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Old 2015-09-03, 14:25   Link #621
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So far I'd say season 3 is doing a really good job. Not sure how I'd rank them, guess I'll have to see how this season finishes first.

Still, the music has been nice and I did like the new enemies added. Just felt like a convincing threat and one that has a lot of plans in motion. Carol is dangerous both in the weapons she can create and also in that her plans have controlled events pretty tightly so far.
Yea I hear ya.
I wait till this season ended and compare with the two.
Is it me or Carol reveal her plans too much.
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Old 2015-09-03, 15:52   Link #622
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I'm raging every week how terrible the episode was but that's just my tough love

Nonetheless what exactly is known about Carol's plans? There's the whole ley lines business that somehow feeds into the World Destructor device but neither we nor the cast know what exactly is happening. Furthermore Hibiki and co. aren't aware that the autoscorer's defeat is planned as well as Elfnine being planted on purpose.

Basically we know nothing
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Old 2015-09-03, 16:50   Link #623
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Somehow, to me, GX feels like we should only be about five or six episodes in, rather than nine, considering the progress we've made. Or not made. I don't know. Just comparing how this season feels dramatically to how the previous seasons felt, it feels like we should only be just a little bit past the beginning portion of the season heading into the middle.

I am also not fond of several pieces of characterization performed throughout this season, Hibiki's early behavior being only one example (although certainly the most extreme and out-of-character one). But most of the cast have at times in this season displayed behaviors that do not mesh with previous characterization, or at least were never shown to be any sort of issue before.

I just don't feel that this season is handling the girls as deftly as the previous two did. It feels at times like the characters are being forced to behave certain ways to match a prewritten story, rather than the story being written to fit the girls' characters.
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Old 2015-09-03, 17:19   Link #624
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I'm raging every week how terrible the episode was but that's just my tough love

Nonetheless what exactly is known about Carol's plans? There's the whole ley lines business that somehow feeds into the World Destructor device but neither we nor the cast know what exactly is happening. Furthermore Hibiki and co. aren't aware that the autoscorer's defeat is planned as well as Elfnine being planted on purpose.

Basically we know nothing
Tough love is still a good thing I think .

I agree that we have pieces of Carol's plans but not the whole picture. She plans on using the ley lines...somehow. The defeat of the Autoscorers is part of the plan...somehow. Beating down the Symphogear users and pushing them to use the Ignite Modules is also part of the plan...somehow . How all this ties together is the mystery. We don't even know and we've got the whole picture. The main cast is just left puzzled as to why the Autoscorers haven't ever been willing to finish them off.

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Somehow, to me, GX feels like we should only be about five or six episodes in, rather than nine, considering the progress we've made. Or not made. I don't know. Just comparing how this season feels dramatically to how the previous seasons felt, it feels like we should only be just a little bit past the beginning portion of the season heading into the middle.

I am also not fond of several pieces of characterization performed throughout this season, Hibiki's early behavior being only one example (although certainly the most extreme and out-of-character one). But most of the cast have at times in this season displayed behaviors that do not mesh with previous characterization, or at least were never shown to be any sort of issue before.

I just don't feel that this season is handling the girls as deftly as the previous two did. It feels at times like the characters are being forced to behave certain ways to match a prewritten story, rather than the story being written to fit the girls' characters.
I agree with Hibiki early on that it seemed really weirdly done. That just did not fit her character in my view. It was taking some part of her character (not loving fighting people) and then ramping it up to a level we've never seen, to the point where she didn't even recognize what she was using as a weapon. I guess someone realized after the fact that it was stupid and they quickly resolved and won't touch on that again . The issue with her father is fine and I'd have preferred if they just lead off with that rather than that weird "I shall not hurt people" thing.

As to the rest of the cast....I'm actually fine with what they've done so far. Maria is easily the example of the best they've done. Her issues were always there in the second season and this was a chance to fully deal with those. Tsubasa seemed ok since this was more a topic that was just never raised. Her past has always just been in terms of her friendship with Kanade and her family was never brought up. It does tie into her issues with her goals as a person and her self-image as a weapon/tool.

I actually liked the overall route with Kirika and Shirabe as well. In a sense both did pretty extreme things to try and protect those closest to them in the past and figuring out how to do things differently was a tricky thing for them. Both had moments to shine which I liked as well, a couple rescues being performed by that duo.

As to Chris? I don't know since we're getting her episode next week . I can buy the idea of her wanting to be this guiding figure after all the help others have been to her. Curious what she'll gain from whatever focus she'll get next week.

