(CR) Cardfight!! Vanguard

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Darkman.exe213

Simply having multiple beatsticks. Bahr has already been in quite a few decks, simply because he's a strong attacker.

It looks to me like each clan only really has 1 or 2 "power attackers" with attack 1000 or so higher than the norm per grade.

For example, in the kagerou starter deck the grade zeros are 3-5K, the grade 1s are 6-8K, the grade 2s are 8-10K, and grade 3s 9-11K.

Lizard Runner Undeaux is the only grade 0 at 6K, Bahr is the only grade 1 at 8K, Nehalem is the only grade 2 at 10K, and Dragonic Overlord is the only grade 3 at 11K.

Since you can only have 4 of each card at a time in your deck, but the consequences for choosing NOT to ride to a higher grade if you could nearly disastrous, it would definitely be an advantage to have a deck full of cards which have the highest power for their grade.
To do that you'll probably need to mix up clans because 1 particular clan is only going to have 1 or 2 of these types per grade (or they might be extremely rare).

[roriconfan]

^ Mixing clans halves the use of triggers, as told in the latest episode. Which means that from 30% of getting a trigger at each draw, you now have 15% of getting a trigger that may work with your monster. Plus, half the triggers end up being useless when you get them so the chances become 7.5%

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

^ Mixing clans halves the use of triggers, as told in the latest episode. Which means that from 30% of getting a trigger at each draw, you now have 15% of getting a trigger that may work with your monster. Plus, half the triggers end up being useless when you get them so the chances become 7.5%

Well, I'm not saying it's a good idea or not. Just that that seems to be the sole reason to mix clans aside from combining abilities in novel ways (of which so far I don't see much use for).

So far the clan's abilities seem only to work right among themselves. Like, I would think you could combine the Nubatama's abilities to shrink your opponent's hand with one that has a lot of draw abilities for your own hand, but because of the rules for the Nubatama's abilities that wouldn't work (i.e. you have to shrink your own hand enough).

So far we haven't seen that many different styles, and without any real experience it's hard to judge, but it strikes me that in effect each clan will probably have a few clans they will dominate over, and a few that they will be weak against.

[LKK]

Because of the earthquake, Crunchyroll is placing all simulcasts from 3/11 to 3/13 on hold including CardFight Vanguard.

@ Quarkboy: Are you all right?

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by LKK

Because of the earthquake, Crunchyroll is placing all simulcasts from 3/11 to 3/13 on hold including CardFight Vanguard.

@ Quarkboy: Are you all right?

Yes, but somewhat shaken.

[LKK]

Spoiler for ep 10:

The ninja master is a very entertaining character. I've got to wonder about Misaki's observation skills. She said that she doesn't know if he comes to the shop outside of the tournaments because she's never seen his face. But, the ninja has a blond goatee. Doesn't that make him fairly recognizable? Ninja outfit or not? I suppose she could be assuming that the goatee is a fake meant to distract.

I have a question. Mr. Mark, I mean Ninja Master M, ends his sentences with "degozaru". I understand why it wasn't tranlated in this situation, but I'd like to know what does it translate to?

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by LKK

Spoiler for ep 10:

The ninja master is a very entertaining character. I've got to wonder about Misaki's observation skills. She said that she doesn't know if he comes to the shop outside of the tournaments because she's never seen his face. But, the ninja has a blond goatee. Doesn't that make him fairly recognizable? Ninja outfit or not? I suppose she could be assuming that the goatee is a fake meant to distract.

I have a question. Mr. Mark, I mean Ninja Master M, ends his sentences with "degozaru". I understand why it wasn't tranlated in this situation, but I'd like to know what does it translate to?

degozaru is the same as "desu" but the version that was spoken by samurai in the edo period.

It's the sentence ending copula and has no meaning by itself.

Please note that I simplified it slightly: Sometimes has says "gozarou" or some other slightly different grammatical conjugation, but in the english translation I just put "-degozaru" after everything to make it less confusing.
Originally I had a version which had him speaking in old fashioned english but it quickly became unworkable.

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

degozaru is the same as "desu" but the version that was spoken by samurai in the edo period.

It's the sentence ending copula and has no meaning by itself.

Please note that I simplified it slightly: Sometimes has says "gozarou" or some other slightly different grammatical conjugation, but in the english translation I just put "-degozaru" after everything to make it less confusing.
Originally I had a version which had him speaking in old fashioned english but it quickly became unworkable.

Thanks for the explanation. I was hoping you'd chime in with an answer.

