Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Kha

@TK: Yes I'm complaining because I thought of them to be better and now I got to change things. But it's minimal; just shrunk TSAB area of control to match its power.

As expected you don't really seem to be getting the issue here at all and this isn't fixing the problem acutally it's probably just mangling canon even more as we see a world in the Manga numbered at 162... opps. The problem isn't the TSAB it's that your villains are overpowered and don't fit the setting THEY need to change, not the TSAB.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

As expected you don't really seem to be getting the issue here at all and this isn't fixing the problem acutally it's probably just mangling canon even more as we see a world in the Manga numbered at 162... opps. The problem isn't the TSAB it's that your villains are overpowered and don't fit the setting THEY need to change, not the TSAB.

Point taken. With minimal scaling, I can still have ordinary mages fighting epic enemies.

[FieryAeon]

Lich Queen!? Sheesh...looks like I have lots to catch up. Btw, is it just me or is mibbit down?

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by FieryAeon

Lich Queen!? Sheesh...looks like I have lots to catch up. Btw, is it just me or is mibbit down?

It shouldn't be down. I'm in it right now.

[FieryAeon]

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

It shouldn't be down. I'm in it right now.

I see. That means my network is blocking it now. Guess my boss caught me on irc one time too many. So you guys won't be seeing me that often anymore. *slinks back to work*

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Okay, time for Thanatos 3...

Spoiler for Abby:

Abbigail Granger





CALLSIGN: Wyatt Earp -or- Wyatt (Thanatos 3)
RANK Leiutenant
POSITION: Precision Marksman, ranged shooting specialist.
AGE: 24
MAGE CLASS: C


'Abby' grew up on a sparsely populated world a considerable distance from Mid-Childa. A world that for the most part, still Wild by modern terms. As such, from an early age, she learned how to use firearms. Often practicing with pistols and target shooting, even competing in target and speed shooting competitions. A bit of a tomboy, she would often adventure out into the woods and fields surrounding her home town with her favorite pistol strapped to her hip.
It became clear just how advanced her marksmanship skills were during Admiral Mishima's investigation into a Mass Weapons smuggling ring that had been illegially exporting arms off the planet. One of his investigative mages had become lost from the main search group in the forest near Abby's home, and had been attacked by one of the larger, magic sensitive animals that lived there. The Beaurau mage was saved by a precision hip shot from Abbigail's rated .45 calibur revolver to the creature's head, from a hundred meters away. Abby had never thought anything of the shot. Mishima was impressed. (Mishima is NEVER impressed.) He gave her the option to join the TSAB.
Being adventurous, she jumped at the offer to see new worlds, and was quickly sent to Mid-Childa for training.
During the qualifications and training to become a shooting mage, the full extent of her abilities were tested. Abby barely ranks C class in magical ability, barely enough power to create magic bullets, let alone fight as a combat mage... and to make matters more complicated, her trusty pistol was considered illegal in the TSAB. In order to compensate for this, Mishima had her pistol redesigned as a magical device, and subcontracted the Test Force to assist in a customized design for miniature magic cartridges that hold just enough power apiece to fire a single magic bullet. The concept was so identical to the mechanics Abbigail had been used to all her life that she made the switch in a single practice session, successfully scoring EXPERT rating in from the hip shooting rated for magic rifle users and qualifying with hip shots against sniper rated targets.

With the help of a customized quickloader, Abby is capable of firing six shots, reloading her cartridges, and unloading those following six downrange, accurately, in under three seconds, making her the fastest, and most accurate hip-shooter in the TSAB. It's a shame her custom mini-cartridges are more expensive than the generic ones. However, it has been arranged for her to have a more powerful shotgun styled device in the times when she needs more firepower, and that uses normal cartridges.

Abby is quite a sweet character, loving to talk to people, and an equal love of shooting, but she hates to fight. She'd rather have a fun target shooting competition than incapacitate people. However, when she decides to fight, even melee fighters have come to respect he inexorable skill with her revolver. She's also quite a well endowed individual, which helps to further disarm unsuspecting opponents.

Abby is number three of Thanatos Squadron of the Shock Enforcers, earning the position on raw skill over any magical talent.


DEVICES:

-THUNDER SIX-
Six Shot, cartridge powered revolver. Armed device. Takes custom made mini cartridges to produce magic bullets. A special quickloader was made just for it's use.

**RELOAD:

-FLANAGAN-
Shotgun styled shooting device, uses full sized cartridges.


