these AEC weapons brings in the money to keep it going, it's a sacrifice I am willing to make. Compared to a lot of other things, it could be much worse.

Justin_Brett · 2011-02-18, 18:09

I know. All I meant was that you could just add on to what you already have rather than introducing new things that change the point of your story.

DezoPenguin · 2011-02-19, 02:08

Except that...well, Nanoha doesn't market to kids (the way, say, Sailor Moon or PreCure do); it's merchandising market is otaku, who buy different things in different ways. I don't see Fortress Mode Nanoha being a big seller (I note, for example, that most of the character goods from the "4th Season" manga thus far have been for ViVid).

Akiyoshi · 2011-02-19, 02:11

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Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Except that...well, Nanoha doesn't market to kids (the way, say, Sailor Moon or PreCure do); it's merchandising market is otaku, who buy different things in different ways. I don't see Fortress Mode Nanoha being a big seller (I note, for example, that most of the character goods from the "4th Season" manga thus far have been for ViVid).

Still i bet that an Isis figure will be released(and probably an Arnage one too).

They also will appear(according to rumors) on Gears of Destiny(yay! i finally be able to exact revenge on Cypha with the entire Yagami Family xD).

Nanya01 · 2011-02-19, 02:11

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Originally Posted by itanshi1

its funny we complain their weapons are crap, then they are proven by the enemy they are crap....

Except, you know...

They actually work on the Hucks like they're supposed to.

Tiresias · 2011-02-19, 02:27

You can't just judge them by their effectiveness, you must also consider their efficiency.

The Strike Cannon's can damage the Hucks, yes, but it "doesn't have a generator converter (magic to power?) installed yet and they have unstable battery consumption and impractical size". That's non fan analysis, that's stated in-story.

The weapons can be improved, and my guess is they will (though I'm still hoping they will be extra modules for existing devices instead) but right now, they're merely usable but impractical.

Justin_Brett · 2011-02-19, 02:28

They should really be more defensively focused, is the problem. Only Fortress Mode and Subaru's new gauntlet can really do anything to shield you, and not nearly as well as a proper barrier. If they can turn magic into bullets, I don't see why they can't still do that.

Akiyoshi · 2011-02-19, 02:30

Yep, the key word is "efficency".

Yes, they can damage the Huckebein but no, they can't defeat them. Effective? maybe, efficient? not so much.

Iromaru · 2011-02-19, 03:59

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Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Except that...well, Nanoha doesn't market to kids (the way, say, Sailor Moon or PreCure do); it's merchandising market is otaku, who buy different things in different ways. I don't see Fortress Mode Nanoha being a big seller (I note, for example, that most of the character goods from the "4th Season" manga thus far have been for ViVid).

I completely agree.

Tsuzuki is trying to make Nanoha more appealing to different kinds of audience since StrikerS, but he's not doing it very well.

They tried to add more military stuff, mecha and "serious business" in general but they did it in very cliche and infantile way.

StrikerS related merchandise is selling far worse than A's. To the point they pretty much stopped making StrikerS merchandise at all. Probably same will happen to Force related merchandise. If they will even make any, which I honestly doubt after the poor sales and controversy within the fanbase.

Demi. · 2011-02-19, 04:13

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Originally Posted by Iromaru

StrikerS related merchandise is selling far worse than A's. To the point they pretty much stopped making StrikerS merchandise at all. Probably same will happen to Force related merchandise. If they will even make any, which I honestly doubt after the poor sales and controversy within the fanbase.

I believe they haven't made much StrikerS merch. lately because of the movie getting all the attention and merch/figures. Anyways, being as figures are character related, regardless which part of the Nanoha franchise they come from, they're going to be popular so long as its made decently, and of one of the popular characters. After all, they're not selling the series with the merchandise, they're selling the character which is on said merchandise.

The Alter Fate, Nanoha and Hayate from StrikerS are three of the most popular figures.

Akiyoshi · 2011-02-19, 04:19

that's why i think that Isis and Arnage will probably get their own figurines as they seem to be the most well liked characters from FORCE by far.

Iromaru · 2011-02-19, 04:58

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Originally Posted by Demi.

The Alter Fate, Nanoha and Hayate from StrikerS are three of the most popular figures.

I remember them being available for sale a long time, while lots of loli Nanoha related figs were sold out long before release.

But yes they obviously sold well. It's Alter after all.

itanshi1 · 2011-02-19, 05:04

i wonder if having a massive character roster could possibly compete with nostalgia for the first series, hmm

Demi. · 2011-02-19, 05:08

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Originally Posted by Iromaru

I remember them being available for sale a long time, while lots of loli Nanoha related figs were sold out long before release.

But yes they obviously sold well. It's Alter after all.

I'm not sure about Nanoha and Hayate but the StrikerS alter Fate was re-released two different times for a total of three releases.

Iromaru · 2011-02-19, 06:10

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Originally Posted by Demi.

I'm not sure about Nanoha and Hayate but the StrikerS alter Fate was re-released two different times for a total of three releases.

Well, it's Fate.

They could make a fig of her riding a pink elephant while dressed like Santa Claus and it would still sell like hotcakes.

Btw, the only NEXT design I really want to get a fig is her with Sith blade.