[roriconfan]

Ι always translated -desu as "I say". Like kawai-desu means "it's cute, I say".
Gozaru is an extended "If I may say" and Degozaru an even more exteded "if may I say so".
There is also the -des variation which I just leave as "say".

In English, it would be something to make the dialogue more likable and even polite, like "It is indeed a nice day, if may I say so myself".

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Ι always translated -desu as "I say". Like kawai-desu means "it's cute, I say".
Gozaru is an extended "If I may say" and Degozaru an even more exteded "if may I say so".
There is also the -des variation which I just leave as "say".

In English, it would be something to make the dialogue more likable and even polite, like "It is indeed a nice day, if may I say so myself".

Well, that's one method, but just to be clear it doesn't _mean_ "if I may say", though it has a similar connotation when it comes to making the line seem polite. Also, I would say the "I say" idea works better for "-desu yo" than just "-desu".

I think, however, you are confusing gozaru with gozaimasu in the above. -degozaimasu is still proper modern Japanese and is used for keigo, respectful speach, as a humbliser to one's own sentence.

It's the "masu" conjugated form of gozaru, but gozaru by itself in its plain form is no longer used in modern Japanese aside from making one sound like they're "talking like a samurai".

Back in the Edo period, each of the different society classes would have different speech levels and "gozaru" was the one for the samurai caste.

[fAlcon-]

Am I the only one who thought there was something weird about Emi's seiyuu on ep 11?

[cohen]

Originally Posted by fAlcon-

Am I the only one who thought there was something weird about Emi's seiyuu on ep 11?

Since the earthquake, I stopped tracking this. Exactly what have I missed? Anything fantasy like as in with Yugioh Zexal? Or simple.

[LKK]

Originally Posted by fAlcon-

Am I the only one who thought there was something weird about Emi's seiyuu on ep 11?

I didn't notice anything. What I noticed more was the subtitles that weren't properly displayed at all times. (Or the subtitles could have been expressing curse words with typewriter symbols, but I kind of doubt it. )

[felix]

I wonder how much time before they make cardgames like this compatible with technologies like the ones in the 3DS. What I mean is the whole 3D and augmented reality technology.

[Matsura]

Card scanning and recognition technology already exists, with the in-production Duel Transer and the already existing Duel Terminals. 3D modeling is advanced enough that the card's visuals can be replicated believably, and the 3DS has proven that digital imaging and real-world feed can be interwoven in a practical fashion. The technology exists, but it simply hasn't come together yet. So yes, augmented reality is practical, and actually a much more viable option than volumetric displays.

I've been thinking about how the shop tournament would conclude, and while it seems impossible that they won't match Aichi against Kai, I'm still wondering how he's going to deal with Dragonic Overlord. The episode preview flashed Gancelot on screen, which surprised me considering how much they've been downplaying Gancelot in favor of Alfred. According to his effect text, Gancelot can be shuffled into the deck in order to bring Blaster Blade to the owner's hand from their deck, and as I recall, Aichi actually has two Gancelots in his deck. So he can shuffle Gancelot in to get Blaster Blade on the second turn, grade up into Gancelot on the third, attack to get back his other Gancelot through drive checks, place the second Gancelot in the rearguard, and put Alfred there with him.

Aichi should take damage by this time, so he could then attack with his rearguard Gancelot and Blaster Blade before counterblasting for +5000 power and +1 critical, call two Marrons to boost his vanguard Gancelot, and there would be no way for Kai to wear down a 30,000 power attack that early without having three Lizard Runner Undeux in his hand. With Gancelot's twin drive, Aichi could potentially get double criticals and deal 4 damage on turn 4. Kai could wipe out Aichi's whole rearguard with Dragonic Overlord and(against all odds) get his own double critical, but Aichi can call Isolde from his hand to completely nullify Overlord's first attack and prevent Kai from chaining in the first place. This all relies on a lot of lucky draws though, and this show on the whole doesn't like topdecking.

Taking into account Blaster Blade's ability to instantly remove a rearguard, and Isolde's instant-block, Aichi is running a control deck against someone who's main strategy is attacking more times per turn than the rules allow for. The problem with this is that Vanguard is a game primarily about jousting with the biggest lance, and when you only ever have 4 mana to work from it's kind of difficult to use that ability a lot. He would really need to start running more copies of BB and Gancelot to bring that strategy together.