ABILITIES:

SHOOTING:
Barely ranking any magical power, Abbigail has to rely almost exclusively on her own physical skill and outstanding accuracy. In fact, as mentioned, her devices require miniature cartridge shots just for the power to fire a single magic bullet, making an extended fight for her a potential logistics breakdown. Thankfully, her speed and accuracy in all aspects of shooting make even trained soldiers gawk. Hip shots are tough enough, as are hundred meter shots with pistols. But hip-shots at a hundred meters with a pistol are something few have ever been able to claim.

ACCURACY = -GODLIKE!-

About the only extra magical trick she really knows, is boosted jumping skills, which she abuses to no end with silly acrobatics displays.

I stripped Rushyuna of most of her more excessively crazy gun skills, and gave her a conventional quick reloading style instead of her 'BustLoader'. Essentially, all that's left is the crazy skilled marksmanship.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kha

The fact that he's borne by a cyborg mother. And the latest model of his Knight Armor is bonded to his bones.

Nanomachines then?

Originally Posted by Kha

That can play so many mind tricks while everything is keikakudoori, on top of being the single most powerful being in living and undead memory? You are not prepared...

But its awesome nonetheless. :3

Originally Posted by Kha

But isn't that a training unit? I thought Rogues digged killing more than that.

Not killing per se. But it is stated that SAFA are an elite unit that 'investigates new combat techniques and develops new equipment, as well as educate Armed Forces members'

I'm not sure, really. They're an elite unit, so you could theoretically say that they do combat missions from time to time (we know Nanoha did at any rate).

The main reason I'm concidering this is because it explains Keroko's sudden shift in career, I've always been slightly uncomfortable with having her going into the training division and then pulling her out again for my own cool idea of having her be a Squadron leader. Making Rogue Squadron a SAFA unit would mean that she didn't change careers, true I'll have to alter their battle-ridden past, but that's no problem for me.

Originally Posted by Kha

Think WoW Orcs. The ones with brains, familiar physiology, and speak of the Lok'Thar. But now in space. I prefer these Orcs to the Space Orks. And Thrall is awesome. FOR THE HORDE! :3

I see. The idea does have merrit. :3

Originally Posted by Kha

>.>

Kha summoned Alistina instead of Vivio I guess?

Alistina looks a tad different.

No, in this ending Keroko sacrificed herself to kill the big bad (whomever that may be) and in doing so ascends to the Throne of Heroes and disapears, becomming a Servant. Saber ending with a twist, so to say.

Originally Posted by Kha

But I was talking about changing the KhaxNanoha alternate ending for Fate that I created for Cente Gravia that has no equivalent in FSN. Have Keroko instead, or Kha winning both sisters. :3

Harem ending. :3

Originally Posted by Kha

The Power of Khrack Compels You.
The Power of Khrack Compels You.
The Power of Khrack Compels You.
The Power of Khrack Compels You.
The Power of Khrack Compels You.
The Power of Khrack Compels You.

Oh, trust me, Khrack is running rampant through my mind. From wacked out ideas like a prototype android (scrapped, of course) to a Sentoukijin, to Erio's sister, to a former trainer of the Aces in their early days, to another of Vivio's classmates, and even ideas like this:



This idea drops the high-defence train of thought of Alpha-Syn and goes for a more low-defence, high-speed version. I already have idea to why her hair is so short too, with a small wink to the anime.

Basically, I'm sifting through the Khrack in my brain and finding the right Khrack. The Khrack that makes everybody go 'hey, that actually looks good.'

So far the latest idea of combining Hikaru and Syn holds the most merit, not the least because I like both of them.

Originally Posted by Kha

Just a fun episode set in Cente Gravia.

Oooh, must read.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Okay, time for Thanatos 3...

Spoiler for Abby:

Abbigail Granger





CALLSIGN: Wyatt Earp -or- Wyatt (Thanatos 3)
RANK Leiutenant
POSITION: Precision Marksman, ranged shooting specialist.
AGE: 24
MAGE CLASS: C


