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Methuselah · 2011-02-04, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Tak

Despite my general dissatisfaction with how the movie handled some of the plot, the last scene did exact some tears out of me... *sniff*...

Not that I ship 00, but... Setsuna, you deserved it... you too Marina...

- Tak

I feel the same. Just that I felt very dissatisfied when there weren't any MarinaXSetsuna at all in the whole movie except for the Epilogue.

I think they should make a special edition with newer scenes and include the Manga ending with it.

wingdarkness · 2011-02-04, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Airborne Kiwi

The soundtrack was also amazing, especially the part where Graham did his part for mankind. Almost holy always get a tear in my eye when is see that. Or any other sacrifice for the greater good in most anime.

I tend to do this at times...After watching the Gundam OO movie I went back and watched a whole lot of episodes I enjoyed from the series, and one singular thing existed...My favorite parts of the show all involve Graham...My level of excitement and passion for the series always apexes when Graham is doing something of worth, but the problem (as I reflect further) is that his inability to directly influence and drive the plot (of either the movie or the TV series) always leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

I know that Graham was most likely created for fans like me that love having those romanticized characters in Gundam (Char, Treize Khushranada, Zechs, Gym Ghingham, Guin Lineford, etc.,), so I accept that he had basically a single arc involving only Setsuna...However I am sad, and his death in the movie saddened me further because he went out with almost the same level of detachment inwhich he existed in the series...

Being a Tomino fan, I can't get mad at the WTFness of him just dying like that, but for me, the soul of this incarnation of Gundam was carried by Graham, almost so much that you can slightly overlook the lack of true plot-moving power he had as a character...He was such a great archetype for the character of passion, I just regret he wasn't a bit more than an ultra-glorified bug for the Gundams to shoo...

kakakka · 2011-02-04, 20:32

I kinda remember that part in discussion before when I think I was against Graham Aker dying at the end of 00, for the hope of him making it big in the future.

Him dying in this movie kinda left me sad/disappointed in some ways. He died in such small time(?). But then again, his death was a bit of a spark, nonetheless, so I wasn't really down after all of it.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-02-04, 20:32

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Originally Posted by kakakka

If manga is not canon...

ELS 00 Raiser and ELS Gadelaza do not exist...

I REFUSE SUCH LOGIC!

kakakka · 2011-02-04, 20:33

As people said, we can believe in our own canon

Yesman · 2011-02-05, 01:48

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

I REFUSE SUCH LOGIC!

Well, even if the manga is non-canon(which it is, in my opinion.), It's not really hard to see that the ELS has the capability to copy any machine that it assimilates. It isn't impossible for the ELS to morph into the Gadelaza, and considering that ELS never did that in the movie, is probably some plot-induced stupidity or a problem with the movie's budget.

And I don't really like the 00A manga, to be honest, considering that instead of Setsuna owned the 3 GNX-IIIs in a Flag, he was piloting the 00 Gundam in the manga, which is much less impressive.

yusawateva · 2011-02-05, 01:57

im really interested about the aftermath, so what happened after the battle? how did the world government recognize celestial being? is the flower now a base or just used to attach the ship??

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-02-05, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Yesman

And I don't really like the 00A manga, to be honest, considering that instead of Setsuna owned the 3 GNX-IIIs in a Flag, he was piloting the 00 Gundam in the manga, which is much less impressive.

Shit, at least then the 00 Raiser actually took down some units. I would definitely replace that with the Celestial Being Flag.

RES-01 Perses Gundam · 2011-02-05, 08:21

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Originally Posted by yusawateva

im really interested about the aftermath, so what happened after the battle? how did the world government recognize celestial being? is the flower now a base or just used to attach the ship??

In a nutshell, the ELS made peace with ESF. Humans that got assimilated by the ELS but managed to survive became genuine Innovators, probably because the ELS strengthened their quantum brainwaves.

On the other hand, because of the disaster that assimilation unleashed, not withstanding the psychological trauma, some humans, termed "Old humans" and some supposedly pseudo Innovators initiated some conflict, which was probably resolved the way Setsuna did to the ELS.

I think the ESF would continue to pardon Celestial Being for their war crimes in season 1. They could even have attempted to rehabilitate its members, judging by how Sumeragi got her name unto an Innovator ship (which would also mean that Celestial Being made significant contributions in the eyes of the ESF).

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-02-05, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Yesman

And I don't really like the 00A manga, to be honest, considering that instead of Setsuna owned the 3 GNX-IIIs in a Flag, he was piloting the 00 Gundam in the manga, which is much less impressive.

Don't forget the 00 was running on condensers, not a Twin Drive...

Illsteir · 2011-02-06, 10:58

^- you can't hot link images from RandomC, Nos.
It turns out there's a trick to it

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-02-06, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Illsteir

^- you can't hot link images from RandomC, Nos.
It turns out there's a trick to it

Ah, didn't know that.

zeroexia · 2011-02-06, 21:28

Did they explain the wings on the 00Q at the end? I always thought it was the sword bits attached to the shield connected to the back but that's probably wrong.

