(L) Seirei Gensouki: Spirit Chronicles

[DragonOsman]

The authors who plan ahead do manage to make really good novels/manga. This series also seems to have been planned to some extent, since the author did lay the groundwork for the revelations regarding the rules and also the country Reiss is the pope at. The map showing the spot for the latter, for example.

There are also cases where an author who doesn't plan ahead tends to forget stuff if his/her series gets really long. Thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case with this author.

[hihoperorin]

Originally Posted by Lolilulz33

I don't think what the people in Haruto's mansion have done is wrong. It is up to Takahisa to change not to the others to do his work or to ease it in anyway. They have been quite kind to him to let him come in the house first place after all he has done.
For information I only read the mtl version which has some prounonn issues and sometimes it changes the meaning completely (But don't get me wrong, I am very grateful to have this early translation).
Back to Takahisa, the guy envisionned his wedding with Miharu before getting her forgiveness. He says he does not want to force her to come with him but he uses any means to achieve this goal including his siblings and Liliana to create some affectionary blackmail. Haruto's transcendance finally has little matter to him he just does not understand why he tried to kidnapp Miharu. Now he failed and he can only blame himself for that mistake (even though I found Satsuki quite harsh)
And with the utmost respect, when you are mentally unstable and have a divine arm of fire in a royal capital with a lot of people, I don't think escaping is the "best thing to do".

When I say their mistake I mean in handling the wild joker that is Takahisa, they ended up cornering him so much the rat ended up biting into his reality, now they have an escapee hero likely to go on a killing spree. Of course they're not wrong from a relationship perspective, I already said that man. How did they not make any mistake when their actions played a role in creating the current him. Do they owe Takahisa anything? No, did the end up making the current him? Yes. You're looking at it from a relationship perspective, I look at it from a Takahisa is a mental case perspective. He has enough power to commit a massacre that goes down in history + his mind was so unstable: this dude clearly needed urgent treatment from professional doctors, psychologists. Not for his sake but for the sake of not creating a tragedy that takes the lives of many.

You mock my opinion of saying he did well escaping and you may be right, but what's your metric for claiming an action good or not? I simply looked at the three different scenarios of him staying in Garlark, him returning to Cento alone and him escaping. We already saw what happens in the first: he turns into an ugly mess. The second doesn't seem that different to me. The third although seeming similar has the potential of him meeting something that changes him, his mindset will not change by staring at the castle walls.

[Lolilulz33]

Originally Posted by nekodamashii

You mock my opinion of saying he did well escaping and you may be right, but what's your metric for claiming an action good or not? I simply looked at the three different scenarios of him staying in Garlark, him returning to Cento alone and him escaping. We already saw what happens in the first: he turns into an ugly mess. The second doesn't seem that different to me. The third although seeming similar has the potential of him meeting something that changes him, his mindset will not change by staring at the castle walls.

First I am not mocking your opinion, just saying it is arguable. Second I don't think it is a question to "be good or not" in this kind of situation but more a question of being appropriate. Do you really think Takahisa escapes because it was the right thing to do ? No he did that because he flees his mental problem instead of solving them. Things don't go in his way plus Miharu not only rejects him clearly but hates him now for what he said to Liliana and what he did ? Staring at the castle walls will not change his mindset but I don't think wandering in a royal capital which he does not know with his grief and his divine arm will solve his mental issues.
The people in the house don't corner Takahisa at least not at the beginning, Satsuki even invites him for the dinner and she saw Takahisa becoming more impatient and restless. It is only after that she indeed takes drastic measures (maybe too pushy).
Let's keep in mind that Takahisa's behavior as it is now will serve the story later, probably for his awakening and the spirit inside his divine arm.