With regards to Alfred, the first manga volume comes with an 'Early' version of him. This one doesn't have his crazy ability, but it also removes his handicap of not being allowed to be boosted, and keeps his 10,000 base power. Early Alfred can also call Blaster Blade from the deck to the rearguard when he's played as a vanguard, (disregard this, he calls Blaster Blade from the soul to the rearguard) and get a +6,000 boost from Lionmane Stallion. So logically, Early Alfred is actually better, as you can ride him as a vanguard and add Blaster Blade to the rear, call Lionmane Stallion and something like Marron from your hand, and immediately go up to 24,000 power from boosting. This is just from two cards, and there are still three spaces left in the rearguard to bring that up--even a Wingal could raise that very quickly to 30,000. The other Alfred is capped at 20,000 power, so really Aichi should be running the Early version instead.
(Actually, I'm not sure if Lionmane's effect boost stacks with its regular boost? Because if so, then that's +10,000 from a single unit!)

[felix]

There was this one time when Aichi was drawing cards, he drew this card, and by god it looked like it was drawn by a 5 year old. I LOL’ed.

@Matsura — a interesting card strategy I would like to hear is how Aichi could have say won or faired better in some of the battles he lost; knowing his hand and which cards he drew.

[ronelm2000]

Ep 13.

Spoiler:

Yes, Aichi loses. Yay?!

Also, lol lol lol Tantei Opera Milky Holmes Reference! ^_^

Can anyone post a pic now?

[Matsura]

Loving drat I was not expecting that end to the Shop Tournament.

Ep. 13 spoilers

Spoiler:

That was really sad. Losing does hurt. Back when the tournament was just starting I originally thought that Kamui and Misaki were the most likely candidates to fight Kai in the finals, but once it was Aichi vs Kamui I figured that they would show Aichi's growth by having him beat Kamui. The episode ending reminded me of W, ballpark and all, and I feel really bad for Aichi because he's the weakest of everyone entered in regionals and not really a tournament-play type.

If Aichi's going to beat Kamui in the future, he needs to increase his deck's speed. Kamui needs lots and lots of turns to soulcharge Invincible properly, and he needs a huge rearguard to do it with. Aichi would need to build up a fast deck that can take out those supporting cards and deal out 6 damage before Kamui can use Tornado Stand Galactica, because there's simply no way to guard twelve consecutive attacks without a draw-support deck like Misaki's. I don't think Vanguard has a maximum hand size, so Misaki might be able to take on Kamui simply by outlasting the usefulness of TSG, but Aichi certainly can't.

I did think up one way for Aichi to work around Kamui's soulcharging strategy. Kamui can only have 4 Rock the Walls in his deck at a time, and one other defense card; the strongest one Kamui currently has is Battleraizer at 10,000. That's a 50,000 defense wall, and half the cards Kamui needs for Tornado Stand Galactica. If Aichi were to initially play the Grade 3 Royal Paladin, Demon Killer Knight Lohengrin--riding up from Blaster Blade--and soulcharge three other Blaster Blades using Lohengrin's skill, he would gain 18,000 power with Lohengrin. A skilled player like Kamui would probably notice that he's soulcharging the same card over and over, and not block the attack in anticipation of something else. What Aichi wants to do then is wait until the next turn, and ride into Gancelot. Normally, Gancelot can counterblast when he has a Blaster Blade in his soul to gain +5000 power and +1 Critical. If I'm right about this effect stacking, then using the four Blaster Blades Aichi can counterblast up into 29,000 power and +4 Critical, then boost with low-grade cards like Marron and Stardust Trumpeter up to 49,000, after which he's one boost away from breaking Kamui's 50,000 barrier.

There are three problems with this strategy:
A.) I'm not sure if Gancelot's effect stacks that way. If it does, it may cost more to counterblast, so Aichi could only do it twice for +1000, +2 Critical.
B.) Kamui might block Lohengrin, especially if he remembers Gancelot's effect.
C.) This would take 5-6 turns to set up assuming that Aichi begins with four Blaster Blades, Lohengrin, Gancelot, and a Grade 0 and Grade 1 Vanguard in his hand. Which would be the word's luckiest redraw, as there's no way Aichi could ever draw this hand initially. Without that particular hand, it will take 6 turns plus whatever Aichi does until he draws all the necessarily cards, and this is already an extremely slow strategy.

Well, next time, PIRATES! I was wondering when they would show up.

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by felix

There was this one time when Aichi was drawing cards, he drew this card, and by god it looked like it was drawn by a 5 year old. I LOL’ed.

@Matsura — a interesting card strategy I would like to hear is how Aichi could have say won or faired better in some of the battles he lost; knowing his hand and which cards he drew.

That's actually the official card art for Wingal.

The one that was in the anime for Wingal earlier was just temporary. Seriously.

[roriconfan]

Once again, looks like Kamui lost in the pilot episode out of bad luck. But nice twist with the defeat once more; I really thought Aichi would be undefeatable here on.