Muv-Luv Franchise - Game & General Discussion

[wavehawk]

Originally Posted by Raviel

We'll be lucky to have ONLY the capital underwater

- Pare, half the Greater Manila Area is flooded at least twice a year, and that's not even including typhoons. Lagusnilad in front of City Hall ring a bell?

[Raviel]

Originally Posted by wavehawk

- Pare, half the Greater Manila Area is flooded at least twice a year, and that's not even including typhoons. Lagusnilad in front of City Hall ring a bell?

Sorry not really but my relatives live in Malabon so I still know what you mean.

The only way I think our country would survive post-Operation Babylon would be if our OFW population still exists in the ML world, the funny thing is, the ones in power are probably still going to be relatives of our politicians today.

[issuzark]

Originally Posted by Dragonkid11

Hell,I feels like we are going to be refugees in The Day After somewhere in Australia because our army got financially fucked.

But,I also have that feelings that the people will revolted if the government keeps being that shitty.

Why?Because Mecca,the holiest Islam place,got freaking eaten by BETA.
ANY MUSLIM would be extremely pissed(and that's still an understatement).

If Operation Babylon occurs, I'm gonna fight my way to Seattle man.
Heck yeah I would.
I'd even hijack or build a PAK-FA to get myself there.

[Reckoner]

So just finished playing the Muv-Luv trilogy...

Now I don't think it deserves nearly the acclaim it gets, but it was enjoyable and definitely at times "epic." However, there are definitely some clear problems that prevented me from absolutely loving this story.

Spoiler for Some complaints, spoilers:

Meiya is just flat out better than Sumika. Of course personal bias plays a major part here, but I think the story writing around Sumika in alternative is extremely weak. I think it was extremely unwise that Sumika is not present in Unlimited in any way, and is barely present for most of alternative (In the beta universe at least) as well. The reader is robbed of a vast amount of time in the story to formulate any good emotional connection to her. Regardless of which character I liked the most around Takeru, they all enjoyed far more screen time and investment than Sumika did. I suppose the flashbacks tried to circumvent this in some form, but it just isn't the same.

Furthermore, to me it makes it feel a bit too forced when suddenly so much of the story's attention is changed to Sumika being the key to humanity's salvation. To make it worse is that Sumika's character isn't really given further development and exploration comparable to any of the other characters around Takeru. It just feels way too disingenuous to me to make Sumika so important in the story given such circumstances. Had she been a more present force from the beginning, and given adequate amount of development, I would have been able to accept this much easier.

It just feels incredibly odd to me that characters like Meiya and Yuuko would give the way more interesting interactions with Takeru through the story, compelled him to grow the most in the story and for them to be pushed aside so deep into the story. She also had the least emotional death of anyone in Takeru's squad, which is pretty sad to me. Hayashe and Isumi had more emotional deaths miraculously.

Anyhow, at least for me I cannot see Sumika as the main heroine of MLA, she is not deserving of that role. This of course being aside from the fact that Meiya is just f*cking awesome.

Another complaint I have is that the parallel world business did not end up working too well into the story's favor. The beta universe is so interesting in its own right, I think it would have been better and more meaningful if Takeru was forced to stay in that universe for good, ALSO, without any time loops. Most of the story you're just left thinking, "well he could just do it all over again anyways" and that doesn't help the drama.

I'll have some more thoughts later anyways.

[issuzark]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

So just finished playing the Muv-Luv trilogy...



Another complaint I have is that the parallel world business did not end up working too well into the story's favor. The beta universe is so interesting in its own right, I think it would have been better and more meaningful if Takeru was forced to stay in that universe for good, ALSO, without any time loops. Most of the story you're just left thinking, "well he could just do it all over again anyways" and that doesn't help the drama

Bro have you been spoilered before reading?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

There's no way you can have that time loop thing before Yuuko explains it in Alternative.

[NoirX]

Originally Posted by issuzark

Bro have you been spoilered before reading?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

There's no way you can have that time loop thing before Yuuko explains it in Alternative.

Mind explaining the things in the spoiler tag?

[Wild Goose]

So, I finished Meiya's route in Extra, yesterday. After almost a year-odd of procastination and being tempted away by Mass Effect 3 and Far Cry 3 and Skyrim (FUS RO DAH! Steal everything!) I finally knuckled down to play Extra.

My stream of consciousness thoughts, which I jotted down as I played:

Spoiler for Goose's stream of consciousness while clearing Meiya:

Cleared Meiya's route today. My stream of consciousness thoughts below:

...okay, tbh I can't exactly fault Takeru for shipping Class Rep x Trollmine I'd be lying if I said I didn't have that delusion

Jesus H Christ that race was lol. As was the ending.

lol, so that means that you need to mimic - or copy pasta - a human brain in order to get a quantum computer. Hmmm.... where's Koko Hekmatyar when you need her. No, wait, nevermind; I shudder to think of what would happen if you mixed Koko with Yuuko. Koko Loco Yuuko Oh No.

"Her name is Koko she is Loco I said Oh No, Her name is Yuuko she is Loco I said Oh No!"