[hihoperorin]

Originally Posted by Lolilulz33

First I am not mocking your opinion, just saying it is arguable. Second I don't think it is a question to "be good or not" in this kind of situation but more a question of being appropriate. Do you really think Takahisa escapes because it was the right thing to do ? No he did that because he flees his mental problem instead of solving them. Things don't go in his way plus Miharu not only rejects him clearly but hates him now for what he said to Liliana and what he did ? Staring at the castle walls will not change his mindset but I don't think wandering in a royal capital which he does not know with his grief and his divine arm will solve his mental issues.
The people in the house don't corner Takahisa at least not at the beginning, Satsuki even invites him for the dinner and she saw Takahisa becoming more impatient and restless. It is only after that she indeed takes drastic measures (maybe too pushy).
Let's keep in mind that Takahisa's behavior as it is now will serve the story later, probably for his awakening and the spirit inside his divine arm.

Sorry for misunderstanding the mocking point. Now on Taka, when I said it was good I didn't mean he made a good decision (fair enough, I sure phrased it in the way you understood it.) I meant that it might have less ugly repercussions than if he stayed, which on second thought is a shortsighted view, since his equals in power the heroes are in the castle and big shots who know he's volatile and may be able to contain him are also in the castles of Garlark and Centostella. Despite all I said, I don't think Satsuki was pushy in dealing with him, remember if this guy wasn't a hero he would have been in prison if they didn't outright hang him, so she was extra kind to him. It's just that my entire view on him can be summarized as this: rather than think about his well being or how he solves his problems, they should have made sure the man-child with a nuke button doesn't press on it.

[Lolilulz33]

"Sorry for misunderstanding the mocking point."

No problem, this is a place to discuss.

" Rather than think about his well being or how he solves his problems, they should have made sure the man-child with a nuke button doesn't press on it."

Are you saying they should have let Takahisa do like he wants for "he doesn't press the nuke button" ? If yes that is quite dangerous.

[hihoperorin]

Originally Posted by Lolilulz33

"Sorry for misunderstanding the mocking point."

No problem, this is a place to discuss.

" Rather than think about his well being or how he solves his problems, they should have made sure the man-child with a nuke button doesn't press on it."

Are you saying they should have let Takahisa do like he wants for "he doesn't press the nuke button" ? If yes that is quite dangerous.

Quite the opposite in fact, I mean they should have made sure that the moment he tries something because Miharu rejected him, he gets put down. They should have put strict surveillance on him, for example after Miharu-sama (the sama is respect to her chadness) slapped him, Satsuki told him that he will be made to go home in a few days and to not leave his room in the castle, how do you know he wouldn't reject reality so much he starts rampaging with his hero powers? He already tried to kidnap a girl before. They should have considered him a dangerous individual and treated him as such, keeping close watch over him so that they stay up to date with what he's cooking and disable him the moment he tries anything funny.

Regrading whether he should have been left to do as he wants or not, what are we to even debate. Miharu rejected him already in vol 10, any decent person would have pulled back at that point, this guy should have simply moved on, this is not up for debate I think, she made herself clear, any more trying to get involved with her and he's sick in the head which we all know he is.

[Roberto1]

Originally Posted by jagt

Because another take of everything you have just said is that J.K. Rowling introduced Azkaban in volume 1 and didn't bother to explain about it until volume 3, that in the end is exactly the same result that just introducing Azkaban in volume 3 and explaining what it is at that same moment, and that is exactly what Kitayama and many other authors do, a different way of getting the same end result. Did you really think people can't realize that adding 2+3 gives the same result that adding 3+2?

it is not the same dude, it is not even remotely close to being the same, for example one piece, imagine if oda did the same shit yuri does, imagine that instead of introducing sea emperors and admirals literally years before using them, oda introduced them in the same chapter that he is going to use those characters, many people would say that oda took those characters out of his butt and they would be right, in this case yuri took all that bullshit about reis being a pope out of his stinky butt.

Originally Posted by jagt

Explain first how it is that you can explain this volume's problem and the magnitude of the error when you didn't read the book yourself.

i will eventually, but nothing's gonna change, i already identified this vols problem, (the lack of proper and logical planning of the development of the plot) reiss being a pope is just bullsit so fucking stupid, i just dont understand most of the forum tolerates it, for me it is a joke. Seriously, 22 previous volumes and the author did not give a single hint? ridiculous, in the next volume reis in addition to being a proxy ambassador, the pope of his own country, he is going to be an honorary knight from somewhere, a country that has never been talked about and you will not see anything wrong with it WTF

Originally Posted by jagt

Lastly, yes, you can criticize a book, of course you can, criticize that's it, but you have went past criticizing and have been already for a long time in the simple insult and mockery territoty, and to make things worse you do it without reading the books yourself.