Pacing is an interesting issue. It hasn't bothered me, but I could see how it might feel like this is still only the half way point to others. Kind of just treated the cast getting beaten around by the Autoscorers as the first act, the bounce back with the Ignite Module being the second act, and we're moving closer to the third act once the last one falls and Carol kicks off her plan. At least to me it feels broken up better than last season.

Maybe I'm just enjoying the season too much and not seeing the weak points as well.
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Old 2015-09-04, 11:57   Link #625
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I wonder if Carol won't see something coming other than Dr. Ver.
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Old 2015-09-04, 13:00   Link #626
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Somehow, to me, GX feels like we should only be about five or six episodes in, rather than nine, considering the progress we've made. Or not made. I don't know. Just comparing how this season feels dramatically to how the previous seasons felt, it feels like we should only be just a little bit past the beginning portion of the season heading into the middle.

I am also not fond of several pieces of characterization performed throughout this season, Hibiki's early behavior being only one example (although certainly the most extreme and out-of-character one). But most of the cast have at times in this season displayed behaviors that do not mesh with previous characterization, or at least were never shown to be any sort of issue before.

I just don't feel that this season is handling the girls as deftly as the previous two did. It feels at times like the characters are being forced to behave certain ways to match a prewritten story, rather than the story being written to fit the girls' characters.
This so much.

Isn't even fun.
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Old 2015-09-04, 13:59   Link #627
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Now I just wish I knew what the hell they were saying...seems like a lot of important info got revealed in this episode to Maria and Tsubasa as well as to the guys on the bridge.
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Old 2015-09-04, 15:39   Link #628
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So they were talking a bit about "poison" that as planned from the beginning by Carol. We also seem some glimpses of her past with Elfnein. Kinda felt bad that she was being used tbh....but that's just how it is.

Chris' teamwork with Shirabe and Kirika was pretty exciting although I wasn't too impressed by the overall fight. Guess we'll be getting the final climatic battle soon though. I also wonder if Hibiki's father will play some kind of role?
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Old 2015-09-04, 16:00   Link #629
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I guess the hint at the end from episode 6 is canon.
Yare yare daze.xP

I guess Biki is going to talk to her douche dad before fighting again and...
That expression from Leiur's sister at the end was like saying...'DIE B****es!'
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Old 2015-09-04, 17:25   Link #630
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(I do hate when the browser crashes and the post is gone).

So simplifying it down for the second attempt. Not a bad episode. A lot of reveals played out as intended in this one. Elfnein being a plant that didn't know it and was being the eyes and ears of Carol this whole time. Actually did them a favor by being the cocky type that had to gloat about it. Genjuro isn't the type that will just cut someone off. Let Carol spy all she wants. Same to be said about the cursed melodies part. As expected Carol being taken down first was part of the plan and then the Autoscorers being taken out by those cursed songs. Everything played out as she wanted.

Was very much a Chris episode. Showed the strengths and the weaknesses of her character. Lost her head early on which certainly does happen. Got pissed off, things went bad, and blaming herself just made her more frustrated. Tried to go in the opposite direction in the second fight against Leiur and it was just a mess. Gun kata worked against Tsubasa, mostly since neither really had their heart in the fight. This wasn't that situation.

Will say it was kind of hilarious when she beat Leiur over the head with her sniper rifle . Needed a bit of a pickup by Kirika and Shirabe, and wow has Chris ever just replaced Maria in that trio. Now has her own little team .

In a sense Chris and Genjuro have the most healthy parental relationship despite not actually being related . You have Hibiki dodging the issue with her father. You have Tsubasa just...not actually pushing him to open up with her. Chris on the other hand just has a loud argument over the comms . That's how you deal with stuff, yell at each other.

Is kind of sad that Ver is the only one on the planet who can figure out Linker. The rest of the scientists in the world need a slap upside the head if none of them can't even figure out how to make more without that lunatic's help.
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Old 2015-09-04, 19:08   Link #631
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I glad Leiur didn't die in one episode. She is an interesting Autoscorer out of the rest.

Don't worry about the sub, it's detachable.
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Old 2015-09-04, 22:28   Link #632
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Hibiki feels so out of place. As a viewer I can't help but feel like not wanting to invest attention in her. It really is as if she's disconnected with the world around her.
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Old 2015-09-04, 22:53   Link #633
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A bit late to catch on that
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Old 2015-09-05, 06:54   Link #634
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Carol will probably get into a heated argument with Hibiki or Miku about their own views of the world in one of the next couple episodes.