'Abby' grew up on a sparsely populated world a considerable distance from Mid-Childa. A world that for the most part, still Wild by modern terms. As such, from an early age, she learned how to use firearms. Often practicing with pistols and target shooting, even competing in target and speed shooting competitions. A bit of a tomboy, she would often adventure out into the woods and fields surrounding her home town with her favorite pistol strapped to her hip.
It became clear just how advanced her marksmanship skills were during Admiral Mishima's investigation into a Mass Weapons smuggling ring that had been illegially exporting arms off the planet. One of his investigative mages had become lost from the main search group in the forest near Abby's home, and had been attacked by one of the larger, magic sensitive animals that lived there. The Beaurau mage was saved by a precision hip shot from Abbigail's rated .45 calibur revolver to the creature's head, from a hundred meters away. Abby had never thought anything of the shot. Mishima was impressed. (Mishima is NEVER impressed.) He gave her the option to join the TSAB.
Being adventurous, she jumped at the offer to see new worlds, and was quickly sent to Mid-Childa for training.
During the qualifications and training to become a shooting mage, the full extent of her abilities were tested. Abby barely ranks C class in magical ability, barely enough power to create magic bullets, let alone fight as a combat mage... and to make matters more complicated, her trusty pistol was considered illegal in the TSAB. In order to compensate for this, Mishima had her pistol redesigned as a magical device, and subcontracted the Test Force to assist in a customized design for miniature magic cartridges that hold just enough power apiece to fire a single magic bullet. The concept was so identical to the mechanics Abbigail had been used to all her life that she made the switch in a single practice session, successfully scoring EXPERT rating in from the hip shooting rated for magic rifle users and qualifying with hip shots against sniper rated targets.

With the help of a customized quickloader, Abby is capable of firing six shots, reloading her cartridges, and unloading those following six downrange, accurately, in under three seconds, making her the fastest, and most accurate hip-shooter in the TSAB. It's a shame her custom mini-cartridges are more expensive than the generic ones. However, it has been arranged for her to have a more powerful shotgun styled device in the times when she needs more firepower, and that uses normal cartridges.

Abby is quite a sweet character, loving to talk to people, and an equal love of shooting, but she hates to fight. She'd rather have a fun target shooting competition than incapacitate people. However, when she decides to fight, even melee fighters have come to respect he inexorable skill with her revolver. She's also quite a well endowed individual, which helps to further disarm unsuspecting opponents.

Abby is number three of Thanatos Squadron of the Shock Enforcers, earning the position on raw skill over any magical talent.


DEVICES:

-THUNDER SIX-
Six Shot, cartridge powered revolver. Armed device. Takes custom made mini cartridges to produce magic bullets. A special quickloader was made just for it's use.

**RELOAD:

-FLANAGAN-
Shotgun styled shooting device, uses full sized cartridges.


ABILITIES:

SHOOTING:
Barely ranking any magical power, Abbigail has to rely almost exclusively on her own physical skill and outstanding accuracy. In fact, as mentioned, her devices require miniature cartridge shots just for the power to fire a single magic bullet, making an extended fight for her a potential logistics breakdown. Thankfully, her speed and accuracy in all aspects of shooting make even trained soldiers gawk. Hip shots are tough enough, as are hundred meter shots with pistols. But hip-shots at a hundred meters with a pistol are something few have ever been able to claim.

ACCURACY = -GODLIKE!-

About the only extra magical trick she really knows, is boosted jumping skills, which she abuses to no end with silly acrobatics displays.

I stripped Rushyuna of most of her more excessively crazy gun skills, and gave her a conventional quick reloading style instead of her 'BustLoader'. Essentially, all that's left is the crazy skilled marksmanship.

Great profile, only two 'buts' from me.

First, Subaru and Ginga also use mini-cartridges, and Teana probably does as well, so we know they aren't exactly custom made. I'd say give her regular acces to them.

Second... now this is probably just me, but from the way I'm reading this it looks as if you're writing C-rank mages of as being virtually useless, barely able to create magical bullets.

It's probably just me, and you were really talking about Abby though.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Kha

I don't quite like the idea of sit-back-and-watch-them-overrun-you-before-intervening either. Knowing bureaucracy, chances are when the full scramble goes out, there'd be a chance that even the elites would be overwhelmed given their small numbers and the loss of the spam units. I learnt that the hard way in 40K, after playing my Commander agressively while the rest of the army lagged behind. Hotblooded yes, but sometimes Shas'O Ka died without doing significant damage.

Warhammer 40k is NOT THE WAY YOU DO THINGS IN REAL LIFE, PERIOD.

Elite heroes can't be everywhere at once. I curbed the Necron threat by severely limiting their numbers and forcing them via lore into a corner. Even then, they still put up an amazing fight.

The fact still remains that they don't fit the nanoverse at all.

If TSAB had more tanks, armor and support craft, and throw in a Comissar or two, maybe they'd have the firepower to backup all that Leadership 10 while waiting for the enemy to fail a test.

