Rebuild of Evangelion: Final Movie [Shin Evangelion Gekijouban:| |]

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh

It could be petty, too. I'm not happy that whatever kept Maaya Sakamoto from singing in-character as Shinobu or her other characters kept us from having potentially great songs of hers.

There might be more to it but as far as I've seen from interviews its basically that she wants to keep her seiyuu and singing careers separate. She actually started out in singing roles -- Escaflowne in particular.

[Alchemist007]

Independent from my take on 4.0, this is still worth watching:

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I think the message delivered is 10/10 at least. And people pay more attention to a big movie than him simply saying it.

[stray]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

I think the message delivered is 10/10 at least. And people pay more attention to a big movie than him simply saying it.

I don't get it... "anime was a mistake" and he's going to cash in as much as he can from Evangelion to 'save' anime? Somehow that feels like Nestle doing a clean water campaign or Amazon trying to do a worker rights campaign.

The only thing I really fault Evangelion for is cementing (violent) tsundere as default love interests.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by stray

I don't get it... "anime was a mistake" and he's going to cash in as much as he can from Evangelion to 'save' anime? Somehow that feels like Nestle doing a clean water campaign or Amazon trying to do a worker rights campaign.

The only thing I really fault Evangelion for is cementing (violent) tsundere as default love interests.

"Anime was a mistake" is more of a Miyazaki thing. Anno's thing is more "go outside instead of fapping to anime girls, you fucking losers".

[stray]

Originally Posted by Kanon

"Anime was a mistake" is more of a Miyazaki thing. Anno's thing is more "go outside instead of fapping to anime girls, you fucking losers".

You can get a posable life sized Ayanami Rei and do both... and help fund Anno's other projects! Only ￥1,980,000!

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ The hips are too wide. She looks fat compared to her anime counterpart .

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by stray

I don't get it... "anime was a mistake" and he's going to cash in as much as he can from Evangelion to 'save' anime? Somehow that feels like Nestle doing a clean water campaign or Amazon trying to do a worker rights campaign.

The only thing I really fault Evangelion for is cementing (violent) tsundere as default love interests.

Spoiler for Spoilers for Rebuild:

Ain't that right. Shinji has been shipped with Asuka and Rei constantly by fans. Asuka is possibly the worst choice for Shinji in the Rebuild movies. While she did start off have similar manners as her NGE counterpart, once the accident with Bardiel occurs and Shinji gets 14 years into the future. Asuka holds the contempt for Shinji for his inaction with the incident plus N3I. All she does is just lash out at him with every chance she gets for acting shortsighted about his current predicament in 3.0. Which continues straight on into 3.0. + 1.0.

The most apparent is

Spoiler for A certain scene in the movie.:

Asuka frustratingly force feeding Shinji food while lashing out his mistakes while he is still traumatized. While she's not wrong in some regards, she has no chill and restraint. And yes considering Shinji is a kid within, it takes time for him to come to terms with the events that unfolded and the role he played unknowingly in 2.0, and willingly without a clue to what his father planned in 3.0., along with the guilt he carried ever since he found out by Kaworu. Being fair, Asuka did rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I secretly enjoyed her getting owned in a certain scene at the near end of the movie, even after her backstory was revealed, which I would never take lightly.

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by stray

I don't get it... "anime was a mistake" and he's going to cash in as much as he can from Evangelion to 'save' anime? Somehow that feels like Nestle doing a clean water campaign or Amazon trying to do a worker rights campaign.

I can see how it can be seen as such. Is Anno to blame for merchandising the hell out of the property and subsequently making a quadrilogy that ends with the message it did? Will he stop merchandising now because of it?

Considering that he said he'll possibly let others make more Eva entries (assuming he means animated/drawn), I guess not.

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

I can see how it can be seen as such. Is Anno to blame for merchandising the hell out of the property and subsequently making a quadrilogy that ends with the message it did? Will he stop merchandising now because of it?

Why would he stop merchandising & getting money from royalty of his own IP? He has a company to maintain & employees to feed.

If anything, he can use the Eva money to create something new & fresh.

[Wheeljack83]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

I can see how it can be seen as such. Is Anno to blame for merchandising the hell out of the property and subsequently making a quadrilogy that ends with the message it did? Will he stop merchandising now because of it?

Considering that he said he'll possibly let others make more Eva entries (assuming he means animated/drawn), I guess not.

I mean...yes, yes he is. If Thrice Upon a Time is supposed to be some sort of troll on fans and otakus and otaku culture, then Anno is very bad at this trolling thing and railing against his fanbase.

I will say this much. After Shin Godzilla in 2016, Anno did formally apologize for the Evangelion delays at a press conference. I will give him props for that much.

Originally Posted by Kanon

"Anime was a mistake" is more of a Miyazaki thing. Anno's thing is more "go outside instead of fapping to anime girls, you fucking losers".

Yeah, go outside you fucking losers. In the meantime, I'm going to go inside to and rewrite the movie to put in more glasses girl fetishizing and moe Rei Ayanami. Yeah, I bet you losers will love that and choke on it you losers. There's no way you can merchandise this much moe Rei Ayanami and Glasses Girl! They are too moe and fetishized! it would cause global collapse!

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Why would he stop merchandising & getting money from royalty of his own IP?

It's just funny to think about after seeing 4.0.

Originally Posted by Wheeljack83

I mean...yes, yes he is. If Thrice Upon a Time is supposed to be some sort of troll on fans and otakus and otaku culture, then Anno is very bad at this trolling thing and railing against his fanbase.