Except Stella, but that will never happen. And fitting a starship there would be kind of hard...

Keroko · 2011-02-19, 06:36

I'm with Iromaru here. Unlike western merchandise, which focuses on many different figures of many different characters even if their total screen time was maybe 3 seconds (ohai master Fisto, that two second smirk in Attack of the Clones really paid of huh?), the anime merchandise (particularly where the target audience is otaku) tends to focus on making several figures of the more popular characters. Sometimes even completely ignoring the rest.

Which is why Fate has the highest amount of figures of any character so far. Fate is the most popular character in Nanoha, therefore there are a lot of Fate fans, who are all reaching for their wallet the moment a new Fate figure is announced.

Demi. · 2011-02-19, 06:50

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Originally Posted by Iromaru

Well, it's Fate.

They could make a fig of her riding a pink elephant while dressed like Santa Claus and it would still sell like hotcakes.

Btw, the only NEXT design I really want to get a fig is her with Sith blade.

Except Stella, but that will never happen. And fitting a starship there would be kind of hard...

Well, that's really my point. It matters not what time frame (i.e series or manga) they come from, so long as it's a popular character, the figure will sell like hot cakes.

aers · 2011-02-19, 07:56

I'm still perplexed as to why people are convinced Force is selling poorly...

Nanya01 · 2011-02-19, 09:54

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Originally Posted by aers

I'm still perplexed as to why people are convinced Force is selling poorly...

It's not.

It's just what people say to justify why they don't like Force.

2011-02-19, 02:27	Link #487
Tiresias Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pekanbaru (UTC+07:00) Age: 37	You can't just judge them by their effectiveness, you must also consider their efficiency. The Strike Cannon's can damage the Hucks, yes, but it "doesn't have a generator converter (magic to power?) installed yet and they have unstable battery consumption and impractical size". That's non fan analysis, that's stated in-story. The weapons can be improved, and my guess is they will (though I'm still hoping they will be extra modules for existing devices instead) but right now, they're merely usable but impractical. __________________

2011-02-19, 02:30	Link #489
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Yep, the key word is "efficency". Yes, they can damage the Huckebein but no, they can't defeat them. Effective? maybe, efficient? not so much. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-02-19, 04:19	Link #492
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	that's why i think that Isis and Arnage will probably get their own figurines as they seem to be the most well liked characters from FORCE by far. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-02-19, 05:04	Link #494
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2011-02-19, 06:36	Link #497
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I'm with Iromaru here. Unlike western merchandise, which focuses on many different figures of many different characters even if their total screen time was maybe 3 seconds (ohai master Fisto, that two second smirk in Attack of the Clones really paid of huh?), the anime merchandise (particularly where the target audience is otaku) tends to focus on making several figures of the more popular characters. Sometimes even completely ignoring the rest. Which is why Fate has the highest amount of figures of any character so far. Fate is the most popular character in Nanoha, therefore there are a lot of Fate fans, who are all reaching for their wallet the moment a new Fate figure is announced. Last edited by Keroko; 2011-02-19 at 07:17.

2011-02-18, 17:50	Link #481
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	That's kind of why I doubt these weapons will be in the story permanently. Improvements aren't going to help much if they can't actually hit the Huckebeins with them. ...actually, if they're trying to sell figs, why not just give new, anti-Eclipse modes onto the Devices they already had?

2011-02-18, 18:07	Link #482
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	Cartoons and animated serial shows have been used as marketing mechanisms to sell toys and merchandise for almost as long as they've been around. In a lot of respects, western companies are even worse at this. Take an example: The He-Man remake that came out around 2000. It was a high quality show, good story, awesome voice acting... but like all its shows, Hasbro put pressure on the writers to keep adding new characters, or new power ups, even if said power up only lasted one episode. Why? So they could sell a new toy. In the end, Hasbro ended up shipping too many He-man and Skeletor toys and not enough of the others, so people weren't buying enough, and thus Hasbro axed the show(it was one with a higher than normal production value, and it showed). They do the same with Transformers, GI Joe, etc. Show the kiddies the goods on screen, so they'll buy the merchandise. I will say, that if putting in these AEC weapons brings in the money to keep it going, it's a sacrifice I am willing to make. Compared to a lot of other things, it could be much worse.

2011-02-18, 18:09	Link #483
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I know. All I meant was that you could just add on to what you already have rather than introducing new things that change the point of your story.

2011-02-19, 02:08	Link #484
DezoPenguin Beta by Accident Author Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maine Age: 52	Except that...well, Nanoha doesn't market to kids (the way, say, Sailor Moon or PreCure do); it's merchandising market is otaku, who buy different things in different ways. I don't see Fortress Mode Nanoha being a big seller (I note, for example, that most of the character goods from the "4th Season" manga thus far have been for ViVid).

2011-02-19, 02:28	Link #488
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	They should really be more defensively focused, is the problem. Only Fortress Mode and Subaru's new gauntlet can really do anything to shield you, and not nearly as well as a proper barrier. If they can turn magic into bullets, I don't see why they can't still do that.

2011-02-19, 07:56	Link #499
aers Senior Member Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2006	I'm still perplexed as to why people are convinced Force is selling poorly...