Unfortunately, with the revisions to the other races other than Spawn and Necron, Leadership is less of a problem to them, which means the TSAB isn't at much more of an advantage. And that's assuming their crappy strategy is just because of the defenders being messed around by the Brains, and only after the wannabe Aeolias got the bump were they able to scrape together something. If not, it shows that the TSAB doesn't even have Leadership 10... How much more gimped can they get in our abnormal multiverse?

Kha. TSAB is not 40k. Saint Church is not Inquisition. The Spawn can be defeated. How much more gimped can the TSAB get? I have you idea - you're intended on making it crippled vegetables.

EXCLUDING THE SPAWN, every single threat that the OFM has gone up against have been rogue TSAB mages, corrupt TSAB higher ups and black ops missions on NAWs. Think about that.

Scenes like grunts with an inspiring commander roaring his entire unit into a hotblooded charge, resulting in the company outspamming the opposition. Said CO is just shy of Nanoha's level, but he then makes it up with lots of GAR. A homage to the God of Gespenst.

All falls to pieces.

"Friends!" yelled Kha, his Marine Valkyrie firing wildly all over the place. "Hold fast! With courage! We shall overcome! By faith! We shall triumph! With LOVE! We shall-"

clickwhirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Kha's face paled as his gunpod ran out of ammo yet again... as Miriya Parino's Qaedeluun-Rau team unleashed their missiles on him and the Navy Valkyries with him. He went into a series of wild evasive manuvers, desperately praying that he could survive and return to Anita.

When the explosions subsided, Kha was the only UN pilot still alive.

Depends on the laser turret density.

Though I must admit, even with their combined firepower, that rarely penetrates the high Invulnerable Saves of elite villains, and I'm not even talking about those who Feel No Pain on top of that...

And I'm weighing the political risk of the unit going on a rampage VS the unit being unable to cope with the power level of the threat. Not like the US is worried of her Marines turning on her, despite Bush's stupidity, doesn't it?

Actually Kha there have been concerns raised before about the possibility f a military coup in the US of A. The only reason why the Marines don't consider the idea of turning on America is because Boot Camp is really 90 day indoctrination into the whole mindset and ethos of being a Marine, including Defend America.

Also, the Military follows the orders of the President of the United States of America. Said orders may be stupid, but if they are lawfully given by the president the military will obey. If Obama or Hillary became president and said "Alright leave iraq and let it burn" the Military would obey. If McCain became President and said Stay, the Military would stay.

Besides, Kha, your analogy is wrong. You're thinking of an entire service going rogue. What the Bureau people are more worried about is their versions of SEALs or Delta Force or Rangers or Green Berets going rogue.

Hmm... Damn.

You never played SRW, did you?

Ja I somehow missed it while reading... ><

[Gauron]Baka.[/Gauron]

That's only because I haven't bothered to give that Khrack first pass metabolism into something more reasonable, which you have definitely done.

No it's just that I tend to be a lot more reasonable when I write this shit; I got out of the whole powerwanking you indulge in a long time ago. Unlike you, I tend to look at the universe I want to play in and then adjust appropriately. Which was why I disagreed with the Libranicus. There is no fucking reason for the Libranicus to exist. The Library Task Force was formed to defend libraries.

I first learnt its name, now I learn how to spell. Like I said, I'm no mil-otaku, or I wouldn't be rebelling. :3

Indeed. That's why by the time the OC Macross Project is finished, you'll STILL be stuck with standard colors. *evil smirk*

*prays for Wild Goose's soul now that he has cast it into the open.*

You're just jealous.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Meh I prefer the Colonization era myself more hooks and areas for OC adventuring, I acutally have OCs in that era already and OC ships (and thousands and thousands of words of fluff)! I think the 35th Galaxy Deep Patrol Fleet and the 7th Special Operations Group of VF-17s, 22s, 19s, 11s, and VAB-2s might be slightly out of place in 2009 though…

That said this gives me and idea... Macross OC thread?! Spread teh madness for the lulz!

Well yeah, the Colonization Era does have more hooks and mecha to play with, but I haven't seen 7 in its entirity and quite frankly I'm not sure I want to try and rebuilt it. :P So we go with Macross instead.

...Macross OC thread??! Spreading madness for the lulz?

YES! WE! CAN!

But lemme finish this first. (Incidentally, Heavy Hitters is a tentative name for TK's squadron. And no idea of TK's charecter name yet.)