From the polarizing reactions I've seen to 4.0, I'd say he's done a great job at it.

[stray]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Why would he stop merchandising & getting money from royalty of his own IP? He has a company to maintain & employees to feed.

If anything, he can use the Eva money to create something new & fresh.

But... Khara really has almost no other credits than the Rebuilds they've been milking for 13-14 years now. They aren't Trigger or something; they really haven't established an identity independent of Gainax. And I guess the Godzilla reboot was neat but the reality is Anno is kind of a one trick pony (on top of being a blatant sell out) at this point. The fact he wants to showcase independent animation is nice but doesn't change that.

For the record I don't dislike Anno. I'm just calling it as I see it.

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Originally Posted by stray

But... Khara really has almost no other credits than the Rebuilds they've been milking for 13-14 years now. They aren't Trigger or something; they really haven't established an identity independent of Gainax. And I guess the Godzilla reboot was neat but the reality is Anno is kind of a one trick pony (on top of being a blatant sell out) at this point. The fact he wants to showcase independent animation is nice but doesn't change that.

For the record I don't dislike Anno. I'm just calling it as I see it.

I mean, if we only talk about revenue, even if Khara only made 4 EVA movies, don't underestimate the royalty money that Anno will get from all the merchandising. Evangelion is a merchandise monster and Anno has acquired back the rights for EVA from Gainax. Now, he can just do nothing while getting a stream of merchandise money. For example, Bandai will keep pumping Anno up for all the kits & figures that they have made and will make from all the movies. And don't forget all the various product advertisement that use EVA characters.

From all that money, Anno's studio can make something new if he so desire.

[stray]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

From all that money, Anno's studio can make something new if he so desire.

...where are you're getting this idea the guy has the desire to do anything other than count his money and be a crotchety old man? Even the 'influencer' thing is a stretch considering the shorts collection ended in 2015. He's had his own studio 15 years and this is what he's got to show for it. A Gravity (Rush) Daze short and The Dragon Dentist.

Money doesn't equal motivation. And honestly you gotta wonder how much of Gainax success was really him.

[Kakkou]

Yes I'm sure Anno has anything else to do right now, not even the Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider movies which Khara are also involved in like with Shin Godzilla. Definitely has nothing else to do but sit on his bum and collect royalties. What a lazy old man.

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by stray

There might be more to it but as far as I've seen from interviews its basically that she wants to keep her seiyuu and singing careers separate. She actually started out in singing roles -- Escaflowne in particular.

Then why didn't Maaya Sakamoto just sing Shinobu's opening song under her own name? Wouldn't that have worked just fine? And why is it so important that she keep her seiyuu and singing careers separate?

[stray]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

Then why didn't Maaya Sakamoto just sing Shinobu's opening song under her own name? Wouldn't that have worked just fine? And why is it so important that she keep her seiyuu and singing careers separate?

Here's an interview where she addresses it somewhat. (TL not by me)

Sakamoto: I'm old-fashioned - I don't want my work as a voice actress to get mixed up with my singing.

—What exactly do you mean by that?

Sakamoto: To me, my job as a singer is not so much a job, as it is a way of expressing myself - which is why I should write my own lyrics and sing under my own name. That's why, as a rule, I don't sing character songs.

There could be other money or contract issues or maybe she got burned with Escaflowne or something but from what she says her reasons are straightforward.

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Yes I'm sure Anno has anything else to do right now, not even the Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider movies which Khara are also involved in like with Shin Godzilla.

First off I'm not sure if a universe exists where 60s and 70s IP like Ultraman and Kamen Rider qualify as "something new" in 2021. Secondly both of those projects are live action, so I'm not sure to what extent Khara is actually involved. Though its possible they're just going full on VFX at this point and dropping any pretense of being animators.

edit: Khara doesn't have any credits on Shin Godzilla, only Anno does.

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Originally Posted by stray

...where are you're getting this idea the guy has the desire to do anything other than count his money and be a crotchety old man? Even the 'influencer' thing is a stretch considering the shorts collection ended in 2015. He's had his own studio 15 years and this is what he's got to show for it. A Gravity (Rush) Daze short and The Dragon Dentist.

Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by stray

And honestly you gotta wonder how much of Gainax success was really him.

You kidding me? Look at his directing, scriptwriting, storyboarding & animating credits during his Gainax days and you're gonna tell me that it's all a lie and he didn't work his ass off for their success?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by stray

Here's an interview where she addresses it somewhat. (TL not by me)There could be other money or contract issues or maybe she got burned with Escaflowne or something but from what she says her reasons are straightforward.

Her answer actually makes sense. Or it would, if she had never sung a song she didn't write herself, and I doubt that's the case.

[stray]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

You kidding me? Look at his directing, scriptwriting, storyboarding & animating credits during his Gainax days and you're gonna tell me that it's all a lie and he didn't work his ass off for their success?

That was like... the 80s and 90s. At this point he's the "reboot" guy. Cutie Honey, Godzilla, Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and I guess just an influencer for Gridman, because god forbid he would work with an IP that came out after he graduated high school.

It would be nice to see him move past 1979 someday... there's some 80s series that could use a reboot, too.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Her answer actually makes sense. Or it would, if she had never sung a song she didn't write herself, and I doubt that's the case.

It does feel a bit disingenuous. Maybe its image, trying to portray herself as singer-songwriter more than popstar or idol. She was pretty much Yoko Kanno's proté​gé early in her career as well.

Side note but its nice to see Yoko Kanno come out from whatever rock she's been hiding under for Netflix Cowboy Bebop.