ProjectNinety · 2011-02-07, 22:20

Just finished watching the movie. The movie was very well done. I just wish they would expand more on Saji and Louise. They were my favorite characters in the series. Just seems like characters people could relate to.

SonicSP · 2011-02-08, 17:34

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Originally Posted by zeroexia

Did they explain the wings on the 00Q at the end? I always thought it was the sword bits attached to the shield connected to the back but that's probably wrong.

No, not yet but since it's been modded while Set was away with the ELS, it's hard to say.

goodship01 · 2011-02-09, 03:27

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Originally Posted by Yesman

Well, even if the manga is non-canon(which it is, in my opinion.), It's not really hard to see that the ELS has the capability to copy any machine that it assimilates. It isn't impossible for the ELS to morph into the Gadelaza, and considering that ELS never did that in the movie, is probably some plot-induced stupidity or a problem with the movie's budget.

And I don't really like the 00A manga, to be honest, considering that instead of Setsuna owned the 3 GNX-IIIs in a Flag, he was piloting the 00 Gundam in the manga, which is much less impressive.

The reason why ELS dun want to copy the Gadelaza comes into two folds:

1. It requires a lot of ELS nails and bits to imitate the 300+ fangs that the Gadelaza has
2. There isn't a single ELS with a huge amount of "nerves" able to control those 300+ fangs (I.e. it wasn't able to control 300 fangs at the same time)

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-02-09, 04:55

That is pure speculation on your part. Their are ELS in the movie the same size as the Gadelaza. It would only take one to form an ELS variant.

goodship01 · 2011-02-09, 05:22

A lot of things to sum up....

1. Innovators

This is paying a homage tribute to what Zeon Zum Daikun's proposed The New Type Theory. This is what Newtype in UC should have been.

2. Battle scenes

Reducing the amount of battle time certainly disappoints a lot of gundam fans. But this movie is about understanding. It's not about wars. In my opinion, this is already the right balance.

3. Decartes

Descartes's appearance is a contrast to Setsuna. They can both feel the ELS's message. But instead of recognizing, he chose to ignore, destroy them. This is what Aeolia in the epilogue descirbes as "humans that mistakenly use their intelligence", and it eventually leads to his destruction (assimilation).

goodship01 · 2011-02-09, 05:25

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

That is pure speculation on your part. Their are ELS in the movie the same size as the Gadelaza. It would only take one to form an ELS variant.

Based on a few observations:

1. The ELS has the A-Laws Cruiser copied, why didn't it launches missiles? But instead all it did was using its beam cannon....
2. Each fang must be imitated by ELS to achieve the same result as the real one. Humans could rely on machine which is dead and no lifeform. ELS needs more than that.

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-02-09, 10:04

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Originally Posted by goodship01

The ELS has the A-Laws Cruiser copied, why didn't it launches missiles? But instead all it did was using its beam cannon....

Because the cruiser didn't have any left when it was assimilated?

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Each fang must be imitated by ELS to achieve the same result as the real one. Humans could rely on machine which is dead and no lifeform. ELS needs more than that.

They don't need to imitate the fangs. The Gadelaza already has the ridiculously powerful GN Blaster, and the four sub-arms. True, it's effectiveness is greatly reduced without the fangs, but they're not its only weapon like you seem to be suggesting.

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kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	I kinda remember that part in discussion before when I think I was against Graham Aker dying at the end of 00, for the hope of him making it big in the future. Him dying in this movie kinda left me sad/disappointed in some ways. He died in such small time(?). But then again, his death was a bit of a spark, nonetheless, so I wasn't really down after all of it.

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kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	As people said, we can believe in our own canon

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yusawateva Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	im really interested about the aftermath, so what happened after the battle? how did the world government recognize celestial being? is the flower now a base or just used to attach the ship??

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zeroexia he is a CHAR Join Date: Dec 2009	Did they explain the wings on the 00Q at the end? I always thought it was the sword bits attached to the shield connected to the back but that's probably wrong.

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GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	That is pure speculation on your part. Their are ELS in the movie the same size as the Gadelaza. It would only take one to form an ELS variant.

2011-02-09, 05:22	Link #938
goodship01 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	A lot of things to sum up.... 1. Innovators This is paying a homage tribute to what Zeon Zum Daikun's proposed The New Type Theory. This is what Newtype in UC should have been. 2. Battle scenes Reducing the amount of battle time certainly disappoints a lot of gundam fans. But this movie is about understanding. It's not about wars. In my opinion, this is already the right balance. 3. Decartes Descartes's appearance is a contrast to Setsuna. They can both feel the ELS's message. But instead of recognizing, he chose to ignore, destroy them. This is what Aeolia in the epilogue descirbes as "humans that mistakenly use their intelligence", and it eventually leads to his destruction (assimilation).