2007-02-24, 18:48 | Link #1202 |
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The TYPE-MOON world is so deep...
About the 1-hander/2-hander sword thing, theres no real 1-handers or 2-handers, if you can wield it with one-hand (even if it weighs 10 tons), its a one-hander, if you can't and you need two-hands its a two hander. See Berserker's sword, if you compare the size of the blade to the wielder, it should obviously be a so called two-hander but since Berserker is crazy strong, he swings it with one hand. Theres that plus the fact that Saber is a woman - weaker and well a sword hits harder if you swing it harder and you swing it harder with two hands. |
2007-02-24, 20:13 | Link #1203 |
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If what you say is correct, then caliburn is a four-handed sword...(I half want someone to scream 'yes' and agree with this statement actually...) A longsword is a two-handed sword, though it is always used in conjunction with a shield in duels during the middle ages.
In real life there are standards for different types of one-handed and two-handed sword...(e.g. a standard Claymore weights 2.5kg and 130cm). as for saber being weaker---she's a heroic spirit--spirit has no weight(at least I think? There's no information on weight in the character information so I assume so). Since excalibur is part of the heroic spirit it should be weightless... Girl power! Saber is not weaker at all...her strength is on par with beserker(Heaven's Feel route shows Saber fighting equally with Beserker) and even overwhelms Archer in the beginning of the story. She can swing her blade so fast and furious that Lancer is having difficulty keeping up with it. She is capable of breaking Shirou's bones with a toy sword(one of the bad ends in the game) Do I need so say more? I think in order to determine the nature of beserker's blade we have to decrease the size of beserker into that of an ordinary human, then we decrease the size of his blade with the same scale. Then we can determine the 'relative size' of beserker's blade. |
2007-02-26, 08:01 | Link #1204 | |
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That said, Excalibur and Caliburn don't seem like 2-handed greatswords, which are HUGE. They span the height of a modern adult man, and Saber is only 5'1". Excalibur seems to be a longsword, which can be used with 1 or 2 hands, depending on the wielder. According to wiki, the blade of a longsword is about over 3', which sounds about right if you look at pics of Saber with sword. Saber has to be weaker than an average knight, when she was alive. So she used 2 hands to compensate. That's how she learned to fight in life, that's how she'll fight in death. It doesn't matter how strong she became as a spirit. A shinai (bamboo sword) is relatively harmless when used in slashing motions, but it can break bones if used expertly in thrusts. That's how Saber broke Shirou's ribs in the anime. I don't see why it's a game-ender though... he heals quickly enough. Oh, as for where Saber puts her sword when not fighting... it seems Noble Phantasms exist in spirit form, and pops into the spirit's hands when he wills it. It's what confused me originally regarding Archer: he creates his weapons via tracing, not summoning a particular NP... I never caught on to that and therefore never had a clue who he really was. |
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2007-02-26, 14:39 | Link #1205 |
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I see. Thanks for the information ^^
Ya I think the reason Saber uses both hands when fighting was because of her habbit from the past too... Oh in the game when you go to the church for the first time and choose 'I am not going to participate in the Holy Grail War', you loose all your command mantras, and Saber saber will beat you to death with a shinai(the pictures shows lines of slashing motions, not trusting, by the way) I beated up a guy with a solid, wooden sword before, all I could manage is to cause bruises all over his body and not a single bone of his is broken... |
2007-02-26, 15:48 | Link #1206 |
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Hmm, sounds like a humorous "bad end." I don't see why Saber would get angry and beat Shirou (to death) just because he forfeited, since she can always go find another Master. In fact it'd be easier on her, to have a more professional Master.
And I really don't see why she would use a shinai for that task, except to accentuate the humor. So FSN isn't like those old Choose Your Own Adventure novels, where you have dozens of lengthy storylines? So you have 3 main branches, and the rest of the endings are just 1-paragraph (and often nonsensical/humorous) bad endings? I used to cut the tall reedy weeds in the garden with my bokken (wooden sword). I wanted to feel like a kenshi. It doesn't take a big swing; Jpnese swordplay is all in the wrists (at least that's how I liked it). I wanted to see how little I can move my wooden sword and still cut the reeds. |
2007-02-26, 17:36 | Link #1207 |
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Nope, the bad ends are still long as hell. For the Saber beat Shirou to death bad end it lasted around 10 pages as far as I remember. And it's not funny at all.
This game has 2 good ends, 3 true ends and over 40 bad ends. Some bad ends really make you want to cry, as well...Enjoy. I don't know much about visual novels. The only ones I have played so far are F/SN, tsukihime and Kanon. And they are all similar. The only thing is, the pictures in F/SN are moving and has much more energy(SFX, a lot, especially during battles) than the other 2 games. As mentioned by Myname, girls are usually weaker than guys. And I never received proper swordsmanship training. But still, cutting grass and breaking bones are two completely different task... |
2007-03-02, 12:44 | Link #1208 |
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Ive never really seen the bit about marble phantasm only being able to create effects that can actually occur. Hell in Tsukihime arcueid uses marble phantasm to create blades out of thin air. Blades suddenly appearing out of thin air have a 0% chance of occuring.
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2007-03-02, 20:33 | Link #1209 |
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If you want 'blades to suddenly appear out of thin air' as a result of magic, you will need true magic. However, if you want the effect of 'blades appear', then you can make it possible by either buying a load of them with money---if you can do it without miracle, you can do it with normal magic.
True that arc did not make blades in Tsukihime. Her claws are already more deadly than blades...she won't need any blades to begin with. But if marble phantasm can summon a whole town, then blades shouldn't be hard right? |
2007-03-24, 07:06 | Link #1216 |
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I got a very noob question to ask:
In game it stated that King Athur is a girl, and yet she was hiding it from everyone, except her step father and the magician. Some people doubt that if the king is a girl, but then they only want a king who can lead them, so they didn't really concern about it. my question is, how did she hide her identity while she only wear skirt? |
2007-03-29, 07:57 | Link #1218 |
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In addition, it isn't really that hard to disguise gender, as many people today demonstrate. And from my memories of Fate, there's some fun and wonderful mysticism bound up in drawing Caliburn that caused Arturia to be perceived as male, not female at all, possibly due to the whole "the king is a male" preconception.
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2007-03-30, 18:31 | Link #1219 |
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Stupid question of the day :
Does Issei have any importance in the other scenarios of the game ? I mean, out of all the characters with more than 20 seconds of screening time in the anime, he and Taiga are the only one powerless and totally meaningless plotwise. Taiga is obviously there for comedic purpose (and because there is no good harem without a mature woman, I guess), but what about Issei ? Most of his early apparitions were related to Shirou's trace abilities, so I thought he had figured out something. Then the action moved to the temple, so it became obvious to me he was involved, but nothing happened. Also, Rin said she had detected another magician in school, but if Shinji didn't qualify as the one because of his lack of abilities, it should be the same for Soichiro, right ? So who was the last one ? |
2007-03-30, 22:22 | Link #1220 |
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Taiga actually is actually slightly more significant in the game, as she knew Shirou's father (somewhat). Oh, and she gets involved in stuff as well.
Issei's most prominent role is in the UBW scenario. There's actually a very good reason he doesn't say anything. The only other active sorcerer in school is actually her sister, who I shall not name for spoiler purposes. |
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