It is the author who has pushed me to this point, his pathetic way of writing has fed me up, as I said before I didn't always hated the novel, there was a moment a long time ago when I liked the novel, besides when the author does something well I admit it(which is very rare,he usually just writes garbage), In the last volume I admitted that I liked the development that Celia had, because she had finally stopped being useless, so I would appreciate it if you stopped calling me "bot" or "troll", I don't hate the novel for no reason, I do it when the author fucking deserves it, and he deserves it often, but that's not my fault


You put a lot of emphasis on me reading the book, and I will eventually, when it's available, but that won't change anything, it won't change my criticism of the novel or am i supposed to read the last volume and suddenly realize that all this time i have been skipping pages in previous vols and i missed all the character development and lore?, the only problem in this LN is not only the lack of plot structure, you know that right?
the novel is rubbish, for a novel with 22 volumes the available lore and the character development is extremely poor , one of the worst I've ever read, or are you going to deny that too?

I'm beginning to believe that you're one of those fans who accept everything and don't question anything, is there something that yuri does that you don't like, or is he the perfect author who just wrote the perfect volume?

[InfinityDragonGod]

If Miharu ever trascends, then maybe it would be for the best if Takahisa forgets about both Rio and Miharu and maybe even return to Earth. Takahisa is shown as an example of someone who can't accept the rapid changes around him, supernatural or not. Especially being rejected by his childhood friend or her being in love with someone else.

Also I'm of the opinion that if Takahisa wants to be a better person then he and everybody should help to change his "environment". Sometimes will power can only take you so far. Just saying wanting to be better isn't enough. Takahisa needs to change his environment to make him focus on other things. Not sure much of the current circumstances because haven't read the book. The only things that come to mind are things like studying, socialize with others beside his Japanese friends and his family. An environment where he doesn't feel isolated but separated from Miharu and also a place where he doesn't have time to think about her, so he can broaden his horizon. Well something like that.

[linhle]

Anyone can spoil me why did Miharu slap Takatrash? What did he do or say to make her so angry?

[ivaannom]

Originally Posted by linhle

Anyone can spoil me why did Miharu slap Takatrash? What did he do or say to make her so angry?

He told Liliana that the reason she wants Takahisa to go back to centostella is because she is jealous about Miharu because she(Liliana) likes him and she doesn't want them to spend time together.

[Lolilulz33]

Originally Posted by nekodamashii

Quite the opposite in fact, I mean they should have made sure that the moment he tries something because Miharu rejected him, he gets put down. They should have put strict surveillance on him, for example after Miharu-sama (the sama is respect to her chadness) slapped him, Satsuki told him that he will be made to go home in a few days and to not leave his room in the castle, how do you know he wouldn't reject reality so much he starts rampaging with his hero powers? He already tried to kidnap a girl before. They should have considered him a dangerous individual and treated him as such, keeping close watch over him so that they stay up to date with what he's cooking and disable him the moment he tries anything funny.

Is it not what they have done since the beginning ? I mean Satsuki and Masato keep watch on Takahisa since he came to Galarc. When the both of them were training it is the spirit folk who watch over Miharu. During the dinner time, Satsuki maintained Takahisa far from Miharu and lastly when he snapped Satsuki orders him to return to Constentella and not coming back before giving up on Miharu. What could they do more ?