Anyway, a couple of retcons:

Standard Colors: All Marine Valks use the standard colors of solid gray, in contrast to the Navy's preferred white. Each squadron will have slight modifications to the colors as squadron colors - Storm Raiders, for instance, uses solid gray and black trim as their unit colors, with Major Schattenmann's Storm 1 featuring additional silver trim as his command colors.

Valks: Slight Retcon. The basic VF-1M now has the J's head instead of S, while the VF-1N is now the J's body with the S head and sensors. It occured to me at work that it made NO FUCKING SENSE to give the Marine Grunts the sensor and commo gear from the CAG Valk and letting the Marine Flight Leads use the basic Command Valk setup.

[Comartemis]

Warhammer 40k is NOT THE WAY YOU DO THINGS IN REAL LIFE, DUMBASS.

Goose, shut up before you set off the flame detectors again. Is it really so impossible for you to speak civilly in here?

[Wild Goose]

I'm getting tired of how gay he is for 40k and how he just throws things in wily-nily without bothering to try and make them fit in the Nanoverse. I fucking NERFED Chief! MASTER CHIEF! NERFED! So that he would FIT!

That and at times he has no commonsense and doesn't seem to grasp that this is NOT 40k, this is Nanoha.

Then again, I'm reminded of the words of a Taiwanese legislator who succintly described Singaporean Chinese as "idiots."

[Comartemis]

Kha brings out the worse in me. And frankly I'm getting tired of how gay he is for 40k and how he just throws things in wily-nily without bothering to try and make them fit in the Nanoverse. I fucking NERFED Chief! MASTER CHIEF! NERFED! So that he would FIT!

Then again, I'm reminded of the words of a Taiwanese legislator who succintly described Singaporean Chinese as "idiots."

Big fucking deal. Do you have any idea how long I've wanted to flame TK and tell him to get a serious attitude adjustment/get that stick out of his ass? A pretty goddamn long time, but do you see me flying off the handle and cussing him out every time he rips a hole in someone's character design or starts spouting miltech shit?

No, I didn't think so.

[Wild Goose]

Fine, post edited to get my point across and remove the word "Dumbass".

Y'know, you're also a bit too sensitive on perceived flaming. Just that one line and you call it a flame? I bolded, caps and italicised it to make a point. If I were serious about flaming Kha, I wouldn't have stopped there.

And go ahead and flame TK if you want, nobody's stopping you. He'll just flame back.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Big fucking deal. Do you have any idea how long I've wanted to flame TK and tell him to get a serious attitude adjustment/get that stick out of his ass?

Do it in IRC. I never has probs with tk and Goose, and sort of understand their stands and why they are so vocal about it.

[Comartemis]

Y'know you're also a bit too sensitive on perceived flaming. Just that one line and you call it a flame? I bolded, caps and italicised it to make a point.

In case you haven't noticed, we're walking something of a tightrope as far as flames are concerned at the moment. I've no reason to believe that Aaron won't get this thread closed down if things get out of hand again, so you'll have to excuse me if my tolerance for rudeness takes a severe hit for the next month or so.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nanomachines then?

Problem is, I don't know whether that's illegal...

...then again, you can't blame a guy who's born with them.

Originally Posted by Keroko

But its awesome nonetheless. :3

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not killing per se. But it is stated that they are an elite unit that 'investigates new combat techniques and develops new equipment, as well as educate Armed Forces members'

I'm not sure, really. They're an elite unit, so you coud theoretically say that they do combat missions from time to time (we know Nanoha did at any rate).

The main reason I'm concidering this is because it explains Keroko's sudden shift in career, I've always been slightly uncomfortable with having her going into the training division and then pulling her out again for my own cool idea of having her be a Squadron leader. Making Rogue Squadron a SAFA unit would mean that she didn't change careers, true I'll have to alter their battle-ridden past, but that's no problem for me.

How about a role like the Jedi, trainers that fight sometimes?

Originally Posted by Keroko

I see. The idea does have merrit. :3

Now to find an appropiate mode of exit.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Alistina looks a tad different.

No, in this ending Keroko sacrificed herself to kill the big bad (whomever that may be) and in doing so ascends to the Throne of Heroes and disapears, becomming a Servant. Saber ending with a twist, so to say.

Ah sou... I can't imagine how Nanoha's gonna take this though...

Originally Posted by Keroko

Harem ending. :3

He said it, not me.

So, for my reply: YES, MY LORDO!