Oh god I can feel my head bursting from Yuuko sensei's lecture on causality Conductors. And I used to think I was a pretty smart person. Then again I studied law, history, literature and English, not physics. Well, be safe, Tsukiji-neko.

Things to be mindful of:

* Yuuko's lecture on building a quantum computer
* Tsukiji turning into a cat and a causality conductor
* Class rep and Trollmine's backstory
* The inspiration from gaming.

...Meiya, not that I don't like it, but please stop climbing into my bed. I want to climb into yours <.<

Jesus Christ Meiya, how much do you suck at cooking that you're making explosions?

Damnit, girls, it's not hard at all to learn to cook! Start by making
sandwiches, then move on to toast, then you learn to make rice and boil water, then you stir fry, then deep fry... seriously, Meiya, what the hell is wrong with you? All you need to do is make dinner. How hard can it be? [/clarkson]

I mean, seriously, you have to be some kind of extremely overly shel- Meiya, stop making that face of sad determination, it makes me want to give you a comforting hug.

...goddamnit Meiya, you make a face like that and I can't be angry at you.

Lawl Yuuko, you're using Gundam to give your physics questions lol.

Also everytime I see the words "Sono Chieri" my mind turns them into "RAWR DAT CHERRY" x_x

making the impossible possible is a tenet, not a tenant. A tenet is a core principle. A tenant is someone renting a house/room/flat from you. Aren't you Amaterasu Translations people American? How can you confuse tenet with tenant? English, Mike Foxtrots! Do you speak it?

(In before English can eat shit.)

...*swallows lump*

Oh, Meiya.There, there. Not the end of the world. We'll make dinner together next time. Promise.

...yknow, while I don't really like him, Bratty Saviour ain't half bad; at least in Extra. (BUT Y U NO HUG, BRATTY SAVIOUR?!) There, there, Meiya. Go and sleep and get those hands treated. If I were bratty saviour I'd be doing that myself - cold water, soap, maybe some ointment, and then bandage them up.

There, there, you did your best. Try again, Meiya. Akiramenaide. Never give up.

... JESUS CHRIST AGE, thanks for that mood whiplash, motherfuckers. Hawaii. Srsly?

I think I may need to change my mind. Sumika looks damn good in that black dress.

...jesus, Takeru, how sheltered are you? And even though I'm a commoner, i wouldn't go for that stuff! I'd like some roast lamb. Or a really nice steak. And potatoes. Vegetables... I'm imagining now a Japanese-Scottish chef named Gendo Ramsay looking at Takeru's request and going, "Right lads, let's give the customer the best fucking gyudon he'll ever taste in his life."

...oh lawl the physics exam requested us to destroy Sadogashima.

Birthdays. When was the last time I had a birthday do? Having the birthdays together? Calling it - childhood marriage promise, and the girl in the sandbox is Meiya, and Takeru has mis-remembered it.

Oh, Meiya. Your face is enough to weaken my heart. Best girl is best.

...they all got drunk. Shoulda expected it. Lol at Sumika and Meiya planning to strip.

Holy fucking shit, Tsukuyomi's wrath is enough to make Meiya sober up! O__O

Yuuko is so daring

...that's not Sumika that Takeru promised to marry, it was Meiya. Called it.

Carrying Meiya = dawwwwwwww. I can feel a hole in my teeth from all the sweetness. AND THAT IS OKAY.

...Sumika actually IS cute. Guess Aphrah had a point.

...loli meiya is just so adorable.

...what is this why do I have dust in my eyes at Sumika and Takeru's final parting.

Holy shit. Jesus H Christ Takahashi, what the hell is that limo made of?

Also that's a lotta hardware being thrown around...

...Consensual Sex in the Missionary position. Heh.

...Takeru, you have a day off with Meiya, and you're playing videogames.

Where the hell are your priorities? [/jk]

All in all, I had fun. XD Now to clear Sumika, Tama-chan, Class Rep, Trollmine, and Marimo-chan.

[issuzark]

Originally Posted by NoirX

Mind explaining the things in the spoiler tag?

Wouldn't want people who haven't read yet know about the time loop bit.
Which would affect the whole VN.

[NoirX]

Originally Posted by issuzark

Wouldn't want people who haven't read yet know about the time loop bit.
Which would affect the whole VN.

I'm quite amazed that alot of people here actually haven't played it yet. The games been out years ago and yet there's still alot of people who doesn't know the least bit of it

[Wild Goose]

I downloaded Extra in 2011 (I think, can't really remember if it was earlier), and spent much of 2011 putting off playing it, and only just knuckled down to play Meiya's route this week.

Besides, it's kinda a niche game.

[issuzark]

Originally Posted by NoirX

I'm quite amazed that alot of people here actually haven't played it yet. The games been out years ago and yet there's still alot of people who doesn't know the least bit of it

This franchise is not even anywhere near mainstream.
None of my friends heard about this before. How sad.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by issuzark

Bro have you been spoilered before reading?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

There's no way you can have that time loop thing before Yuuko explains it in Alternative.

No, but alternative is much longer than unlimited and extra, so most of the story you do know about the time loop.