To be more precise about the slap :

Spoiler for spoiler:

Takahisa still does not want to train to learn more about his power, but it seems more like an excuse to visit Miharu and fix his relationships with her. The only problem he is scared to go alone because of his past background (the attempt of kidnapping in volume 10). He tries to come with Liliana but she refuses to let Masato.
Lastly they go to the mansion but Miharu is constantly surrounded by people (surely for protection), at last resort he tries to talk to Aki to force the opportunity until Sastuki came back and invite him for dinner. (Aki is disapointed with her brother and is about to cry, Miharu is unhappy.)
The dinner is pretty awkward when Sastuki mentions his return to Constentella and Takahisa says he does not want to go back. But globaly they have fun.
After that everyone return Satsuki and Masato have a talk with Takahisa where the both of them tell him they remarked Takahisa is more and more restless and obsessed with Miharu. Satsuki orders him to return quickly to Constentella and cool off his head. Takahisa refuses until Masato reveils that Liliana and Miharu are just behind the door and have heard the all discussion.
On the return in the castle grounds Takahisa begins his tantrum saying he has changed and Miharu should come with him in Constentella asking Aki and Liliana for help. But the two of them refuse to do the same mistake as before. Then he snapped and accuses Liliana of jealousy (forgetting it was her who took care of him since the summoning until he encounter his family and Miharu again).
Liliana is shocked and is about to cry when Masato yelled at his brother to stop being an asshole. He is ready to punch Takahisa but Miharu stopped him and slaps him quite hard. She angrily tell him he is a scumbag, she hates him and she does not want to see him never again. Takahisa begins to make excuses but it is useless, everyone give up on him, even Liliana who returns to Haruto's mansion with the group.

[hihoperorin]

Originally Posted by Lolilulz33

Is it not what they have done since the beginning ? I mean Satsuki and Masato keep watch on Takahisa since he came to Galarc. When the both of them were training it is the spirit folk who watch over Miharu. During the dinner time, Satsuki maintained Takahisa far from Miharu and lastly when he snapped Satsuki orders him to return to Constentella and not coming back before giving up on Miharu. What could they do more ?

Ah no. I'm not talking about them, I feel Satsuki, Masato, Liliana and even Miharu did all they could regarding how to handle Takahisa. I meant the authorities should have gotten more involved, the king should have had people from his intelligence bureau (no way his country doesn't have spies and the likes) keep watch on Takahisa. Again because the only reason he isn't in prison is because he is a hero. Basically what I'm saying is that the authorities should have handled him like the criminal he is.

[linhle]

Originally Posted by Lolilulz33

Is it not what they have done since the beginning ? I mean Satsuki and Masato keep watch on Takahisa since he came to Galarc. When the both of them were training it is the spirit folk who watch over Miharu. During the dinner time, Satsuki maintained Takahisa far from Miharu and lastly when he snapped Satsuki orders him to return to Constentella and not coming back before giving up on Miharu. What could they do more ?

To be more precise about the slap :

Spoiler for spoiler:

Takahisa still does not want to train to learn more about his power, but it seems more like an excuse to visit Miharu and fix his relationships with her. The only problem he is scared to go alone because of his past background (the attempt of kidnapping in volume 10). He tries to come with Liliana but she refuses to let Masato.
Lastly they go to the mansion but Miharu is constantly surrounded by people (surely for protection), at last resort he tries to talk to Aki to force the opportunity until Sastuki came back and invite him for dinner. (Aki is disapointed with her brother and is about to cry, Miharu is unhappy.)
The dinner is pretty awkward when Sastuki mentions his return to Constentella and Takahisa says he does not want to go back. But globaly they have fun.
After that everyone return Satsuki and Masato have a talk with Takahisa where the both of them tell him they remarked Takahisa is more and more restless and obsessed with Miharu. Satsuki orders him to return quickly to Constentella and cool off his head. Takahisa refuses until Masato reveils that Liliana and Miharu are just behind the door and have heard the all discussion.
On the return in the castle grounds Takahisa begins his tantrum saying he has changed and Miharu should come with him in Constentella asking Aki and Liliana for help. But the two of them refuse to do the same mistake as before. Then he snapped and accuses Liliana of jealousy (forgetting it was her who took care of him since the summoning until he encounter his family and Miharu again).
Liliana is shocked and is about to cry when Masato yelled at his brother to stop being an asshole. He is ready to punch Takahisa but Miharu stopped him and slaps him quite hard. She angrily tell him he is a scumbag, she hates him and she does not want to see him never again. Takahisa begins to make excuses but it is useless, everyone give up on him, even Liliana who returns to Haruto's mansion with the group.