*runs*

Originally Posted by Keroko

Oh, trust me, Khrack is running rampant through my mind. From wacked out ideas like a prototype android (scrapped, of course) to a Sentoukijin, to Erio's sister, to a former trainer of the Aces in their early days, to another of Vivio's classmates, and even ideas like this:



This idea drops the high-defence train of thought of Alpha-Syn and goes for a more low-defence, high-speed version. I already have idea to why her hair is so short too, with a small wink to the anime.

Basically, I'm sifting through the Khrack in my brain and finding the right Khrack. The Khrack that makes everybody go 'hey, that actually looks good.'

So far the latest idea of combining Hikaru and Syn holds the most merit, not the least because I like both of them.

Syn with a hyper-fast combat mode. Computes. Just need to give Hikaru more assets though.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Oooh, must read.

If I get there that is.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Warhammer 40k is NOT THE WAY YOU DO THINGS IN REAL LIFE, DUMBASS.

I am not a mil-otaku, and I've rarely bothered to ask, so what can you expect?

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

The fact still remains that they don't fit the nanoverse at all.

But they were there, and centerpiece to canon timeline of the OC. Removing them will result in the removal of Kaylin, Glock and several of Lowe's first OCs. I know cos I tried moving them into an earlier arc but even that caused problems.

There are here to stay, just need to "balance the points", such that 1500 of TSAB can take on 1500 of Necrons and win via the usual ways.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Kha. TSAB is not 40k. Saint Church is not Inquisition. The Spawn can be defeated. How much more gimped can the TSAB get? I have you idea - you're intended on making it crippled vegetables.

EXCLUDING THE SPAWN, every single threat that the OFM has gone up against have been rogue TSAB mages, corrupt TSAB higher ups and black ops missions on NAWs. Think about that.

And historically, most of Kha's Knights have been battling everything else, from heretics to aliens to daemons. My point is that fanon does not serve the point at hand because it is colored by wherever you are coming from. :/

Anyway, like I said, Tk has already fixed my initial claims; I still wish to use creative licence to make foreign races work, and balance will be used, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

In game terms, if it's powerful, there's only a few that you have.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

"Friends!" yelled Kha, his Marine Valkyrie firing wildly all over the place. "Hold fast! With courage! We shall overcome! By faith! We shall triumph! With LOVE! We shall-"

clickwhirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Kha's face paled as his gunpod ran out of ammo yet again... as Miriya Parino's Qaedeluun-Rau team unleashed their missiles on him and the Navy Valkyries with him. He went into a series of wild evasive manuvers, desperately praying that he could survive and return to Anita.

When the explosions subsided, Kha was the only UN pilot still alive.

I LOL'd. Yes Patrickism works.

(Ignoring that fact that when one reads deeper he would know of Goose's true purpose in doing that. )

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Actually Kha there have been concerns raised before about the possibility f a military coup in the US of A. The only reason why the Marines don't consider the idea of turning on America is because Boot Camp is really 90 day indoctrination into the whole mindset and ethos of being a Marine, including Defend America.

Also, the Military follows the orders of the President of the United States of America. Said orders may be stupid, but if they are lawfully given by the president the military will obey. If Obama or Hillary became president and said "Alright leave iraq and let it burn" the Military would obey. If McCain became President and said Stay, the Military would stay.

Besides, Kha, your analogy is wrong. You're thinking of an entire service going rogue. What the Bureau people are more worried about is their versions of SEALs or Delta Force or Rangers or Green Berets going rogue.

I see... Problem solved, and no further questions from my side of things. Just need to stop talking, start writing.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

You never played SRW, did you?

Course I didn't. No money to afford any of the consoles, and SRW Advance just didn't work on my R4. I watched Youtube and Wiki'd whatever I knew, and those 20 episodes of the tv series.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

[Gauron]Baka.[/Gauron]

Considering from whom I hear that word more, the effect was quite... amusing.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

No it's just that I tend to be a lot more reasonable when I write this shit; I got out of the whole powerwanking you indulge in a long time ago. Unlike you, I tend to look at the universe I want to play in and then adjust appropriately. Which was why I disagreed with the Libranicus. There is no fucking reason for the Libranicus to exist. The Library Task Force was formed to defend libraries.

My take on them is more fantasy based:

Spoiler for Khrack distilled... somewhat:

In the distant past, especially during the Age of Alhazred when they were organized, mage squads had personel designated to carry a multitude of spellbooks for the commander or the squad to cast larger and heftier ceremonial spells. They also served as scryers, communications, as well as walking search engines. Plunged into the frontlines, these academia of arms were trained in basic combat like the rest of the squad, and through their multi-faceted support gave their comrades a much needed boost in the days when magic and science were still young.