[Netto Azure]

Originally Posted by wavehawk

So in the Muv-Luv universe, it is no exaggeration to say that the PAF would have just one or two barely working TSFs and basically fight the BETA with infantry small arms and light armored vehicles while the politicians keep guzzling their whiskey and keep wondering why the US forces don't just swoop in and save everybody--oh that's right. The Politicians will have already evacuated to America and left everyone else to fight off the BETA while they continue to make policy in Miami.

I would disagree with this quite a bit, the overall split in the timeline occurred around the 1960's (Although technically 1880's with the more peiceful Meiji Restoration) and around that time the US STILL had an active Naval base in the Philippines and was providing defensive capabilities. I would think that since the Beta Invasion occurred during the First Marcos term (when he was still not that power hungry) a much stronger defense could be mounted as the Philippines becomes an integral part of the Asian defense line.

[Wild Goose]

So you figure that Marcos may have not been so power hungry due to the needs of fighting the BETA.

Speculatively, would that mean that Marcos became a dictator to protect the Phillipines? <.< In this verse, at least.

Based on what I've read, it appears that while the Thais have mostly been NOMMED, the Malaysians and the Singaporeans are holding the southern Thailand bottleneck against the BETA (presumably with ANZAC assistance) while the US, Australian and Phillipine Navies are keeping the BETA from making a breakout from southern Vietnam.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Spoiler for Some complaints, spoilers:

Anyhow, at least for me I cannot see Sumika as the main heroine of MLA, she is not deserving of that role. This of course being aside from the fact that Meiya is just f*cking awesome.

Well, Meiya is pretty much the poster girl for the trilogy. And I know that many, many people would've preferred her as a the main heroine in Alternative (I personally didn't mind, as I love ditzy red heads).

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Spoiler:

...Sumika actually IS cute. Guess Aphrah had a point.

...what is this why do I have dust in my eyes at Sumika and Takeru's final parting.

Spoilers

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[Raviel]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

So you figure that Marcos may have not been so power hungry due to the needs of fighting the BETA.

Speculatively, would that mean that Marcos became a dictator to protect the Phillipines? <.< In this verse, at least.

Based on what I've read, it appears that while the Thais have mostly been NOMMED, the Malaysians and the Singaporeans are holding the southern Thailand bottleneck against the BETA (presumably with ANZAC assistance) while the US, Australian and Phillipine Navies are keeping the BETA from making a breakout from southern Vietnam.

Interesting little bit here, I keep forgetting the timeline of Alternative is different from ours, given the context, that would mean the AFP would actually be very well equipped and I would even go as far as saying Marcos would stay in power (using national defense as a platform to get re-elected).

With that in mind the Philippines could actually be a vital part of the SEA defense line by being a major staging ground for forces in the region, as well as a vital supply line (like what the Japanese did during WWII).

Also, I fully expect any Filipino TSF melee combat doctrines (if ever) to revolve around the wonderful art of TSF-scaled Kali/Arnis.

Finally a few questions for anyone who has played the games (I don't mind being spoiled)

Spoiler for spoilers for other people:

How and why are Sumika and the other people who are captured by the BETA.......stripped down to nothing more than brains?

Do the BETA do anything else to people they capture besides NOM them and leave their brains?

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Raviel

Spoiler for spoilers for other people:

How and why are Sumika and the other people who are captured by the BETA.......stripped down to nothing more than brains?

Do the BETA do anything else to people they capture besides NOM them and leave their brains?

Spoiler for VN:

Basically they are doing same thing we do, studying other race>
They are trying to find out if we really are alive + understand us >>> they are program not to attack living thing but from their point of view we are same as beta.

They don't thing of themselves as living being >>> from their point of view >> bio being = same as android

So after years of studying us >>> the most they can thing of us >> human same as virus = they can harm you but they are not really living being >>> till unit 00 come to picture and they become inserted in Takeru.

[Darthtabby]

Am I the only person who wonders if maybe how different countries would manage their fight against the BETA should be a separate topic?

[issuzark]

Originally Posted by Raviel

Spoiler for spoilers for other people:

How and why are Sumika and the other people who are captured by the BETA.......stripped down to nothing more than brains?

Do the BETA do anything else to people they capture besides NOM them and leave their brains?

Whoa whoa, if you can ask that, I bet you haven't read alternative. Now go and do so, before you get spoilered.

[wavehawk]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

the overall split in the timeline occurred around the 1960's

- Crud, forgot about that detail.

I still thinkt here would be widespread corruption going on, but considering the timeline, it would mean the PA/PAF would b getting at least a few more TSF than the real-world PAF has planes.

As to using Arnis, you'd have to consider the difference between melee halberd types. If PA/PAF TSFs would be using Arnis-like techniques, they'd probably adopt melee halberds like the Chinese TSFs (Straight), not like the Japanese ones---read the Muv-Luv Wiki for the details on different Melee Halberd types.

Something sort of like this. There's a particular blade I'm looking for, can't recall the name but it's similar a bit to this (The one I'm looking is a straight double-edged blade with an even two-pronged tip.)