Wow, I remember somewhere in last volume said Takahisa is fine as long as Rio is not involved. Turn out the catalyst is Miharu, not Rio

[hihoperorin]

More like the catalyst is Takahisa tbh.

[Lolilulz33]

Originally Posted by nekodamashii

Ah no. I'm not talking about them, I feel Satsuki, Masato, Liliana and even Miharu did all they could regarding how to handle Takahisa. I meant the authorities should have gotten more involved, the king should have had people from his intelligence bureau (no way his country doesn't have spies and the likes) keep watch on Takahisa. Again because the only reason he isn't in prison is because he is a hero. Basically what I'm saying is that the authorities should have handled him like the criminal he is.

Oh I understand better. Quite the idea, but don't forget Takahisa still remains a hero and have a lot of religious power. In 23 volumes I never see a soldier or the authorities refute or restrain a hero.
Of course I was quite hyped about Takahisa in this volume but more than that about the lore, I must say I am quite disapointed little information for the divine war, a holy country who appears from nowhere and seems to lead the church of six wise gods (the religion of the entire Strahl regions). Only a few clues but nothing with deep impact.
It is clear the "wise gods" have manipulated the outcome of the divine war : they hide the fact they were the culprit for invoking the demons, they used Lina (who was without a doubt the more cautious about space-time magic, and finally they use the great spirits to create the hero system. That explains also why the demi-humans are persecuted and why the spirit arts dissapear in Strahl.
Can anyone tell me in which volume we know Reiss did not forget about Rio ?

[hihoperorin]

*Of course I was quite hyped about Takahisa in this volume but more than that about the lore, I must say I am quite disapointed little information for the divine war, a holy country who appears from nowhere and seems to lead the church of six wise gods (the religion of the entire Strahl regions). Only a few clues but nothing with deep impact.*

The most annoying thing here is that in vol 24 the author could just make Rio and Sora turn around in floor 11 because: there is no door so this must be it and there are no clues in the labyrinth. Whereas the 2 went there to get information, a lore dump, to the place that was the origin of the war. If author makes them turn around then once again we (the readers) and them (dragon king party) are back to square 1. Lately it feels the only plot the author is invested in advancing and developing is any plot related to Rio's ex-pseudo-harem.

Wait a moment, how do the humans even remember the wise gods? I could understand the legend of Ryuuou that Sora propagated as dragon king wasn't mentioned as dragon king but the founder king of Karasuki. So why is it that nobody forgets the 6 wise?

*Can anyone tell me in which volume we know Reiss did not forget about Rio ?*

That's vol 21. Iirc Reiss himself said that his main goal from raiding Rodania was to check whether Rio would fight for his former comrades/against the rule or not.

[Lolilulz33]

Originally Posted by nekodamashii

Wait a moment, how do the humans even remember the wise gods? I could understand the legend of Ryuuou that Sora propagated as dragon king wasn't mentioned as dragon king but the founder king of Karasuki. So why is it that nobody forgets the 6 wise?

*Can anyone tell me in which volume we know Reiss did not forget about Rio ?*

That's vol 21. Iirc Reiss himself said that his main goal from raiding Rodania was to check whether Rio would fight for his former comrades/against the rule or not.

Well now you mention it I don't remember anyone in the Strahl region talking about the wise gods but the heroes represent them. And the spirit people even remember Lina saying the "seven wise god" in volume 2. I think no one forgets about the wise gods because their church was created just after the divine war by the familiars or even one of the god (Reiss is a real big deal) like Ruyo (the first dragon king) was not forgotten in Yagumo region thanks to Sora (even if he appears more like a hero than a transcendental being).
Thank you for your answer, so Reiss is at least a familiar. Or perhaps more a wise god with the little girl who manages the labyrinth as a familar ?
A labyrinth, quite a original idea...

[bellxais123]

Can I ask? Where to find the volume's images?

[hihoperorin]

If you mean vol 23?

Originally Posted by ooPeaToo

The illustrations vol 23

vol 23 : https://imgur.com/a/PSCVVfY

If you mean other vols then they're on this forum, in the discord and on the subreddit.

[Lolilulz33]

Originally Posted by bellxais123

Can I ask? Where to find the volume's images?

On the wiki
Here