It was from the Astartes Libranicus that these Librarians were drawn from. Over time, devices and automatic tomes reduced the niche for these combat librarians, but they adapted, choosing to employ the new technology to enhance their roles. It is true this that they, like the Adepta Sororitas and the Order of Light, even outlived the nation that gave them their name.

Now, they go by various names and subunits that tend to the massive Infinite Library, a relic of their founding days. Librarians are still respected for their ability to draw knowledge from the endless depths of the facility, though none have as much talent as the Scrya known as Yuuno. Centuries have made the Librarians lax, and the Library was a total mess. Over the years of joining mainstream TSAB, Yuuno put in place sweeping changes to get the Library running smoothly again. And part of his strategy involved inspiring his colleagues, and to that end he managed to reinstate the brand name of Astartes Libranicus. A tactic we called Corporate Image.

Chrono suspected that someone high up the ranks was responsible for the infinite funding available to the Gadget forces to produce Numbers. However, to force the hands of said person, Chrono announced his bid to capture the Numbers and "hold them accountable". TSAB speak for "if not guilty, we shall use them ourselves". Since he reasoned that someone might be funding the Numbers to "make use of them for themselves", this would make the suspect move his pawns out in the open, and the Admiral hope that he would then catch him red-handed.

To make the bait more tempting, Chrono needed more to jump onto the bandwagon. Kha would gladly order his Knights to help out, but if the enemy truely was one of the higherups, then the Licht was squandering much needed political capital in making all those interventions. A sudden redeployment of the Cleric-Knights would raise alarm bells and hurt Belka's position to do things. Chrono worked out a plan, and convinced Yuuno to throw the Astartes into the fray.

It took some lobbying, but Chrono managed to deploy a small group of enforcers for the task, and brought the Astartes along to assist. Ever since their refounding, the Astartes were no longer attached to units, but worked in teams as they did inside the Library. However, Yuuno did not bring mere Librarians; with Kha's help, Yuuno assembled a team that consisted completely of Cleric-Knight Libranicus, of which 9 would eventually receive the "Einherjar" and fight alongside Yuuno and Arf against the AMF army.

It was a ruse to reinforce Chrono's hand with several Justicar and Terminator Knights.

This was the original Khrack behind the Libranicus we see in StrikerS; by no means these guys were bookworms forced to fight; they were combat-ready book-keeping knights drawn from their units from all over the Inner Space and posted to the Infinite Library in time to be cast as players in Yuuno's Eleven.

However, the political maneuveuring appeared somewhat unrealistic, and so I held back full details. Even at the above state, I don't think it's quite ready to be used as well. :/

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Indeed. That's why by the time the OC Macross Project is finished, you'll STILL be stuck with standard colors. *evil smirk*

That makes me unique too.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

You're just jealous.

Oh YOU'RE the one to talk, hmm? ^_^

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Kha

I am not a mil-otaku, and I've rarely bothered to ask, so what can you expect?

You're in the fuckin' Singaporean Army, ahou, you should know more.

But they were there, and centerpiece to canon timeline of the OC. Removing them will result in the removal of Kaylin, Glock and several of Lowe's first OCs. I know cos I tried moving them into an earlier arc but even that caused problems.

There are here to stay, just need to "balance the points", such that 1500 of TSAB can take on 1500 of Necrons and win via the usual ways.

Major nerfings are good. Very good. Nerf then port. That's how you do it! Say it with me! "Do the Urkle! Nerf then port! Do the Urkle!"

And historically, most of Kha's Knights have been battling everything else, from heretics to aliens to daemons. My point is that fanon does not serve the point at hand because it is colored by wherever you are coming from. :/

Anyway, like I said, Tk has already fixed my initial claims; I still wish to use creative licence to make foreign races work, and balance will be used, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

In game terms, if it's powerful, there's only a few that you have.

Fine I'll let it rest I want to write about valkyries not argue anyway.

I LOL'd. Yes Patrickism works.

(Ignoring that fact that when one reads deeper he would know of Goose's true purpose in doing that. )

True purpose? Why, whatever do you mean?

Course I didn't. No money to afford any of the consoles, and SRW Advance just didn't work on my R4. I watched Youtube and Wiki'd whatever I knew, and those 20 episodes of the tv series.

........

SRW OG1 and OG2 for GBA. Emulator. Roms online. Baaaaakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Considering from whom I hear that word more, the effect was quite... amusing.