Miku still hasn't done anything yet, but managed to convince Hibiki to talk to her dad again.
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Old 2015-09-05, 09:26   Link #635
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I hope Genjuro fights Lieur's sister next episode. He should do something other than just standing there and giving commands all the time.
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Old 2015-09-05, 13:56   Link #636
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I hope Genjuro fights Lieur's sister next episode. He should do something other than just standing there and giving commands all the time.
That would be the best episode ever . It's not the noise, so let him get some action! I frankly think he'd win.
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Old 2015-09-05, 17:36   Link #637
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Somehow, to me, GX feels like we should only be about five or six episodes in, rather than nine, considering the progress we've made. Or not made. I don't know. Just comparing how this season feels dramatically to how the previous seasons felt, it feels like we should only be just a little bit past the beginning portion of the season heading into the middle.

I am also not fond of several pieces of characterization performed throughout this season, Hibiki's early behavior being only one example (although certainly the most extreme and out-of-character one). But most of the cast have at times in this season displayed behaviors that do not mesh with previous characterization, or at least were never shown to be any sort of issue before.

I just don't feel that this season is handling the girls as deftly as the previous two did. It feels at times like the characters are being forced to behave certain ways to match a prewritten story, rather than the story being written to fit the girls' characters.
(emphasis added by me)

So very much this.

It really feels like this season was written about Carol, about memories, about her father issues and how it's shaped her goals of the world. Like...a few years ago, somebody wrote up this story idea about an alchemist who wanted to destroy the world, etc., and had this scheme whereby she'd suck the strength from the heroines to accomplish part of her goals and so on, and then they filed it away, and then when later someone decided to do a third season of Symphogear, they pulled that story idea out of the drawer and adapted it.

Chris, this episode, seemed to be channeling Hibiki's earlier "let's revisit all the character problems I got over in previous seasons!" issues with all her "I am and should be all alone! How could I think I can successfully connect with people!?" issues. They felt very fakey and tacked on to me. While Tsubasa and Maria's angst moments seemed to at least flow naturally from their characters, the need--which the writers seem incapable of realizing shouldn't be a need--for every girl to undergo a Big Angst Moment before using their power upgrade has sacrificed consistent characterization for the sake of checking off points on a list of magical-girl tropes. They'd have been better off listening to the lyrics of Chris's song and having at least one of them just go, "Imma power up now in order to open a can of whoop-ass on you" and leave it at that. Not every fight against a world-destroying madwoman requires some kind of personal epiphany.

GX has been at its best when it's been throwing outrageous fight scenes, ridiculous cliffhangers, and awesome music at us. The first six minutes of Episode 1 are still my favorite six minutes of this whole anime season--but it's falling down whenever it tries to introduce character drama, especially in comparison to Season 1 (I can't speak to G, having never seen it), when it was all over-the-top and hammy but also felt consistently sincere. My fear is that the final confrontation of the season will feel weak if they try to shoehorn a lot of meaning and emotion into it when the foundation for that has been so forced and artificial.

(For example, I'm going to predict right now that Hibiki's confrontation with her father, regardless of whether or not that gets interrupted by alchemical enemy attack, will not end with Biki saying, "Look, Dad, I wish things could be different, but you're just a cowardly weasel who ran out on Mom and I when we needed you most, and you're still acting like that now. I'm not going to waste my time hating you, but I don't want you in my life because this is just too broken to fix." Instead, I'm 98% sure that what we'll get is a big spiel about love and forgiveness and it never being too late to make up for one's mistakes and that's probably going to be applied to Carol as well and probably a very obvious parallel drawn, regardless of which gets resolved in-story first.)
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So very much this.

It really feels like this season was written about Carol, about memories, about her father issues and how it's shaped her goals of the world. Like...a few years ago, somebody wrote up this story idea about an alchemist who wanted to destroy the world, etc., and had this scheme whereby she'd suck the strength from the heroines to accomplish part of her goals and so on, and then they filed it away, and then when later someone decided to do a third season of Symphogear, they pulled that story idea out of the drawer and adapted it.

Chris, this episode, seemed to be channeling Hibiki's earlier "let's revisit all the character problems I got over in previous seasons!" issues with all her "I am and should be all alone! How could I think I can successfully connect with people!?" issues. They felt very fakey and tacked on to me. While Tsubasa and Maria's angst moments seemed to at least flow naturally from their characters, the need--which the writers seem incapable of realizing shouldn't be a need--for every girl to undergo a Big Angst Moment before using their power upgrade has sacrificed consistent characterization for the sake of checking off points on a list of magical-girl tropes. They'd have been better off listening to the lyrics of Chris's song and having at least one of them just go, "Imma power up now in order to open a can of whoop-ass on you" and leave it at that. Not every fight against a world-destroying madwoman requires some kind of personal epiphany.

GX has been at its best when it's been throwing outrageous fight scenes, ridiculous cliffhangers, and awesome music at us. The first six minutes of Episode 1 are still my favorite six minutes of this whole anime season--but it's falling down whenever it tries to introduce character drama, especially in comparison to Season 1 (I can't speak to G, having never seen it), when it was all over-the-top and hammy but also felt consistently sincere. My fear is that the final confrontation of the season will feel weak if they try to shoehorn a lot of meaning and emotion into it when the foundation for that has been so forced and artificial.

(For example, I'm going to predict right now that Hibiki's confrontation with her father, regardless of whether or not that gets interrupted by alchemical enemy attack, will not end with Biki saying, "Look, Dad, I wish things could be different, but you're just a cowardly weasel who ran out on Mom and I when we needed you most, and you're still acting like that now. I'm not going to waste my time hating you, but I don't want you in my life because this is just too broken to fix." Instead, I'm 98% sure that what we'll get is a big spiel about love and forgiveness and it never being too late to make up for one's mistakes and that's probably going to be applied to Carol as well and probably a very obvious parallel drawn, regardless of which gets resolved in-story first.)
While for some parts of the show I can agree, not so much for Chris in this case. It feels like some people think that once an issue has been examined in the past it can never again become an issue. People take steps forwards, backwards, and sideways as they go through life. We're talking about someone who had her family murdered as a kid, was basically kidnapped a few times after that and mostly grew up raised by an immortal maniac. That's not going to lead to great mental and emotional stability. When things go wrong Chris will blame herself and/or stumble because of it. Because she reaffirmed once that this is the place she belongs she'll never have doubts or worries again? I'd be shocked if someone who literally lost everything once wouldn't constantly have those kinds of insecurities throughout their life.

I thought out of the character issues for this season Chris was up there in terms of it making sense for her. Wanting to take a step forward in not just being comfortable in finding a place she belongs, but becoming like those who helped her along the way. But trying to hard at that mistakes are made and when things go wrong...she somewhat falls apart. I'd expect as Chris goes forwards she'll run into a few moments where she stumbles and needs those around her to support her. Chris runs both ways in terms of being extremely aggressive and practical about things, but also having some real emotional fragility.

At least in this episode the backslide had a trigger and I thought made sense.

Also I think your prediction is kind of a "well of course it will happen that way." You'd never get that kind of result in this kind of show where the main character just unilaterally cuts ties with their parent and gives up any idea of forgiveness or atonement. No matter how GX turned out, that kind of result would never happen. It'd be inconsistent with the previous seasons.
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Old 2015-09-05, 20:44   Link #639
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Is it just me but from Hikibi Father action dougebag action that he may have great hated to were the World and some people have thoery that Hikibi father action when they had their meaning, dougebag was because even Hikibi father think that it was pointless in trying to fix their relationship after his action, I myself was hopeing that Hikibi father once did try helping people in the past like Hibiki did now but through people he help betaryel him after everything that happen which Hibiki because it would made a better reason for Hibiki father to not care about people even children, an good example of this turning people into dougebag, you save the life of someone but that very person you save end up killing your family, this is a good way to turn someone who once help people into a complete dougebag, I myself believe this is what happen to Carol Father giving her a huge reason to hate the world and wish for it end and what I really wanted to see in this series is the full power of the Evil Sword and what is the point of showing us what the Full sword look like in the opening if it never show up in the series.

I think the biggest twist they could give this series is that Hibiki father did not run out on Hibiki because of not being about to handed the problem but because his own wife try to kill him after he lost his job after his boss fired him because his child dead at the place Hibiki was the only one left alive at and did it just because his child dead but Hibiki father child did not dead, maybe for Hibiki father life insurance money, that is a good way to made someone who was kind into becoming a compete dougebag who hate the world but I don't think Symphogear would go that dark.
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That was one crazy plan that Chris and the others did there
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