At least you hear Baka and then die, and not "Baakaaaaaaa" and get bished endlessly. :P You can only die once, afterall.

That makes me unique too.

True.

Oh YOU'RE the one to talk, hmm? ^_^

Why not, hmmm? ^______________^

Originally Posted by Comartemis

In case you haven't noticed, we're walking something of a tightrope as far as flames are concerned at the moment. I've no reason to believe that Aaron won't get this thread closed down if things get out of hand again, so you'll have to excuse me if my tolerance for rudeness takes a severe hit for the next month or so.

*raised eyebrow* And you're not helping the tightrope much. Do as I say not do as I do? Whatever. If you want to fight more, do it in IRC.

[Kha]

So? I was in a military police ceremonial force. Not the best place to discover the works of the Armed Forces IMO. Already, my experience in NS was poles away from my friend who went to good ol' Infantry.

And R4 IS an emulator, for DSes so that I can DL roms and play. If that doesn't work, I don't bother. My com is for playing WoW. :3

Egads a smiling contest. Aaron would be proud. :3

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Kha

So? I was in a military police ceremonial force. Not the best place to discover the works of the Armed Forces IMO. Already, my experience in NS was poles away from my friend who went to good ol' Infantry.

And R4 IS an emulator, for DSes so that I can DL roms and play. If that doesn't work, I don't bother. My com is for playing WoW. :3

Egads a smiling contest. Aaron would be proud. :3

Lol no wonder. OG1 and OG2 are GBA. Baka. :3

Indeed Aaron would be proud.

HAYAURION FOR THE WIN!

:3

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kha

Problem is, I don't know whether that's illegal...

...then again, you can't blame a guy who's born with them.

See? The problem solves itself, if you know where to look. :3

Originally Posted by Kha

How about a role like the Jedi, trainers that fight sometimes?

I figured something like that, yes.

Originally Posted by Kha

Ah sou... I can't imagine how Nanoha's gonna take this though...

Quite a lot... Imagine the next grail war, Nanoha becomes a master for the sole purpose of summoning her sister.

Khrack spawned by Khrack. And delicious Khrack at that.

Originally Posted by Kha

He said it, not me.

So, for my reply: YES, MY LORDO!

*runs*

In my opinion every ren'ai game deserves a harem ending, unlocked after you finished all the characters routes.

Originally Posted by Kha

Syn with a hyper-fast combat mode. Computes. Just need to give Hikaru more assets though.

Or nerf Syn's. Boy is she going to hate me for that one...

Originally Posted by Kha

I am not a mil-otaku, and I've rarely bothered to ask, so what can you expect?

Something like this. I'm on that level as well.

That aside, hero pwnage does exist in 40K. Characters like Abandon aside, bringing in your Shas-o while your Fire Warriors keep them pinned and going in with Cycling Ion Blasters can tear them apart, after which your Fire Warriors start mopping up the remainders. Just remember to make sure you have Markerlight networks and watch as your Fire Warriors suddenly tear even the hardy Space Marines appart with BS 5 shots.

Originally Posted by Kha

But they were there, and centerpiece to canon timeline of the OC. Removing them will result in the removal of Kaylin, Glock and several of Lowe's first OCs. I know cos I tried moving them into an earlier arc but even that caused problems.

There are here to stay, just need to "balance the points", such that 1500 of TSAB can take on 1500 of Necrons and win via the usual ways.

Best way to do that is to nerf the Necron. Most of their awesomness is exagerated anyways. True, a Necron Lord does make a Necron Army vastly more dangerous (especially when propperly equiped), but you're already throwing in hero units then.

But really, not all Necron can pull themselves together in the middle of a battle. for one, another Necron unit needs to be close. Necron only repair on a roll of 4-6, giving them a 50% chance of recovery. On a roll of 1-3, the Necron is removed and doesn't get another chance. Also, a Necron destroyed in close combat by a weapon that does not allow an armor save (and I think a lot of magical weapons count as that) or a Necron destroyed by a weapon who's strength is twice the toughness (think Siege type attacks like Divine Buster, even one of Subaru's level and the like) do not get a chance to repair, unless with a ressurection orb.

You see? Necron aren't as nerf-worthy as they apear.

[Kha]

And I thought R4 was an Asian thing; didn't know you have no clue what it is. It's supposed to be backwards compatible, but there are games that just bug with it, and sadly SRW is one of them...

Now if you excuse, I have some crack to cook for my lecturers.